PS1/PSone Mod Chips

Myrddin · 26-02-2011 06:46PM

o1s1n wrote: »

Just connected the PSone up to a tv..didn't realize that LCD screen had an AV out port on it too.

The game has two black boarders..so I am assuming the patch method does indeed convert the games to PAL 50hz. I've never played Einhander in 60hz so can't coment on the speed.

Probably best to stick with the boot disc for PSone models methinks!

Have you got a lead to go direct from your PS1 to the tv? Just to rule out the PAL lcd screen shaping the signal in any way...

I think the PSone is just picky, & these mm3 chips prob arn't the best choice really for PSone's. The ONEchip does direct boot on the One but like everything, hindsight is a wonderful thing. Any looking to collect chips etc get in touch

o1s1n · 26-02-2011 10:22PM

EnterNow wrote: »

Have you got a lead to go direct from your PS1 to the tv? Just to rule out the PAL lcd screen shaping the signal in any way...

I think the PSone is just picky, & these mm3 chips prob arn't the best choice really for PSone's. The ONEchip does direct boot on the One but like everything, hindsight is a wonderful thing. Any looking to collect chips etc get in touch

I used the boot disc to put the signal to NTSC. It appeared fine on the tv but the LCD screen rolls. So the LCD av output isn't being effected by the LCDs 50hz limitations thankfully.

Ultimately this'll be going in the candy cab so the LCD probably won't see much use in the long run.

Anyway, I burned off a few games (all of which I own :pac:) and they all run perfect. Well chuffed, cheers man

Myrddin · 26-02-2011 10:41PM

o1s1n wrote: »

I used the boot disc to put the signal to NTSC. It appeared fine on the tv but the LCD screen rolls. So the LCD av output isn't being effected by the LCDs 50hz limitations thankfully.

Ultimately this'll be going in the candy cab so the LCD probably won't see much use in the long run.

Anyway, I burned off a few games (all of which I own :pac:) and they all run perfect. Well chuffed, cheers man

Forgive my confusion

but does that just mean the Sony LCD screen can't take NTSC? Good news that it's all cool on your tv.

Are they all PAL games you done?

o1s1n · 26-02-2011 10:57PM

It's something similar to the new Nomad LCDs you installed..they only seem to support one signal frequency.

As for games - I tried a PAL Rapid Reload, which booted fine on its own without any need for boot discs or anything. (Similar to that PAL Einhander)

Then an NTSC Tomba and an NTSC Thrill Kill - both of which just froze on the Playstation startup logo..but with a boot disc they worked grand. Full screen and full speed.

So that's how I intend to go on with it anyway. The boot disc isn't any hassle at all..it's not like I'm doing a swap trick or anything. Just put the boot disc in, select PAL or NTSC and then put the game in.

CiDeRmAn · 28-02-2011 05:56PM

If its ok, Kerbdog will hopefully be dropping in to you tomorrow a PSone, for modding, a PS1 (my market find) also for modding, a PSone, broken, for parts for you, and my Asian MD for 60hz switching or whatever it is you do to make it play Thunderforce IV again!
Is that ok?

Myrddin · 28-02-2011 05:59PM

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

If its ok, Kerbdog will hopefully be dropping in to you tomorrow a PSone, for modding, a PS1 (my market find) also for modding, a PSone, broken, for parts for you, and my Asian MD for 60hz switching or whatever it is you do to make it play Thunderforce IV again!
Is that ok?

If he ordered two chips then yep I've no issues with that, otherwise someone's down a chip. Maybe someone doesn't want one he can use as nobody seems to have bothered asking about them.

Myrddin · 01-03-2011 11:49AM

Retr0's PS1 on modding day. Amongst the loose screws I found in it, there was melted candle wax, a reciept from RAGE for Goldeneye64, Legend of Dragoon, & Fifa 11.

CiDeRmAn · 01-03-2011 12:34PM

Did you find the other receipt of his for the RF and composite cables for his consoles?
Apparently its just how he rolls, whatever that means!

Myrddin · 01-03-2011 12:49PM

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Did you find the other receipt of his for the RF and composite cables for his consoles?
Apparently its just how he rolls, whatever that means!

I did actually, maybe he's talking about picture roll? :P

pdbhp · 01-03-2011 12:52PM

EnterNow wrote: »

I did actually, maybe he's talking about Jumbo Breakfast roll? :P

FYP

Myrddin · 01-03-2011 12:54PM

pdbhp wrote: »

FYP

Retr0? Eat a manly thing like that? Unlikely man

Retr0gamer · 01-03-2011 01:54PM

I'd eat one but no ketchup for me, can't stand the stuff.

Atavan-Halen · 01-03-2011 02:02PM

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I'd eat one but no ketchup for me, can't stand the stuff.

Ketchup is the most evil substance known to man. I have irrational fears of it. And sponges

Myrddin · 01-03-2011 02:16PM

atavan-halen wrote: »

Ketchup is the most evil substance known to man. I have irrational fears of it. And sponges

So a sponge soaked in Ketchup would be a horrific thought to you?

o1s1n · 01-03-2011 02:22PM

atavan-halen wrote: »

Ketchup is the most evil substance known to man. I have irrational fears of it. And sponges

You don't like ketchup? But how do you eat burgers?

