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Do you believe that the communion bread is the actual body of christ?

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    28064212 wrote: »
    You got that far? Well done. I only got as far as

    when my mind shut down before I got contaminated by the stupidity contained in that post
    I must admit that the well rounded and thought out arguements being put forward here are swaying me and I may return to the bosom of the Church.
    But I have a quandry. Im a vegetarian so will I be able to take holy communion in good conscience as a veggie?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Brenireland


    I must admit that the well rounded and thought out arguements being put forward here are swaying me and I may return to the bosom of the Church.
    But I have a quandry. Im a vegetarian so will I be able to take holy communion in good conscience as a veggie?

    :rolleyes::( /My Answer is Yes,but now I'll head I've defended my creator.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,450 ✭✭✭Morag


    May the Gods soften your heart and open your eyes Brenireland.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Brenireland


    Sharrow wrote: »
    May the Gods soften your heart and open your eyes Brenireland.

    Only One God,and he has softened my heart & given me the ability to pray for those in need of hope.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,406 ✭✭✭Pompey Magnus


    It is not God who created the Greed and the Hunger
    We did that ourselves.But the Lord is coming to sort the mess out,He has already started

    You need to read up on your Bible, time and again in the Old Testament it is pointed out that it is God who brings about hunger and starvation. According to the book of Proverbs:

    "The Lord does not let the righteous go hungry, but he thwarts the craving of the wicked...No harm happens to the righteous, but the wicked are filled with trouble...Misfortune pursues sinners, but prosperity rewards the righteous."

    So according to your holy book, whenever we see people starving on TV from famine, it is God's punishment on them for their sins. This is not me misquoting scripture, God being the source of suffering is a regular feature of the Bible.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    :rolleyes::( /My Answer is Yes,but now I'll head I've defended my creator.
    But but but... If the host genuinely becomes the body and flesh of Jesus on some hocus pocus molecular level then I will be consuming flesh which is against my beliefs!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 598 ✭✭✭Lemegeton


    no its not. how 51 people actually believe it is boggles the mind :confused::confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,118 ✭✭✭AnnyHallsal


    Lemegeton wrote: »
    no its not. how 51 people actually believe it is boggles the mind :confused::confused:

    Faith


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,450 ✭✭✭Morag


    -All atheists believe in evolution, which means they don't believe in morality and think we should all act like animals.

    Bullshít Athiest have morals and at times more compassion then some christians I have known.
    -The Bible says atheism is wrong, and the Bible is always right (see: Genesis 1:1, Psalms 14:1, Psalms 19:1, Romans 1:19-20)

    Are you wearing clothes made of more then one cloth? When's your stoning?
    Leviticus 19:19

    -Everybody who has ever been in the army will tell you that there are no atheists in foxholes. That is, once they are in danger of death, the atheist will strip himself of his irrational disbelief in God, and come to admit he believed in God all along. Only liberal slimebags like MSNBC report otherwise.

    More Bullshít

    -Communism, which is inherently evil, is founded by atheism, and all atheists are probably secret communists.

    So when the chruch fúcks up with the crusades it is the flaws and failure of man but if anyone else does it it cos they have no god?
    -Because we can think of the existence of God, God must obviously exists, and therefore atheists are illogical.

    I do believe in Faires, I do, I do!
    -a lot of mass murderers were atheists, and all atheists, having no morality to guide them, are only a bad day away from going on a genocide spree. There have no exactly zero cases on Christian mass murderers throughout all of history.

    Really?

    -no atheists contribute to charitable causes, and all Christians do. This is because of atheist's beliefs in Darwinism.

    Bill Gates who is an Athiest set up a foundations do chartible works and will be leaving his fortune to it when he dies.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1027878/Bill-Gates-pledges-58-billion-fortune-charity--children.html

    -Atheists have more mental and physical health problems than Christians. This is attributed to theists having something more to life for. Therefore, God exists.

