anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

Nodin · 25-02-2011 07:07PM

lugha wrote: »

Certainly the killings and bombings by PIRA get raised more by their critics which of (.......)e than you can be a little bit pregnant.*

It's somewhat of a contradiction, but there you go. It was felt to be nesseccary to take up arms in the light of violence directed against the nationalist community. While it would have been wonderful to call a time out for a round table discussion, a debate and a referendum, thats not the way clandestine organisations can work and function if they want to survive.

The Brigadier · 25-02-2011 07:07PM

Dotsey wrote: »

I dont disagree about centre ground, I'm regard myself a socialist myself but I think a left leaning government is always better than a right leaning government.
SF arent a bunch of left wing extremists as people like to alledge. Joe Higgins is far more left wing, SF are as much left wing extremists as FG and the former PD's are/were right wing extremists

I would disagree with you on that. It is an interesting topic though.

25-02-2011 07:10PM

The Brigadier wrote: »

I don't see them pushing it much, do you? I am as much in favour of progress as anyone else.

The point is Sinn Fein still give glory to murderers and while they do it is a fair target for criticism.

You're probably a FF supporter

beeno67 · 25-02-2011 07:11PM

Nodin wrote: »

By setting an unacheivable goal in this election - overtaking FF, for instance - that allows people to dismiss a SF gain of any shape or size.

That is the whole point. It was unachievable because SF are so massively unpopular. But SF was stupid enough to think it could be done

dabestman1 · 25-02-2011 07:12PM

beeno67 wrote: »

8-9 would be a disaster for SF.

i don't think so, just keeping my expectations low because the media will be itching to have a go at them as well as other SF bashers

25-02-2011 07:12PM

beeno67 wrote: »

Of course they were. It was widely reported throughout January.

Post a few links will you.

I'm not calling you a liar. It seems to have slipped under my radar

The Brigadier · 25-02-2011 07:12PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

You're probably a FF supporter

Nope, not at all. I have never voted for FF

In fact it will probably amuse you to know that my last Number 1 went to Tony Gregory.

gsxr1 · 25-02-2011 07:15PM

Good Luck today SF.

beeno67 · 25-02-2011 07:18PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Post a few links will you.

I'm not calling you a liar. It seems to have slipped under my radar

I am sure you won't find any quotes from SF saying that as they are pretending they would lead the government (like all political parties). It wqas widely reported that SF could lead the opposition and SF in local areas and on door steps encouraged that notion.

lugha · 25-02-2011 07:18PM

Nodin wrote: »

It was felt to be nesseccary to take up arms in the light of violence directed against the nationalist community.

I have repeatedly made clear that it is not the defense of catholic communities that I am referring to. It was the disregard of the vast majority of nationalists who wanted to bring a UI about , but only through peaceful means.

PatrickD32 · 25-02-2011 07:24PM

Yes to the question

ultain · 25-02-2011 07:25PM

The Brigadier wrote: »

Sinn Fein are the nasty party and there are valid comparisons with their approach and that of the BNP in the UK and, yes, the Nazis in Germany.

good man :rolleyes:..

celtictiger32 · 25-02-2011 07:33PM

lugha wrote: »

I have repeatedly made clear that it is not the defense of catholic communities that I am referring to. It was the disregard of the vast majority of nationalists who wanted to bring a UI about , but only through peaceful means.

they couldnt do anything through peaceful means as i have said before 'have you never heard of gerrymandering'

Hannibal · 25-02-2011 07:34PM

The Brigadier wrote: »

Sinn Fein are the nasty party and there are valid comparisons with their approach and that of the BNP in the UK and, yes, the Nazis in Germany.

Sinn Fein are the most anti secterian party in Ireland by the way. The whole provisional movement came out of the ill treatment of catholics in the north and those days are behind us.
The BNP and Nazi party are extreme right wing and religious fundamentalists like FG and the DUP have more in common with them.

25-02-2011 07:35PM

beeno67 wrote: »

SF set out their stall as possible leaders of the opposition. They have failed utterly.

beeno67 wrote: »

Of course they were. It was widely reported throughout January.

beeno67 wrote: »

That is the whole point. It was unachievable because SF are so massively unpopular. But SF was stupid enough to think it could be done

beeno67 wrote: »

I am sure you won't find any quotes from SF saying that as they are pretending they would lead the government (like all political parties). It wqas widely reported that SF could lead the opposition and SF in local areas and on door steps encouraged that notion.

Looks like someone is backtracking.

If you are going to throw out posts with such crazy claims you should be able to back them up with links and quotes.

"Widely reported" doesn't mean f-all.

It was "widely reported" that the IMF weren't coming to Ireland remember

You've been exposed, didn't take long.

lugha · 25-02-2011 07:41PM

celtictiger32 wrote: »

they couldnt do anything through peaceful means as i have said before 'have you never heard of gerrymandering'

There was none of this in the South. And even in the north, more nationalists favoured the SDLP until well after the ceasefire.

celtictiger32 · 25-02-2011 07:57PM

lugha wrote: »

There was none of this in the South. And even in the north, more nationalists favoured the SDLP until well after the ceasefire.

was it not the north that yourself and nodin were talking about, when defence of catholic homes etc. was mentioned, or was that the other time the british establishment murdered and pillaged catholics down here.

i was also under the impression that support for SF was higher during that time it did then switch to the sdlp, and presently switched back again to SF.