Enternow - I did a bit of testing with that patch-it tool. Interesting results.

It seems that Patch-it ONLY changes the boot region screen on the game. So if you patch an NTSC game to PAL with it, the boot screen for the game will be changed to 'Sony Entertainment Europe' - but the game itself stays in NTSC and at 60hz, full screen and full speed.

This works with some games, others it doesn't. Thunderforce V and R-Type Delta - perfect. Both now work without the need of a boot disc and are in 60hz.

Soukyugurentai starts up perfect, goes to the menu..but nothing happens when the level is meant to load. Interestingly enough, the music keeps going. It'll work fine when left unpatched with a boot disc.

Two out of three isn't bad. Fingers crossed it keeps up with that ratio!

Retr0gamer · 01-03-2011 02:35PM

o1s1n wrote: »

You don't like ketchup? But how do you eat burgers?

Without ketchup but if you have hamburger relish then yes please! I used to be a really fussy eater until recently and it's ketchups fault. I can't stand the stuff and it's too sweet and I thought all tomato based sauces tasted like ketchup. Then I discovered that proper tomato sauce is one of the most delicious things ever.

**** you ketchup for keeping me away from pizza for so long!!!

o1s1n wrote: »

Soukyugurentai starts up perfect, goes to the menu..but nothing happens when the level is meant to load. Interestingly enough, the music keeps going. It'll work fine when left unpatched with a boot disc.

I know you're problem here. Soukyugurentai is screaming out to be played on a Saturn not a PS1 and is refusing to boot. Strange it didn't happen with Thunderforce V.... maybe because it isn't that good on either platform.

o1s1n · 01-03-2011 02:49PM

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Without ketchup but if you have hamburger relish then yes please! I used to be a really fussy eater until recently and it's ketchups fault. I can't stand the stuff and it's too sweet and I thought all tomato based sauces tasted like ketchup. Then I discovered that proper tomato sauce is one of the most delicious things ever.

**** you ketchup for keeping me away from pizza for so long!!!

Do you wear a blouse with that relish? ya big girl. Real men eat ketchup..you know why? Because it's red and looks like blood. You can pretend the food is still alive.

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I know you're problem here. Soukyugurentai is screaming out to be played on a Saturn not a PS1 and is refusing to boot. Strange it didn't happen with Thunderforce V.... maybe because it isn't that good on either platform.

Thunderfoce V is a pretty ugly game. Haven't played it long enough to form any opinions yet though.

I knew you'd say that about Souky, so in preparation I gave it a long play through. And you know what? You're wrong

Visually the sprites and backgrounds aren't anywhere near as nice as the Saturn version (to be expected)..they're the same but it's like someone put a low res filter on them. It's downright ugly in parts. If it were just a beauty contest then you're right.

However, gameplay wise, it's feels almost identical. There are a couple of spots with slowdown that I don't think are there on the Saturn version, but other than that it's the same. It's an absolutely stunning game on the Saturn and that is the preferred way of playing it, but the ps1 port is by no means a bad game. It's just being held back by ps1 harware limitations.

Myrddin · 01-03-2011 02:55PM

o1s1n wrote: »

Do you wear a blouse with that relish? ya big girl. Real men eat ketchup...

Well, tbh I think now's as good a time as any to remind you who your argiuing with here...

I think it's abuntantly clear now

:D (Sorry Retr0, but the oppurtunity was just too good, it may never have come again :P)

pdbhp · 01-03-2011 02:56PM

EnterNow wrote: »

Well, tbh I think now's as good a time as any to remind you who your argiuing with here...

I think it's abuntantly clear now :D (Sorry Retr0, but the oppurtunity was just too good, it may never have come again :P)

Just quotin' cos it's fun!!!! OHHHH YEAHH!!:pac:

Retr0gamer · 01-03-2011 03:02PM

o1s1n wrote: »

I knew you'd say that about Souky, so in preparation I gave it a long play through. And you know what? You're wrong

Ah I was being pedantic. The PS1 version is a great port but the Saturn version is arcade perfect.

Thunderforve V actually has new levels on the PS1 version but it's really really ugly in comparison, much more so than the saturn version. Still playable though.

o1s1n · 01-03-2011 04:36PM

God damn it, I thought I had this solved..apparantly not.

When I was booting games up, the colours were off, purple and greens. I wiggled the cable and it solved this. So I thought the LCD AV port must be dodgy.

Continued burning games. Happy days.

Just decided to remove the LCD to stop the colour problem - it didnt. To make matters worse, the 'fixed' colour when I wiggled the cable wasn't fixed, it just wasn't as off as when it originally booted...creating the illusion it was fixed.

But on closer inspection and after playing more games the colour is still way off.

Seems to me that the a PAL PSone doesn't display colours in 60hz properly.