    Sorry can't repond to this too busy laughing.
    -Friedrich Nietzsche went crazy and was an atheist, therefore atheism drove him insane (although there is an ongoing debate on the matter...)

    No Nietzsche's mental illness was originally diagnosed as tertiary syphilis,
    Which funny enough Christian popes and kings got as well.

    Countries with large numbers of atheists have higher suicide rates, therefore atheism makes you want to kill yourself. Of course they would take the easy way out, not realizing like normal people that God sends suicide cases to hell. Also, developed nations also tend to have higher rates of both atheism and suicide, so we must conclude that technology and wealth are evil.

    Or that you just are not capable of having a rational discussion and don't know what fallacies are. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacies


    -many famous atheists tell lies, therefore atheists are deceptive.

    -many priest raped children, there fore priests are rapists.

    Yeah see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Converse_accident


    -Non-Christians are more likely to believe in silly superstitions, like palm reading and astronomy (note: Non-Christian = atheist). Christians believe only in the cold, hard logical of the world around them.

    Non christain does not = Atheist. There are more Buddhists on the planet then christians.
    -Some theologians say atheist is on the decline, therefore it is. However, this is no reason to lose caution of the atheist threat!

    Some people said the earth was flat.....

    -early scientists were Christian, therefore Christianity owns a monopoly on science and atheists are not allowed to say there is discrepancy between the beliefs in the two.

    REally which early christian invented the wheel?

    -atheists try to convert young people to atheism over the internet. Christians, of course, never stoop to such behavior.

    Nope they target children in schools instead.

    -atheism brought upon the French Revolution, one of the most evil events of all of history.

    I think you will find more people died in the crusades.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,450 ✭✭✭Morag


    Lemegeton wrote: »
    no its not. how 51 people actually believe it is boggles the mind :confused::confused:

    If that is what they believe then I'm ok with that as it to them confers a portion of grace to them.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40 hask1965


    what our you saying the earth is flat next your going to tell me santa is not real and the tooth fairy is not real go away out of that easter bunny soon hope i have been good:D


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,386 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    it's okay,my time is done here,its important to defend your religion and as it was getting bashed here their was no point in standing back.
    By not actually addressing the point I made about it beind BS that the Catholic(and christian churches in general) are more persecutors than persecuted? Instead going not from your own brain and heart, but running to your "betters" for some copy paste nonsense? Okaaaay.
    :rolleyes: okay my friend,your obviously another disillusioned atheist,But don't worry the lord works in mysterious ways!
    Typical god botherer response. You don't know me, nor my theology nor any illusions or not I may have.
    Mortimer J. Adler(Philosopher),Steve Beren(SWP,Became Protestant believes in christ),Anders Borg(minister for finance sweden),Paul Bourget(Author),Julie Burchill,Kirk Cameron,Whittaker Chambers,Francis Collins,Larry Darby,Joy Davidman,Avery Dulles,Dawn Eden,Malcolm Muggeridge,Marvin Olasky,E. F. Schumacher(Converted from Muslim to RC,Criticised "Materialistic Science & Atheism),Anne Rice.....Just some people who converted to the Catholic church.
    So?
    -All atheists believe in evolution, which means they don't believe in morality and think we should all act like animals.
    Whoever wrote this is an idiot. I know it's not you Brenireland so don't get your knickers in a bunch.
    -The Bible says atheism is wrong, and the Bible is always right (see: Genesis 1:1, Psalms 14:1, Psalms 19:1, Romans 1:19-20)
    Ahhh shít you couldn't make this up.
    -Some famous atheists have shown they occasionally have doubts about their disbelief, which proves that all atheists really do believe in God. Of course, no Christian has ever doubted the existence of God.
    That's gobsmackingly arrogant and you wonder why outsiders think your organisation is so fcuked up?
    -Everybody who has ever been in the army will tell you that there are no atheists in foxholes. That is, once they are in danger of death, the atheist will strip himself of his irrational disbelief in God, and come to admit he believed in God all along.
    Completely untrue. Men dying in battle don't scream for their god, they scream for their mother. If they scream for anyone at all.
    Only liberal slimebags like MSNBC report otherwise.
    Him so this is the origin. American Catholics. Well the US religious are not well known for being anything other than completely eye swivellingly batshít.
    -Communism, which is inherently evil, is founded by atheism, and all atheists are probably secret communists.
    Insane.
    -Because we can think of the existence of God, God must obviously exists, and therefore atheists are illogical.
    I can think of the existence of the tooth fairy. Must be real then. Moronic.
    -Everything in the universe shows obvious and undeniable signs that it was created by a mind far superior to our own.
    This is a lot of what this batshít church and most of the desert religions are about. There are better minds than you, so shut up and be controlled or go to hell.
    -a lot of mass murderers were atheists, and all atheists, having no morality to guide them, are only a bad day away from going on a genocide spree.
    Oh my god. Have you read what you're quoting?
    There have no exactly zero cases on Christian mass murderers throughout all of history.
    Yep defo a yank. Uneducated one. Probably a Fox viewer. No histrical clue at all.
    -no atheists contribute to charitable causes, and all Christians do. This is because of atheist's beliefs in Darwinism.
    More utter stupidity.
    -atheists make bad arguments on the internet, says Christian apologist.
    Ahhh jesus, I think I pissed myself laughing :pac:


    If youre not a troll, you need serious help, not least spiritually if you believe even a 10th of the above.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    :rolleyes: okay my friend,your obviously another disillusioned atheist,But don't worry the lord works in mysterious ways!

    Mortimer J. Adler(Philosopher),Steve Beren(SWP,Became Protestant believes in christ),Anders Borg(minister for finance sweden),Paul Bourget(Author),Julie Burchill,Kirk Cameron,Whittaker Chambers,Francis Collins,Larry Darby,Joy Davidman,Avery Dulles,Dawn Eden,Malcolm Muggeridge,Marvin Olasky,E. F. Schumacher(Converted from Muslim to RC,Criticised "Materialistic Science & Atheism),Anne Rice.....Just some people who converted to the Catholic church.

    -All atheists believe in evolution, which means they don't believe in morality and think we should all act like animals.

    -Atheists try to shift the burden of proof unfairly upon theists (ie, atheists make the wild and unprovable claim that God does not exist, and then unfairly expect us Christians to prove that He DOES exist)

    -The Bible says atheism is wrong, and the Bible is always right (see: Genesis 1:1, Psalms 14:1, Psalms 19:1, Romans 1:19-20)

    -Some famous atheists have shown they occasionally have doubts about their disbelief, which proves that all atheists really do believe in God. Of course, no Christian has ever doubted the existence of God.

    -Everybody who has ever been in the army will tell you that there are no atheists in foxholes. That is, once they are in danger of death, the atheist will strip himself of his irrational disbelief in God, and come to admit he believed in God all along. Only liberal slimebags like MSNBC report otherwise.

    -Communism, which is inherently evil, is founded by atheism, and all atheists are probably secret communists.

    -Because we can think of the existence of God, God must obviously exists, and therefore atheists are illogical.

    -Everything in the universe shows obvious and undeniable signs that it was created by a mind far superior to our own.

    -a lot of mass murderers were atheists, and all atheists, having no morality to guide them, are only a bad day away from going on a genocide spree. There have no exactly zero cases on Christian mass murderers throughout all of history.

    -no atheists contribute to charitable causes, and all Christians do. This is because of atheist's beliefs in Darwinism.

    -I quote: "The Barna Group found regarding atheism and morality that those who hold to the worldviews of atheism or agnosticism in America were more likely, than theists in America, to look upon the following behaviors as morally acceptable: illegal drug use; excessive drinking; sexual relationships outside of marriage; abortion; cohabitating with someone of opposite sex outside of marriage; obscene language; gambling.

    -I quote: "
    Atheism The belief that there was nothing and nothing happened to nothing and then nothing magically exploded for no reason creating everything and then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason what so ever into self-replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs."


