anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

SafeSurfer · 18-02-2011 10:31AM

Dotsey wrote: »

What foreign parliament is this you speak of?
and are members of this foreign parliament who were born on this island entitled to an Irish passport under the GFA by any chance?
And if so explain to me how are they foreign.
FF and FG criticise Gerry Adams for "coming down here" yet do they realise that when theyve to go form a government theyve to go to our president who is Belfast and also came "down here". Its blatant hypocricsy.

Gerry Adams is resident in Northern Ireland. He paid taxes on his salary and expenses, paid in British pounds, funded by the British taxpayer, to the British Exchequer.

The tax that Gerry Adams paid to the crown, just like every other British taxpayer was used to fund British hospitals, British schools and British troops in places like Afghanistan. FACT.

Gerry Adams has never paid tax in the Republic of Ireland.

18-02-2011 10:34AM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Gerry Adams has never paid tax in the Republic of Ireland.

To be fair,he'll have paid stamp duty and vat on that holiday home in Donegal.You mean income tax?

SafeSurfer · 18-02-2011 10:51AM

Deleted User wrote: »

To be fair,he'll have paid stamp duty and vat on that holiday home in Donegal.You mean income tax?

Yes Income tax. I bought a packet of sweets in a petrol station in Northern Ireland, paying VAT. I wouldn't claim that that I was a taxpayer in Northern Ireland.

I don't think the Donegal holiday home is in Gerry's name in any case.

18-02-2011 10:59AM

They haven't given me the option of voting for them as they do not have a candidate in my area.

Edit: I should probably have mentioned that I wouldn't have voted for them regardless.

bryaner · 18-02-2011 11:01AM

Had to laugh while watching RTE at 12.30 pm yesterday, Peadar (Peter) Tobin who was born and raised in Navan seems to have a northern accent..

Eliot Rosewater · 18-02-2011 11:06AM

sharkie66 banned for ten days for being soapboxing, trolling and refusing to deal with points addressed to him.

/mod.

gk5000 · 18-02-2011 11:22AM

The main issue of this election is the economy, which is a national issue.
Sinn Fein are still effectivly a local party without national coverage.

They have their own small agenda kind of like the other independants.
I don't think they nor any of the other independants deserve to get a say in national issues.

The national agenda is too important to allow it be hijacked by Lowry, Healy-Rae, GP or SF.....

elvis jones · 18-02-2011 11:25AM

Will i vote for them.........NO, nuff said.

3ndahalfof6 · 18-02-2011 12:22PM

gk5000 wrote: »

The main issue of this election is the economy, which is a national issue.
Sinn Fein are still effectively a local party without national coverage.

They have their own small agenda kind of like the other independents.
I don't think they nor any of the other independents deserve to get a say in national issues.

The national agenda is too important to allow it be hijacked by Lowry, Healy-Rae, GP or SF.....

as it stands a lot of people are now saying burn the bond holders, this was SFs stance from day 1, there is always more than 1 way to skin a cat,

time will of course tell, but I am thinking with all of the discussions taking place in Europe our debt will be written off or we will have no option but to default,

at the moment the other parties want us to suffer 3-4 yrs of pain and pure hardship just to come to the same conclusion that was offered to them at the start by SF.

caseyann · 18-02-2011 02:11PM

While they all shout at SF,the figures dont add up,why are people harping on about SF here,when each of the other parties are accusing eachother also of having wrong calculations and figures.
So the issue of figures has categorically gone out the window in the argument of posters here against SF.And now the only reason you have left is you dont like them.

SafeSurfer · 18-02-2011 02:19PM

Caseyann, I just don't thing their policies are credible.

For example:

Sinn Fein policy wants to reduce all public sector salaries to €100,000.
They also say they will not increase taxes for anyone earning less than €100,000.

So their extra tax revenue will come solely from an increase to 48% income tax on those in the private sector earning more than €100,000.

And with this they are going to fund:

* Free universal healthcare

* Restore the minimum wage at €8.65 an hour.

