Do you believe that the communion bread is the actual body of christ?

dilbert2 wrote: »

We don't need Atheist Ireland to do any such thing, thankfully the Catholic Church has been shooting itself in the foot of late to warrant it's decline - even among former believers.



Whatever you say Nostradamus.



Yes, in a universe with potentially 200 billion galaxies, there is a mystic being living outside of it who can telepathically here beings communicating to him/ her on a small blue dot. That sounds plausible alright.

:rolleyes:
Like I Said,the Catholic Church has been persecuted a lot worse in the past 2000 years than it is been at the moment.

Ghost Buster wrote: »

He has indeed. Yesterday I said "Christ Im hungry. I'd love steak and chips". Guess what i got for dinner?

Okay,that post confirms everything I need to know about you.
To answer your previous question,at the time when Our Lord Jesus Christ died on the Cross For us,Pontius Pilate was indeed the Roman Governor of Judea from AD 26 through to 36.

John 19:17-37,Is where you will find it.

Wibbs wrote: »

Eh, no. It really hasn't. Before constantine converted there was some persecution in the second century, but the 1000's of christians thrown to the lions was a hollywood fantasy built on earlier fantasies. When the roman catholic church came into official existence as the state religion it was their turn to persecute others. They exterminated all the other "heresies" for a start. Intellectually and physically. They kept that crap up for the next 1500 years. The catholic church over the last 2000 years must figure as one of the most evil and morally corrupt of all organisations to have existed. Do you want to run through a list of dodgy popes then? Eh no. Then the Prods kicked off and went on heretic and witch hunts that paled even in the face of the catholics. Yea, Christianity has really made the world a better place.

Oh sure like Islam there have been highlights, but they come few and far between and usually when the societies are less religious, not more. That goes for all faiths pretty much. The more religious they get, the more islamic/christian/jewish/hindu/sikh etc they become the worse the societies become. Doesnt say much for the god botherers.

Apparently in English too.

:rolleyes: okay my friend,your obviously another disillusioned atheist,But don't worry the lord works in mysterious ways!

Mortimer J. Adler(Philosopher),Steve Beren(SWP,Became Protestant believes in christ),Anders Borg(minister for finance sweden),Paul Bourget(Author),Julie Burchill,Kirk Cameron,Whittaker Chambers,Francis Collins,Larry Darby,Joy Davidman,Avery Dulles,Dawn Eden,Malcolm Muggeridge,Marvin Olasky,E. F. Schumacher(Converted from Muslim to RC,Criticised "Materialistic Science & Atheism),Anne Rice.....Just some people who converted to the Catholic church.

-All atheists believe in evolution, which means they don't believe in morality and think we should all act like animals.

-Atheists try to shift the burden of proof unfairly upon theists (ie, atheists make the wild and unprovable claim that God does not exist, and then unfairly expect us Christians to prove that He DOES exist)

-The Bible says atheism is wrong, and the Bible is always right (see: Genesis 1:1, Psalms 14:1, Psalms 19:1, Romans 1:19-20)

-Some famous atheists have shown they occasionally have doubts about their disbelief, which proves that all atheists really do believe in God. Of course, no Christian has ever doubted the existence of God.

-Everybody who has ever been in the army will tell you that there are no atheists in foxholes. That is, once they are in danger of death, the atheist will strip himself of his irrational disbelief in God, and come to admit he believed in God all along. Only liberal slimebags like MSNBC report otherwise.

-Communism, which is inherently evil, is founded by atheism, and all atheists are probably secret communists.

-Because we can think of the existence of God, God must obviously exists, and therefore atheists are illogical.

-Everything in the universe shows obvious and undeniable signs that it was created by a mind far superior to our own.

-a lot of mass murderers were atheists, and all atheists, having no morality to guide them, are only a bad day away from going on a genocide spree. There have no exactly zero cases on Christian mass murderers throughout all of history.

-no atheists contribute to charitable causes, and all Christians do. This is because of atheist's beliefs in Darwinism.

-I quote: "The Barna Group found regarding atheism and morality that those who hold to the worldviews of atheism or agnosticism in America were more likely, than theists in America, to look upon the following behaviors as morally acceptable: illegal drug use; excessive drinking; sexual relationships outside of marriage; abortion; cohabitating with someone of opposite sex outside of marriage; obscene language; gambling.

-I quote: "
Atheism The belief that there was nothing and nothing happened to nothing and then nothing magically exploded for no reason creating everything and then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason what so ever into self-replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs."


-atheists don't believe in miracles, although many Christian philosophers disagree.


-atheism cannot explain the origins of the universe, therefore God exists.