    -atheists don't believe in miracles, although many Christian philosophers disagree.


    -atheism cannot explain the origins of the universe, therefore God exists.


    -Atheists have more mental and physical health problems than Christians. This is attributed to theists having something more to life for. Therefore, God exists.



    -Friedrich Nietzsche went crazy and was an atheist, therefore atheism drove him insane (although there is an ongoing debate on the matter...)


    -Countries with large numbers of atheists have higher suicide rates, therefore atheism makes you want to kill yourself. Of course they would take the easy way out, not realizing like normal people that God sends suicide cases to hell. Also, developed nations also tend to have higher rates of both atheism and suicide, so we must conclude that technology and wealth are evil.


    -Sigmund Freud said religious belief was unhealthy, but many doctors think Freud is wrong, therefore atheism is evil.


    -many famous atheists tell lies, therefore atheists are deceptive.



    -Fewer people believe now as opposed to x number of years ago (usually around twenty) in evolution, therefore evolutionary theory is wrong and by proxy atheism is wrong, since it's the same thing.


    -Non-Christians are more likely to believe in silly superstitions, like palm reading and astronomy (note: Non-Christian = atheist). Christians believe only in the cold, hard logical of the world around them.


    -Some theologians say atheist is on the decline, therefore it is. However, this is no reason to lose caution of the atheist threat!



    -There are a number of anti-atheist blogs (isn't that good to know? )


    -there is a pro-atheist bias in the liberal controlled media, but as we know from stated above that atheism is on the decline, this hardly matters.


    -Causes of atheism (I quote): moral depravity, rebellion, superficiality, error, state churches, poor relationship with father, division in religion, learned times, peace, and prosperity, negative experiences with theists, scientism.



    -atheists question why evil exists since God is good, but don't ask why good exists if God isn't real.


    -early scientists were Christian, therefore Christianity owns a monopoly on science and atheists are not allowed to say there is discrepancy between the beliefs in the two.


    -Sir Francis Bacon said he'd rather belief in any silly old legend then believe that God doesn't exist


    -Some Christian apologists have problems with the beliefs of Bertrand Russell



    -Creation scientists tend to win creation-evolution debates


    -Notable atheists have converted to Christianity. The reverse never happens.


    -atheists criticism of the Bible can't be trusted because, I quote: "a thorough understanding of the Bible -- and this would actually apply to any complex work from any culture -- requires specialized knowledge, and a broad range of specialized knowledge in a variety of fields.... Not even most scholars in the field can master every aspect"


    Of course, I quote: The Bible is still loved by millions, read by millions, and studied by millions.


    -atheists make bad arguments on the internet, says Christian apologist.


    -atheists try to convert young people to atheism over the internet. Christians, of course, never stoop to such behavior.


    -Nearly a quarter or a third of philosophy professors are theists, therefore, I quote: "God is not 'dead' in academia; he returned to life in the 1960's and is now alive and well in his last academic stronghold, philosophy departments."


    -atheists do not really exist, they just pretend that they don't believe in God.


    -atheism brought upon the French Revolution, one of the most evil events of all of history.

    If posting nonsensical crap on boards.ie was a sport, you'd be heavyweight champion of the world.


  • Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Jason Damaged Shortchange


    He must be winding us up :confused:


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,386 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Lemegeton wrote: »
    no its not. how 51 people actually believe it is boggles the mind :confused::confused:
    Not mine. Catholic belief is still strong in Ireland. Outside of certain demographics. It's just gone more underground.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,864 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Wow. Just.... wow....

    Quick question Brenireland, if all Christians believe in the story of Adam and Eve, where they had many children, who would then have had to procreate with each other to continue life, does that mean that all Christians like incest?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,572 ✭✭✭✭brummytom


    It's always depresses me that there's fucking nutters giving more 'normal' theists a bad name


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    Faith
    Ah faith. A word which somehow bestows believing in something impossible and frankly nuts for absolutely no logical reason with virtue. This is not laudable in any other walk of life.
    Really really odd lads.... really odd.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Brenireland


    Wibbs wrote: »
    By not actually addressing the point I made about it beind BS that the Catholic(and christian churches in general) are more persecutors than persecuted? Instead going not from your own brain and heart, but running to your "betters" for some copy paste nonsense? Okaaaay.