* Remove universal social charge from low-earners.

* Return social welfare payments to 2010 levels.

* Examine mortgage debt forgiveness for those on low and average incomes.

* Create 500 new teaching posts and reduce class sizes to 20.

* Oppose third-level fees.

* Boost Garda numbers.

Zubeneschamali · 18-02-2011 02:31PM

caseyann wrote: »

While they all shout at SF,the figures dont add up,why are people harping on about SF here,when each of the other parties are accusing eachother also of having wrong calculations and figures

FG: 1.67 +1.34 = 3

FF: No, it's all different now that Micheál is in charge!

Labour: It equals capitalist oppression of the working class!

Sinn Féin: Gerry will cast the One Ring into the fires from whence it came, and save the economy!

caseyann · 18-02-2011 02:35PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Caseyann, I just don't thing their policies are credible.

For example:

Sinn Fein policy wants to reduce all public sector salaries to €100,000.
They also say they will not increase taxes for anyone earning less than €100,000.

So their extra tax revenue will come solely from an increase to 48% income tax on those in the private sector earning more than €100,000.

And with this they are going to fund:

* Free universal healthcare

* Restore the minimum wage at €8.65 an hour.

* Remove universal social charge from low-earners.

* Return social welfare payments to 2010 levels.

* Examine mortgage debt forgiveness for those on low and average incomes.

* Create 500 new teaching posts and reduce class sizes to 20.

* Oppose third-level fees.

* Boost Garda numbers.

One thing safe surfer,you say you dont think! You are not hundred percent sure?

You are talking completely to someone who has no clue on economics so really no point in trying to explain that to me.Sorry I do appreciate you trying to show me though.
That wasnt my point with post above,my point is if they are pointing at eachothers figures and saying they are wrong they are wrong.Then who is right?
As far as i can see no one is right.
I like SF policies/For me no one else is trustworthy.

caseyann · 18-02-2011 02:46PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

FG: 1.67 +1.34 = 3

FF: No, it's all different now that Micheál is in charge!

Labour: It equals capitalist oppression of the working class!

Sinn Féin: Gerry will cast the One Ring into the fires from whence it came, and save the economy!

So why dont they all split parties equally in the Dáil and have power together.Weed out in eachothers manifestos the useless policies and work together for the right ones? All this controlled power party crap is wrecking the country.One side on one side of the Irish people the other on the other side for the Irish people and ofc Fianna fail on the side of the EU and banks side.
No wonder the country is in such a mess pitting eachother from different sections against eachother.
One woman i heard on radio yesterday pensioner,asked do you think i can live on 203 euro a week.Can you live on that? And he ignored her.What kind of politician for the people is that.
Imagine what they could do if pulled it together and had top economists and human rights etc.. come in and sort it all out.
Equal amount of seats in the Dáil.
And i whole heartedly agree with them on TD wages cuts.

Dublin_Gunner · 18-02-2011 02:50PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Caseyann, I just don't thing their policies are credible.

For example:

Sinn Fein policy wants to reduce all public sector salaries to €100,000.
They also say they will not increase taxes for anyone earning less than €100,000.

So their extra tax revenue will come solely from an increase to 48% income tax on those in the private sector earning more than €100,000.

And with this they are going to fund:

* Free universal healthcare

* Restore the minimum wage at €8.65 an hour.

* Remove universal social charge from low-earners.

* Return social welfare payments to 2010 levels.

* Examine mortgage debt forgiveness for those on low and average incomes.

* Create 500 new teaching posts and reduce class sizes to 20.

* Oppose third-level fees.

* Boost Garda numbers.

Bringing the min wage up could bring more tax to the revenue. Also, maybe they won;t be paying 100's of millions in consultation fee's to their buddies - this could go a long way toward funding some of those projects.

Their spend doesn't have to all come from tax revenue, a lot could be recouped by reforming government expenditure.