-Atheists have more mental and physical health problems than Christians. This is attributed to theists having something more to life for. Therefore, God exists.



-Friedrich Nietzsche went crazy and was an atheist, therefore atheism drove him insane (although there is an ongoing debate on the matter...)


-Countries with large numbers of atheists have higher suicide rates, therefore atheism makes you want to kill yourself. Of course they would take the easy way out, not realizing like normal people that God sends suicide cases to hell. Also, developed nations also tend to have higher rates of both atheism and suicide, so we must conclude that technology and wealth are evil.


-Sigmund Freud said religious belief was unhealthy, but many doctors think Freud is wrong, therefore atheism is evil.


-many famous atheists tell lies, therefore atheists are deceptive.



-Fewer people believe now as opposed to x number of years ago (usually around twenty) in evolution, therefore evolutionary theory is wrong and by proxy atheism is wrong, since it's the same thing.


-Non-Christians are more likely to believe in silly superstitions, like palm reading and astronomy (note: Non-Christian = atheist). Christians believe only in the cold, hard logical of the world around them.


-Some theologians say atheist is on the decline, therefore it is. However, this is no reason to lose caution of the atheist threat!



-There are a number of anti-atheist blogs (isn't that good to know? )


-there is a pro-atheist bias in the liberal controlled media, but as we know from stated above that atheism is on the decline, this hardly matters.


-Causes of atheism (I quote): moral depravity, rebellion, superficiality, error, state churches, poor relationship with father, division in religion, learned times, peace, and prosperity, negative experiences with theists, scientism.



-atheists question why evil exists since God is good, but don't ask why good exists if God isn't real.


-early scientists were Christian, therefore Christianity owns a monopoly on science and atheists are not allowed to say there is discrepancy between the beliefs in the two.


-Sir Francis Bacon said he'd rather belief in any silly old legend then believe that God doesn't exist


-Some Christian apologists have problems with the beliefs of Bertrand Russell



-Creation scientists tend to win creation-evolution debates


-Notable atheists have converted to Christianity. The reverse never happens.


-atheists criticism of the Bible can't be trusted because, I quote: "a thorough understanding of the Bible -- and this would actually apply to any complex work from any culture -- requires specialized knowledge, and a broad range of specialized knowledge in a variety of fields.... Not even most scholars in the field can master every aspect"


Of course, I quote: The Bible is still loved by millions, read by millions, and studied by millions.


-atheists make bad arguments on the internet, says Christian apologist.


-atheists try to convert young people to atheism over the internet. Christians, of course, never stoop to such behavior.


-Nearly a quarter or a third of philosophy professors are theists, therefore, I quote: "God is not 'dead' in academia; he returned to life in the 1960's and is now alive and well in his last academic stronghold, philosophy departments."


-atheists do not really exist, they just pretend that they don't believe in God.


-atheism brought upon the French Revolution, one of the most evil events of all of history.

Brenireland wrote: »

:rolleyes: okay my friend,your obviously another disillusioned atheist,But don't worry the lord works in mysterious ways!

Mortimer J. Adler(Philosopher),Steve Beren(SWP,Became Protestant believes in christ),Anders Borg(minister for finance sweden),Paul Bourget(Author),Julie Burchill,Kirk Cameron,Whittaker Chambers,Francis Collins,Larry Darby,Joy Davidman,Avery Dulles,Dawn Eden,Malcolm Muggeridge,Marvin Olasky,E. F. Schumacher(Converted from Muslim to RC,Criticised "Materialistic Science & Atheism),Anne Rice.....Just some people who converted to the Catholic church.

-All atheists believe in evolution, which means they don't believe in morality and think we should all act like animals.

-Atheists try to shift the burden of proof unfairly upon theists (ie, atheists make the wild and unprovable claim that God does not exist, and then unfairly expect us Christians to prove that He DOES exist)

-The Bible says atheism is wrong, and the Bible is always right (see: Genesis 1:1, Psalms 14:1, Psalms 19:1, Romans 1:19-20)

-Some famous atheists have shown they occasionally have doubts about their disbelief, which proves that all atheists really do believe in God. Of course, no Christian has ever doubted the existence of God.

-Everybody who has ever been in the army will tell you that there are no atheists in foxholes. That is, once they are in danger of death, the atheist will strip himself of his irrational disbelief in God, and come to admit he believed in God all along. Only liberal slimebags like MSNBC report otherwise.

-Communism, which is inherently evil, is founded by atheism, and all atheists are probably secret communists.

-Because we can think of the existence of God, God must obviously exists, and therefore atheists are illogical.

-Everything in the universe shows obvious and undeniable signs that it was created by a mind far superior to our own.