    Typical god botherer response. You don't know me, nor my theology nor any illusions or not I may have.

    So?

    Whoever wrote this is an idiot. I know it's not you Brenireland so don't get your knickers in a bunch.

    Ahhh shít you couldn't make this up.

    That's gobsmackingly arrogant and you wonder why outsiders think your organisation is so fcuked up?

    Completely untrue. Men dying in battle don't scream for their god, they scream for their mother. If they scream for anyone at all.Him so this is the origin. American Catholics. Well the US religious are not well known for being anything other than completely eye swivellingly batshít.

    Insane.

    I can think of the existence of the tooth fairy. Must be real then. Moronic.

    This is a lot of what this batshít church and most of the desert religions are about. There are better minds than you, so shut up and be controlled or go to hell.
    Oh my god. Have you read what you're quoting? Yep defo a yank. Uneducated one. Probably a Fox viewer. No histrical clue at all.

    More utter stupidity.

    Ahhh jesus, I think I pissed myself laughing :pac:


    If youre not a troll, you need serious help, not least spiritually if you believe even a 10th of the above.

    hurts...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dOsbsuhYGQ


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,769 ✭✭✭Bottle_of_Smoke


    Does it literally turn into Jesus? - a simple DNA test would prove otherwise or provide us with material to clone Jesus. Then we could bring him up atheist but still take control of the Vatican. Win win situation


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,118 ✭✭✭AnnyHallsal


    Ah faith. A word which somehow bestows believing in something impossible and frankly nuts for absolutely no logical reason with virtue. This is not laudable in any other walk of life.
    Really really odd lads.... really odd.

    Not really, you can have faith in an errant parter, in an eternally under performing football team, in a political system. People believe many things that technically defy logic, so it should hardly boggle the mind that a percentage subscribe to a central tenet of Roman Catholicism, historically the dominant faith of this land.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,291 ✭✭✭Junco Partner


    no i dont believe its the actual body of christ. its just a meant as a representation, a personification, you're taking jesus into your body, accepting him etc etc. Although i havent set foot in a church in about four years so maybe they've changed the menu.



    that is if this thread is still on topic


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭Gunsfortoys


    Tastes like chicken OP.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    Not really, you can have faith in an errant parter, in an eternally under performing football team, in a political system. People believe many things that technically defy logic, so it should hardly boggle the mind that a percentage subscribe to a central tenet of Roman Catholicism, historically the dominant faith of this land.
    Yup. You can have faith in anything you like but it does not make it true or laudable and certainly not worthy of building and attempting to control a society for.
    I believe Christians are made out of Calvita Cheese..... I have faith in it... you must respect this...


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,386 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    So when they say don't feed the troll, they mean with communion wafers?

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,291 ✭✭✭Junco Partner


    does that apply to science too ghostbuster.


  • Posts: 2,960 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    bluewolf wrote: »
    He must be winding us up :confused:

    Its copy pasta from: http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=29924

    One quick look sums up the poster.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    f0ggy92 wrote: »
    does that apply to science too ghostbuster.
    Seeing as how science is constantly under peer review and it findings constantly changing under availability of evidence then you need to rephrase the question


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,155 ✭✭✭✭28064212


    Its copy pasta from: http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=29924

    One quick look sums up the poster.
    So we have a poster (who may or may not be trolling) posting a copy of a post from a satirical website, which is in turn based heavily off a real website.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,291 ✭✭✭Junco Partner


    hey i'm not out for a fight or anything just felt "anything" was a bit too broad a word to use. landover baptists i read somewhere that that site was a big hoax

    Edit: yup it is. god bashing taken to an a level way behond ah.
    wikipedia page


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