You're forgetting their income will include all those currently taxable incomes. Its not like 'only' those earning over 100k in the private sector are paying tax :rolleyes:

If by free universal healthcare - they even manage to remove the stupid €100 A&E charge that would be a bonus.

SafeSurfer · 18-02-2011 03:00PM

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

Bringing the min wage up could bring more tax to the revenue. Also, maybe they won;t be paying 100's of millions in consultation fee's to their buddies - this could go a long way toward funding some of those projects.

Their spend doesn't have to all come from tax revenue, a lot could be recouped by reforming government expenditure.

You're forgetting their income will include all those currently taxable incomes. Its not like 'only' those earning over 100k in the private sector are paying tax :rolleyes:

If by free universal healthcare - they even manage to remove the stupid €100 A&E charge that would be a bonus.

You are wrong when you say restoring the minimum wage would bring in extra tax revenue because they are committed to scrapping the USC.

I said their extra tax revenue :rolleyes:.

The annual HSE budget is over 14 billion. And this is going to be delivered via FREE Universal healthcare, so even the very wealthiest won't have to pay.

insight_man · 18-02-2011 04:38PM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

and sf will put ireland in too deep rescission and middle ages,as they dont have a clue which most people not all can see,sf are only want power ,but no interests in helping ireland

Your analysis and political debate is pathetic, more like a rant really

KELTICKNIGHTT · 18-02-2011 04:40PM

insight_man wrote: »

Your analysis and political debate is pathetic, more like a rant really

another new sf,
i guess putting country first isnt important i see

insight_man · 18-02-2011 04:43PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Gerry Adams is resident in Northern Ireland. He paid taxes on his salary and expenses, paid in British pounds, funded by the British taxpayer, to the British Exchequer.

The tax that Gerry Adams paid to the crown, just like every other British taxpayer was used to fund British hospitals, British schools and British troops in places like Afghanistan. FACT.

Gerry Adams has never paid tax in the Republic of Ireland.

And how do you know this? Have you access to all revenue files...unless your the Collector General and I'm guessing your not

SafeSurfer · 18-02-2011 04:50PM

insight_man wrote: »

And how do you know this? Have you access to all revenue files...unless your the Collector General and I'm guessing your not

Well it stands to reason that the money that Gerry Adams pays to the British crown is used amongst other things to fund the British army in Afghanistan, the upcoming royal wedding etc, etc. I don't have to be the chancellor of the exchequer to know that.

insight_man · 18-02-2011 04:51PM

caseyann wrote: »

One thing safe surfer,you say you dont think! You are not hundred percent sure?

You are talking completely to someone who has no clue on economics so really no point in trying to explain that to me.Sorry I do appreciate you trying to show me though.
That wasnt my point with post above,my point is if they are pointing at eachothers figures and saying they are wrong they are wrong.Then who is right?
As far as i can see no one is right.
I like SF policies/For me no one else is trustworthy.

I'm with you caseyann. Everyone is on about figures and more figures look at the farce of Lab ads attacking their future coalition partners FG and vise versa.

And look at FF sure they can't question anyone on any figures after what they've done to bankrupt the country with their rish banker friends. I'm like SF policies and particularly don't want to pay 30 or 40 billion to private gamblers / banks.

I trust SF more than any of the others.

KELTICKNIGHTT · 18-02-2011 05:00PM

insight_man wrote: »

I'm with you caseyann. Everyone is on about figures and more figures look at the farce of Lab ads attacking their future coalition partners FG and vise versa.

And look at FF sure they can't question anyone on any figures after what they've done to bankrupt the country with their rish banker friends. I'm like SF policies and particularly don't want to pay 30 or 40 billion to private gamblers / banks.

I trust SF more than any of the others.

thats your choice but not the majority

insight_man · 18-02-2011 05:02PM

gk5000 wrote: »

The main issue of this election is the economy, which is a national issue.
Sinn Fein are still effectivly a local party without national coverage.

They have their own small agenda kind of like the other independants.
I don't think they nor any of the other independants deserve to get a say in national issues.

