Why is Enda the man to take us forward?

UglyBolloxFace · 23-02-2011 08:24PM

sanbrafyffe wrote: »

ya because the ffparty got us into it,thats why and they had to approve it along with labour and the greens etc,QUOTE=UglyBolloxFace;70827412]You do realise that Fine Gael were in favour of the bail-out/IMF arse-rape of Ireland, don't you?

No..just no.
The Fine Gael party did not have to support nor endorse the IMF bill - at all.
FF and the Greens were in government - they were they one's one had to get it through.
Fine Gael did not have to support it at all, but they chose to. So don't give me that crap that they were forced to "coz a dem finneh faahlers".

My name is URL · 23-02-2011 08:29PM

mossyc123 wrote: »

Wrong. wrong, wrong.

Clue: Divorce Referendum 1995

I read a story in the Irish Catholic a few weeks ago which stated that Fine Gael support the public funding of denominational schools.. that article seems to have miraculously disappeared now though - http://www.google.ie/search?q=%22Fine+Gael+supports+public+funding+of+denominational+schools%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a

It's mentioned here too

They don't support same sex marriages or reforms in abortion laws, thus pandering to the more devout of the electorate.

ascanbe · 23-02-2011 08:34PM

Do we really want someone to take us forward? We were 'going forward' pretty much non-stop for the last decade and look where it got us.

zuroph · 23-02-2011 08:35PM

Brenireland wrote: »

sorry maybe it was the wrong word to use, but don't you maybe reckon she had a point in what she was saying?.

Also as FG have been saying is their 5 point plan with regards Jobs/The Budget/Public Sector/Health/And new political system,are these issues not the more important issues and what our country Needs.

No, marriage has nothing to do with kids. it is two adults entering into a legal union, and TBH its an outdated tradition. People who are infertile are allowed marry. what someone else does in their own home has no effect on others.

I said I WILL be voting for them, as I feel they will be in the best position to make the difficult cuts. The 5 point plan is spin. For example, "jobs"... only effects 12% of the population who are unemployed. They've just taken 5 buzz words for elections and gone with them. the real test will be their ability to implement public sector cuts and reform, something which labour simply couldnt due to the union ties.

TashaMonster · 23-02-2011 08:37PM

Brenireland wrote: »

sorry maybe it was the wrong word to use, but don't you maybe reckon she had a point in what she was saying?.

A point in what she was saying ???

So the point of marriage is to propagate children! If that's the case then it should be illegal for infertile people to marry.

squod · 23-02-2011 08:50PM

Financial Times editorial today says we're making the wrong choice by voting for FG. I happen to agree. It's policies are almost identical to that of the outgoing government and, as I say constantly on here, they will just install their own cronies in place of FFs.

Brenireland · 23-02-2011 08:51PM

TashaMonster wrote: »

A point in what she was saying ???

So the point of marriage is to propagate children! If that's the case then it should be illegal for infertile people to marry.

But that's a health related issue,two men/female's getting married on the other hand....well that might be the point,as it would be impossible to,as you say propagate,maybe that's what she was saying?

squod · 23-02-2011 08:54PM

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

No..just no.
The Fine Gael party did not have to support nor endorse the IMF bill - at all.
FF and the Greens were in government - they were they one's one had to get it through.
Fine Gael did not have to support it at all, but they chose to. So don't give me that crap that they were forced to "coz a dem finneh faahlers".

That's the exact opposite of the truth and you know it. The FG policy was and is the same as FF. FF committed the greatest bank robbery ever when they bailed Anglo. FG want to drive the get-away car.

mossyc123 · 23-02-2011 08:56PM

My name is URL wrote: »

I read a story in the Irish Catholic a few weeks ago which stated that Fine Gael support the public funding of denominational schools.. that article seems to have miraculously disappeared now though - http://www.google.ie/search?q=%22Fine+Gael+supports+public+funding+of+denominational+schools%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a

It's mentioned here too

They don't support same sex marriages or reforms in abortion laws, thus pandering to the more devout of the electorate.

Personally I would consider neither FF or FG to be pro or anti Catholic Church.

FF, despite its obvious shortcomings, is one of the finest parties in the Western World at maintaining a view close to the majority on both major and minor social issues.

If you find public opinion turning toward or against something, there you'll find FF.

FG are slightly tainted with the older conservative element for bringing in Divorce in 1995 and would still be viewed suspiciously among this part of the electorate as pro-abortion.

Ps, just incase you don't know... you don't have to be a religious zealot to oppose Abortion or Gay Marriage

jimthemental · 23-02-2011 09:02PM

Why is Enda the man to take us forward?

The answer is quite simple, he's not as ignorant and pigheaded as Cowen so he's less likely to take us from behind. That being said I'd rather FG labour coalition over a FG majority.

jimthemental · 23-02-2011 09:04PM

mossyc123 wrote: »

Personally I would consider neither FF or FG to be pro or anti Catholic Church.

FF, despite its obvious shortcomings, is one of the finest parties in the Western World at maintaining a view close to the majority on both major and minor social issues.

If you find public opinion turning toward or against something, there you'll find FF.

FG are slightly tainted with the older conservative element for bringing in Divorce in 1995 and would still be viewed suspiciously among this part of the electorate as pro-abortion.

Ps, just incase you don't know... you don't have to be a religious zealot to oppose Abortion or Gay Marriage

Vote James Reilly and get a free abortion :pac:

Brenireland · 23-02-2011 09:05PM

jimthemental wrote: »

Why is Enda the man to take us forward?