Myrddin · 01-03-2011 04:37PM

o1s1n wrote: »

God damn it, I thought I had this solved..apparantly not.

When I was booting games up, the colours were off, purple and greens. I wiggled the cable and it solved this. So I thought the LCD AV port must be dodgy.

Continued burning games. Happy days.

Just decided to remove the LCD to stop the colour problem - it didnt. To make matters worse, the 'fixed' colour when I wiggled the cable wasn't fixed, it just wasn't as off as when it originally booted...creating the illusion it was fixed.

But on closer inspection and after playing more games the colour is still way off.

Seems to me that the a PAL PSone doesn't display colours in 60hz properly.

I do remember seeing something about a 'Colour fix' whatever that meant? Also, could it be a dodgey cable at all?

Retr0gamer · 01-03-2011 04:40PM

o1s1n wrote: »

Seems to me that the a PAL PSone doesn't display colours in 60hz properly.

PS1 consoles definitely display 60Hz properly. However not so sure about PSone consoles, might be different for them.

o1s1n · 01-03-2011 04:45PM

I was thinking dodgy cable alright, boot it boots PAL fine. So I tried it through the PS1 jamma adapter which has it's own cable - same deal.

I also read about the colour fix, but I think what people are on about is 60hz displaying in black and white on a PAL tv.

Myrddin · 01-03-2011 04:48PM

o1s1n wrote: »

I was thinking dodgy cable alright, boot it boots PAL fine. So I tried it through the PS1 jamma adapter which has it's own cable - same deal.

I also read about the colour fix, but I think what people are on about is 60hz displaying in black and white on a PAL tv.

Hmm, strange so. Is this with the boot disc o1s1n? I think the boot disc menu has something about a colour correction fix, hang on I'll throw up a link.

Edit - damn, not sure which one I used. It has a light blue menu screen, try some of these while I search for it - http://consolecopyworld.com/psx/psx_utils_bootcd.shtml

Edit 2 - It might be the 2nd last one on the list.

o1s1n · 01-03-2011 04:53PM

I'm using one of those boot discs and can't remember which either

It also has a light blue screen.

Just noticed there's a specific one for the PSone. I'll give that a go now and see if it helps.

o1s1n · 01-03-2011 05:50PM

Okay, just deleted my previous post as I thought I had solved it but I hadn't.

It comes down to this - NTSC games boot in the wrong colour.

If I take the scart cable out the back of the ps1 and insert it again while the game is running, the colours fix.

So what I think is happening is the boot disc starts in PAL...the game then changes to NTSC...but NTSC isn't being detected properly by RGB and changing over. It then must be detected when I reinsert the cable.

Weird!

Myrddin · 01-03-2011 06:17PM

o1s1n wrote: »

Okay, figured it out finally. Part of the problem is that I'd spent so long analysing games booted in NTSC with the wrong colour - that when a game was finally in the correct colours I literally couldn't tell if it was correct or not.

I had to boot GDarius, Thunderforce V and R Type Delta up in an emulator just to confirm the feckin colours!

Anyway, here's what was wrong -

On the boot disc there's an option for NTSC or PAL. This is NOT to select the region of the disc...or the desired output frequency. What I gather is it's to select the region of the console itself.

As a result I'd been selecting NTSC and it was giving me skewed colours. What confused me even more is that if I plugged the AV cable out of the console and back in again - the colours were corrected. (leading me to believe the problem was with the connection)

To confuse matters even MORE, the patch method I was trying above was buggering up the colours in the same way. So what I gather is that's somehing similar to NTSC being selected on the boot disc.

Summed up in one simple line -

If you select PAL on the boot disc then it'll start up in the correct colours.

Why oh WHY I couldn't have just done that rather then run around in circles over complicating this to the max, I just don't know! :eek:

Ok, here's the challenge. Sum up for everyone what's involved in making the PSone (PAL) boot NTSC games in full screen, fulle colour @ 60Hz...because I'm baffled

o1s1n · 01-03-2011 06:24PM

EnterNow wrote: »

Ok, here's the challenge. Sum up for everyone what's involved in making the PSone (PAL) boot NTSC games in full screen, fulle colour @ 60Hz...because I'm baffled

Hah. I deleted that post because I made an error - when you select PAL in the boot disc menu it does indeeed boot the game in PAL too. The reason I didn't notice the black boarders and thought it was in 60hz is because I was playing Raiden DX which is vertically orientated.

So yeah, as in my reviewed post above (!) I think it's something to do with the NTSC colours not being detected by RGB..as reinserting the AV cable fixes the colours.

o1s1n · 01-03-2011 06:36PM

Argh! There's an afternoon wasted! It was my piece of **** CRT!

I did the oul last ditch, 'I'll try it in another tv' approach and the ****er worked perfectly first time in 60hz.

So in summary, to save anyone this **** sandwich headache -

Patch your NTSC ps1 images to PAL with Patch-it

Dont try it on a piece of **** Black Diamond CRT.

Enjoy them full screen, full speed at 60hz without the need of a boot disc.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to blow the **** out of stuff.

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