PauloMN · 25-02-2011 07:58PM

Dotsey wrote: »

Sinn Fein are the most anti secterian party in Ireland by the way. The whole provisional movement came out of the ill treatment of catholics in the north and those days are behind us.
The BNP and Nazi party are extreme right wing and religious fundamentalists like FG and the DUP have more in common with them.

Comparing FG and the DUP in terms of religious fundamentalism is ridiculous.

Funnily enough, one of SF's target demographic groups - taxi drivers - has some of the most racist people I have ever met.

Hannibal · 25-02-2011 08:05PM

PauloMN wrote: »

Comparing FG and the DUP in terms of religious fundamentalism is ridiculous.

Funnily enough, one of SF's target demographic groups - taxi drivers - has some of the most racist people I have ever met.

When you're livelyhood has been taken over by "blacks" coupled with a recession and less people using taxis they vent their anger at "blacks" who I have to admit have Dublin city centre swamped with taxis. A lot of the African drivers have had their taxis set up and paid for by the social welfare and any I've been in had a shocking lack of local geographical knowledge. You have to remember that a lot of the Irish drivers paid large sums for their plates before deregulation. So although wrong its understandable. Most taxi drivers are union members anyway and the unions have been advising people in a veiled way to vote Labour actually

lugha · 25-02-2011 08:05PM

celtictiger32 wrote: »

was it not the north that yourself and nodin were talking about, when defence of catholic homes etc. was mentioned, or was that the other time the british establishment murdered and pillaged catholics down here.

Short answer, no. PIRA claimed to be the government of all Ireland.

celtictiger32 wrote: »

i was also under the impression that support for SF was higher during that time it did then switch to the sdlp, and presently switched back again to SF.

Even if this were true, they still had nothing like the support of a majority of Irish people, demonstrably so in the south. But they carried on regardless.

lugha · 25-02-2011 08:11PM

Dotsey wrote: »

When you're livelyhood has been taken over by "blacks" coupled with a recession and less people using taxis they vent their anger at "blacks" who I have to admit have Dublin city centre swamped with taxis. A lot of the African drivers have had their taxis set up and paid for by the social welfare and any I've been in had a shocking lack of local geographical knowledge.

Charming! And this from the lad who tells us how un-sectarian SF ARE!

Do they make up for it with other vices?

celtictiger32 · 25-02-2011 08:12PM

lugha wrote: »

Short answer, no. PIRA claimed to be the government of all Ireland.

Even if this were true, they still had nothing like the support of a majority of Irish people, demonstrably so in the south. But they carried on regardless.

why who said they had??

Souljacker_ · 25-02-2011 08:18PM

Dotsey wrote: »

Sinn Fein are the most anti secterian party in Ireland by the way. The whole provisional movement came out of the ill treatment of catholics in the north and those days are behind us.
The BNP and Nazi party are extreme right wing and religious fundamentalists like FG and the DUP have more in common with them.

FG are comparable to the DUP in terms of religious fundamentalism and right??? the fact that you need to view the election in the south with Northern markers is the only note worthy thing is this post.

Nationalism, the life blood of SF counts for little in the Republic.

LordSutch · 25-02-2011 08:19PM

danbohan wrote: »

really, you live in n ireland in 70s and 80s did you ?, thought not

Well I did, and I have posted my experience of Sinn Fein in post#2509.

Hannibal · 25-02-2011 08:19PM

lugha wrote: »

Short answer, no. PIRA claimed to be the government of all Ireland.

As the Second Dáil was the last Dáil to be democratically elected by all the people of Ireland rather than merely those within the partitioned 26 county state in the south, it is regarded by many Irish republicans to be the last legitimately elected Dáil. In December 1938, a group of seven people, who had been elected to the Second Dáil in 1921, met with the IRA Army Council under Sean Russell. At this meeting, the seven signed over what they believed was the authority of the Government of Dáil Éireann to the Army Council until such a time as a new Dáil could once again be democratically elected by all the people of Ireland in all 32 counties. Hence, the IRA Army Council perceived itself to be the legitimate government of the Irish Republic.

Hannibal · 25-02-2011 08:21PM

Souljacker_ wrote: »

Nationalism, the life blood of SF counts for little in the Republic.

Sinn Fein are a Republican party not a nationalist party. Big difference

eastbono · 25-02-2011 08:25PM

Did not vote for the shinners

Souljacker_ · 25-02-2011 08:25PM

Dotsey wrote: »

Sinn Fein are a Republican party not a nationalist party. Big difference

FF are a republican party in name too.. Their reason for exsistance was and is a united Ireland... any political stances they hold beyond that are wholely and entirely secondary. Not a criticism, just a fact.

Republicanism and nationalism are not mutually exclusive

LordSutch · 25-02-2011 08:31PM

Dotsey wrote: »

Sinn Fein are the most anti secterian party in Ireland by the way.

Unless you happen to be Protestant, Unionist, & British!

Dotsey wrote: »

The BNP and Nazi party are extreme right wing and religious fundamentalists like FG and the DUP have more in common with them.

Bloody hell, that last sentence is hilarious :rolleyes:

Well I'd put SF/IRA in the same bracket as the Nazi's, but Fine Gael & the DUP both being religious fundamentalists? is just silly, but funny

Nodin · 25-02-2011 08:33PM

LordSutch wrote: »

Unless you happen to be Protestant, Unionist, & British!

Bloody hell, that last sentence is hilarious :rolleyes:

Well I'd put SF/IRA in the same bracket as the Nazi's, but Fine Gael & the DUP both being religious fundamentalists? is just silly, but funny

You're saying the DUP aren't religous fundamentalists..........?

anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

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