The answer is quite simple, he's not as ignorant and pigheaded as Cowen so he's less likely to take us from behind. That being said I'd rather FG labour coalition over a FG majority.

Labour?lol

pow wow · 23-02-2011 09:08PM

Because everyone knows that it's a schoolteacher you really need to lead a country out of recession :rolleyes: I actually f-ing despair for the country.

Brenireland · 23-02-2011 09:12PM

pow wow wrote: »

Because everyone knows that it's a schoolteacher you really need to lead a country out of recession :rolleyes: I actually f-ing despair for the country.

Why does his profession make a difference?,That was a pointless point to make.
Sure their shoe shop assistants running in this election.

pow wow · 23-02-2011 09:16PM

Brenireland wrote: »

Why does his profession make a difference?,That was a pointless point to make.
Sure their shoe shop assistants running in this election.

His 'profession' makes every difference. As does how he acquired his seat in the first place.

Brenireland · 23-02-2011 09:23PM

pow wow wrote: »

His 'profession' makes every difference. As does how he acquired his seat in the first place.

Sorry but what you were saying was pointless.

If anything Enda will be a good Leader as he will be aware of the issues affecting people on the ground!,We don't need rocket Scientist's,the point was rubbish.

Really do in all fairness,Bizarre statement.

UglyBolloxFace · 23-02-2011 09:31PM

Brenireland wrote: »

Sorry but what you were saying was pointless.

If anything Enda will be a good Leader as he will be aware of the issues affecting people on the ground!,We don't need rocket Scientist's,the point was rubbish.

Really do in all fairness,Bizarre statement.

"On the ground"? Are you a politician in disguise?

mossyc123 · 23-02-2011 09:33PM

pow wow wrote: »

As does how he acquired his seat in the first place.

Through a democratic election.

Anything wrong with that?!

Hank_Jones · 23-02-2011 09:34PM

Richard Bruton in a politician in my constituency and with everything that he does within politics, he is the only politician I have ever had come to my door asking if there was anything he could do for me, without it being election time.

This has happened on multiple occasions.

To contrast that with Ivor Callely, who was the FF mainstay within the constituency for a long, long time, who was quick on the scene if there was a chance for a photo opportunity, but not much else.

Would be interested in knowing how many politicians have called to your doors outside of election time and multiple times at that...

pow wow · 23-02-2011 09:36PM

Brenireland wrote: »

Sorry but what you were saying was pointless.

If anything Enda will be a good Leader as he will be aware of the issues affecting people on the ground!,We don't need rocket Scientist's,the point was rubbish.

Really do in all fairness,Bizarre statement.

The point is a valid one. That's the beauty of an opinion.

Brenireland · 23-02-2011 09:37PM

pow wow wrote: »

The point is a valid one. That's the beauty of an opinion.

it's not valid do.

pow wow · 23-02-2011 09:37PM

mossyc123 wrote: »

Through a democratic election.

Anything wrong with that?!

Political dynasties undermine the 'fair' part of democracy.

pow wow · 23-02-2011 09:39PM

Brenireland wrote: »

it's not valid do.

I'm sure I'm very bothered about your opinion on that. :rolleyes:

Brenireland · 23-02-2011 09:41PM

pow wow wrote: »

I'm sure I'm very bothered about your opinion on that. :rolleyes:

ninebeanrows · 23-02-2011 09:44PM

No other choice.

Labour has no paper or news channel/ radio channel behind it like FG and FF.

With a platform for Labour they could achieve great things.

But people see them tied to the unions and every media tears into them.

It's simple really.

zuroph · 23-02-2011 09:45PM

Hank_Jones wrote: »

Would be interested in knowing how many politicians have called to your doors outside of election time and multiple times at that...

I see Willie o Dea about once every 3 months.

mossyc123 · 23-02-2011 09:48PM

pow wow wrote: »

Political dynasties undermine the 'fair' part of democracy.

Do they now?!

I suppose you want to put some restrictions on this practice?

You can't stop anyone from running for election.

When they are voted in under our system thats it, the people have had there say.

Doctors sons become Doctors.

Carpenters sons become Carpenters.

It's the way of the world.

My name is URL · 23-02-2011 10:34PM

mossyc123 wrote: »

Personally I would consider neither FF or FG to be pro or anti Catholic Church.

Yes, they are both very centrist, but they do both oppose certain reforms regarding issues which are held in high esteem by the older/Christian/conservative people.

Ps, just incase you don't know... you don't have to be a religious zealot to oppose Abortion or Gay Marriage

Which other groups oppose gay marriage? The only argument I ever hear against reforms is in some way tied into either religion or a personal opinion that it just isn't natural. Lots of things aren't natural though, and are still existent because they make sense economically or socially. Granted abortion is a more widely divisive issue, the arguments against it usually still boil down to religious or personal opinions which don't make sense on a socio-economic level.

Brenireland · 23-02-2011 10:58PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Yes, they are both very centrist, but they do both oppose certain reforms regarding issues which are held in high esteem by the older/Christian/conservative people.

Which other groups oppose gay marriage? The only argument I ever hear against reforms is in some way tied into either religion or a personal opinion that it just isn't natural. Lots of things aren't natural though, and are still existent because they make sense economically or socially. Granted abortion is a more widely divisive issue, the arguments against it usually still boil down to religious or personal opinions which don't make sense on a socio-economic level.

But in fairness those whether they be religious or not who have that opinion,are possibly indeed right.

My name is URL · 23-02-2011 11:12PM

Brenireland wrote: »

But in fairness those whether they be religious or not who have that opinion,are possibly indeed right.

In your own opinion, how?

Why is Enda the man to take us forward?

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