-a lot of mass murderers were atheists, and all atheists, having no morality to guide them, are only a bad day away from going on a genocide spree. There have no exactly zero cases on Christian mass murderers throughout all of history.

-no atheists contribute to charitable causes, and all Christians do. This is because of atheist's beliefs in Darwinism.

-I quote: "The Barna Group found regarding atheism and morality that those who hold to the worldviews of atheism or agnosticism in America were more likely, than theists in America, to look upon the following behaviors as morally acceptable: illegal drug use; excessive drinking; sexual relationships outside of marriage; abortion; cohabitating with someone of opposite sex outside of marriage; obscene language; gambling; pornography and obscene sexual behavior; and engaging in homosexuality/bisexuality" Despicable.

-I quote: "
Atheism The belief that there was nothing and nothing happened to nothing and then nothing magically exploded for no reason creating everything and then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason what so ever into self-replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs."


-atheists don't believe in miracles, although many Christian philosophers disagree.


-atheism cannot explain the origins of the universe, therefore God exists.


-Atheists have more mental and physical health problems than Christians. This is attributed to theists having something more to life for. Therefore, God exists.



-Friedrich Nietzsche went crazy and was an atheist, therefore atheism drove him insane (although there is an ongoing debate on the matter...)


-Countries with large numbers of atheists have higher suicide rates, therefore atheism makes you want to kill yourself. Of course they would take the easy way out, not realizing like normal people that God sends suicide cases to hell. Also, developed nations also tend to have higher rates of both atheism and suicide, so we must conclude that technology and wealth are evil.


-Sigmund Freud said religious belief was unhealthy, but many doctors think Freud is wrong, therefore atheism is evil.


-many famous atheists tell lies, therefore atheists are deceptive.



-Fewer people believe now as opposed to x number of years ago (usually around twenty) in evolution, therefore evolutionary theory is wrong and by proxy atheism is wrong, since it's the same thing.


-Non-Christians are more likely to believe in silly superstitions, like palm reading and astronomy (note: Non-Christian = atheist). Christians believe only in the cold, hard logical of the world around them.


-Some theologians say atheist is on the decline, therefore it is. However, this is no reason to lose caution of the atheist threat!



-There are a number of anti-atheist blogs (isn't that good to know? )


-there is a pro-atheist bias in the liberal controlled media, but as we know from stated above that atheism is on the decline, this hardly matters.


-Causes of atheism (I quote): moral depravity, rebellion, superficiality, error, state churches, poor relationship with father, division in religion, learned times, peace, and prosperity, negative experiences with theists, scientism.



-atheists question why evil exists since God is good, but don't ask why good exists if God isn't real.


-early scientists were Christian, therefore Christianity owns a monopoly on science and atheists are not allowed to say there is discrepancy between the beliefs in the two.


-Sir Francis Bacon said he'd rather belief in any silly old legend then believe that God doesn't exist


-Some Christian apologists have problems with the beliefs of Bertrand Russell



-Creation scientists tend to win creation-evolution debates


-Notable atheists have converted to Christianity. The reverse never happens.


-atheists criticism of the Bible can't be trusted because, I quote: "a thorough understanding of the Bible -- and this would actually apply to any complex work from any culture -- requires specialized knowledge, and a broad range of specialized knowledge in a variety of fields.... Not even most scholars in the field can master every aspect"


Of course, I quote: The Bible is still loved by millions, read by millions, and studied by millions.


-atheists make bad arguments on the internet, says Christian apologist.


-atheists try to convert young people to atheism over the internet. Christians, of course, never stoop to such behavior.


-Nearly a quarter or a third of philosophy professors are theists, therefore, I quote: "God is not 'dead' in academia; he returned to life in the 1960's and is now alive and well in his last academic stronghold, philosophy departments."


-atheists do not really exist, they just pretend that they don't believe in God.


-atheism brought upon the French Revolution, one of the most evil events of all of history.

I got to point 2 where my brain screamed troll and if you're not then getting to point 2 was all I needed to know you're talking rubbish anyway so I stopped reading.

Brenireland wrote: »

it's okay,my time is done here,its important to defend your religion and as it was getting bashed here their was no point in standing back.

There's a difference between defending religion and making yourself look silly and uneducated. You went the latter route unfortunately.

Canis Lupus wrote: »

I got to point 2 where my brain screamed troll and if you're not then getting to point 2 was all I needed to know you're talking rubbish anyway so I stopped reading.

You got that far? Well done. I only got as far as

All atheists believe in evolution (wrong), which means they don't believe in morality (totally wrong) and think we should all act like animals (not even a remotely logical conclusion)

when my mind shut down before I got contaminated by the stupidity contained in that post