The national agenda is too important to allow it be hijacked by Lowry, Healy-Rae, GP or SF.....

You must be living on another planet or just don't want real debate but just in case you do...SF have published policies on everything from the economy, education, farming, health, national resources etc etc I could go on.

If by any slight chance you are really interested in engaging in a civilised debate then take a look at their website or contact their head office. Oh one last thing, SF have around 130 local councillors (but stand to be corrected on this) throughout the country and nationally have between 10 % and 17% support according to the various polls.

I apologise if my post seems harsh but really trying to put SF in with the likes of Lowry and Healy-Rea is just wrong

insight_man · 18-02-2011 05:08PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

If you can show me beyond a doubt that SF can get rid of the IMF, borrow elsewhere at less than the IMF rate, default on the guarantee, reverse all the recent welfare cuts, get rid of the USC, create 100,000+ new jobs by taking €7bn from the NPRF which only has €4.9bn in it and get rid of the deficit then I would vote for SF in a heartbeat.

Sure you would and pigs might fly

insight_man · 18-02-2011 05:13PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Have you actually read any of your heroes policy proposals by any chance? What about their proposal to give members of a foreign parliament the right to have an input into drafting a new constitution for this state? Or what about their desire to give automatic membership in our Dáil to members of a foreign parliament? Or what do you think of their plan to take €7bn from the NPRF when there is only €4.9bn left in it?

Even if it is only 4 thousand nine hundred million euro ..phew... what a lot of money, invested in jobs and local businesses that'll do for me

Pete_Cavan · 18-02-2011 05:13PM

insight_man wrote: »

namloc1980 wrote: »

If you can show me beyond a doubt that SF can get rid of the IMF, borrow elsewhere at less than the IMF rate, default on the guarantee, reverse all the recent welfare cuts, get rid of the USC, create 100,000+ new jobs by taking €7bn from the NPRF which only has €4.9bn in it and get rid of the deficit then I would vote for SF in a heartbeat.

Sure you would and pigs might fly

Why dont you explain it to him/her then (your defence of SF here suggests you believe the situation namloc1980 described in his/her post is possible) and see what happens?

Hannibal · 18-02-2011 05:14PM

All threads on SF descend into the type of ridiculous ranting by one or two people who dont have a clue.
FG's policies dont add up either, they will wreck the country and wont last a full term. We will default in time under them. Fact
Labour are planning on going into government with FG but disagree with on everything at present which is bizarre.
FF dont warrant a mention as theyve contributed to us being in this mess.
But SF who want to take action on the bondholders now, so we can stand a chance are somehow wrong? Private investors' debt is not the public debt.

insight_man · 18-02-2011 05:17PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Well it stands to reason that the money that Gerry Adams pays to the British crown is used amongst other things to fund the British army in Afghanistan, the upcoming royal wedding etc, etc. I don't have to be the chancellor of the exchequer to know that.

Didn't answer the question. You state he didn't pay taxes in Ireland. I simply asked how could you possibly know that for certain. Simple answer is you cant

insight_man · 18-02-2011 05:19PM

Dotsey wrote: »

All threads on SF descend into the type of ridiculous ranting by one or two people who dont have a clue.
FG's policies dont add up either, they will wreck the country and wont last a full term. We will default in time under them. Fact
Labour are planning on going into government with FG but disagree with on everything at present which is bizarre.
FF dont warrant a mention as theyve contributed to us being in this mess.
But SF who want to take action on the bondholders now, so we can stand a chance are somehow wrong? Private investors' debt is not the public debt.

Spot on Dotsey. Hit the nail on the head

insight_man · 18-02-2011 05:26PM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

thats your choice but not the majority

I agree with you on that not the majority. But if you were to look at each party none of them represent an overall majority view.

Thats why each are arguing their particular case and point of view. Thats what makes politics interesting to some people like us, its the belief in one view or the other.

I don't think anyone has all the answers

anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

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