Logically Sinn Fein are right

maccored · 17-02-2011 01:51AM

roll on the election.

KELTICKNIGHTT · 17-02-2011 01:52AM

maccored wrote: »

roll on the election.

see ,another no proof ,no policy ,no figure detaills,role on election so we dont hear anymore sf dreamland policys or lack of

maccored · 17-02-2011 01:53AM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

whats the figures,doesnt cover 16 billion in there policy ,not even half it
check it

Glad to hear you've analysed their policy extensively. Hopefully you also done the same with the other partys economic policys? Oh, and how are we goign to pay the interest every year to cover our arses as it is? You missed answering that one for me.

KELTICKNIGHTT · 17-02-2011 01:54AM

maccored wrote: »

Glad to hear you've analysed their policy extensively. Hopefully you also done the same with the other partys economic policys? Oh, and how are we goign to pay the interest every year to cover our arses as it is? You missed answering that one for me.

i have ,have you,maybe someone should tell gerry adams the vat rate in ireland ,might help a little

maccored · 17-02-2011 01:54AM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

see ,another no proof ,no policy ,no figure detaills,role on election so we dont hear anymore sf dreamland policys or lack of

Its roll on the election so I dont have to read more drivel online. Its fine not agreeing with a political party, but the lack of sense in this thread makes me scratch my head.

maccored · 17-02-2011 01:55AM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

i have ,have you,maybe someone should tell gerry adams the vat rate in ireland ,might help a little

You dont know how we're going to survive then as it is, but you dont see the problem with that? Fair enough.

KELTICKNIGHTT · 17-02-2011 01:55AM

maccored wrote: »

Its roll on the election so I dont have to read more drivel online. Its fine not agreeing with a political party, but the lack of sense in this thread makes me scratch my head.

sf thread so hence no sense as there policys or lack of

:D:D

KELTICKNIGHTT · 17-02-2011 01:56AM

maccored wrote: »

You dont know how we're going to survive then as it is, but you dont see the problem with that? Fair enough.

sf doesnt ,everyone else has better idea,did school kids do policys for sf
but whats is clear only people who are angry will vote for likes of sf and people who know no better,thank god they on back benches

maccored · 17-02-2011 01:57AM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

sf thread so hence no sense as there policys or lack of :D:D

OK - so now SF dont have any policies?

Wow.

maccored · 17-02-2011 01:59AM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

sf doesnt ,everyone else has better idea,did school kids do policys for sf

Really, its easier just to say "I dont know". I can see though that your hatred for SF is first and foremost, so i think we'll just leave it there.

KELTICKNIGHTT · 17-02-2011 01:59AM

maccored wrote: »

OK - so now SF dont have any policies?

Wow.

not policys that meet targets needed and dont address the 16 billion need for frontline services and 50 billion

KELTICKNIGHTT · 17-02-2011 02:02AM

maccored wrote: »

Really, its easier just to say "I dont know". I can see though that your hatred for SF is first and foremost, so i think we'll just leave it there.

i dont like sf ,i dont like when a party says thing in policy's that dont add up too meet whats needed for ireland, dont like a party who live 40 years behind the times going on about Republican bull ,its time sf moved on and address with more than they are offering rather than dreamland policy's that on paper dont work or even add up
sf are only interested in power for what they want not ireland

jimaneejeebus · 17-02-2011 02:03AM

namloc1980 wrote: »

That article is from November 2010. Try something more recent.

Jesus H....Redacted..I knew they were taking something out, but that's just incredible

namloc1980 wrote: »

The bailout is €85bn not €200bn. Where are you pulling your figures from?

Most analysts agree that the bailout-in addition to what we already owe in sovereign debt and in addition to what we've already paid to the banks [and will continue to pay to the banks] and the burgeoning mortgage and credit card default will amount to no less than €150,000,000,000.
That's not even thinking about the interest we'll be paying!

Most agree that-whatever the figure-we won't be able to pay it back.
All our politicians just gloss over this and start talking about 5 point plans and positivity and ****?

KELTICKNIGHTT · 17-02-2011 02:06AM

jimaneejeebus wrote: »

Jesus H....Redacted..I knew they were taking something out, but that's just incredible

Most analysts agree that the bailout-in addition to what we already owe in sovereign debt and in addition to what we've already paid to the banks [and will continue to pay to the banks] and the burgeoning mortgage and credit card default will amount to no less than €150,000,000,000.
That's not even thinking about the interest we'll be paying!

Most agree that-whatever the figure-we won't be able to pay it back.
All our politicians just gloss over this and start talking about 5 point plans and positivity and ****?

the money ireland needs is whats in the imf/eu 85 billion,no more ,no less at 5.8% ,not at 9.5 % which was market price and if you see the news ,it might even come down more ,thats for all euro countrys in trouble

pauldry · 17-02-2011 02:07AM

I have no Idea who to vote for in this Election. Well prob Fine Gael or Labour but Fine Gael are going to introduce savage Social Welfare Cuts and theres some in Labour that I dont trust and Gilbore and Moan just annoy me but I have to vote.

jimaneejeebus · 17-02-2011 02:15AM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

the money ireland needs is whats in the imf/eu 85 billion,no more ,no less at 5.8% ,not at 9.5 % which was market price and if you see the news ,it might even come down more ,thats for all euro countrys in trouble

We will need the 85 billion in addition to our sovereign debt which stands at c 100 billion-And counting. Add to that the 15billion deficit we're going to have this year, the further recapitalization of the banks, the oncoming credit/mortgage default. And..oh yes the crippling interest that all of this will entail???????
Do the math!

KELTICKNIGHTT · 17-02-2011 02:18AM

jimaneejeebus wrote: »

We will need the 85 billion in addition to our sovereign debt which stands at c 100 billion-And counting. Add to that the 15billion deficit we're going to have this year, the further recapitalization of the banks, the oncoming credit/mortgage default. And..oh yes the crippling interest that all of this will entail???????
Do the math!

where would sf get all the money from when they default on loans and markets ,as none will give a penny afterwards

jimaneejeebus · 17-02-2011 02:39AM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

where would sf get all the money from when they default on loans and markets ,as none will give a penny afterwards

Hi Keltic Knight
I'm sure you asked me that question already?
We could borrow like many other countries have done before us.
All approaches have their advantages and disadvantages. I'm of the "we shouldn't pay one more cent to the bankers" camp.
I can see that's not your thing. Anyways good night

KELTICKNIGHTT · 17-02-2011 02:44AM

jimaneejeebus wrote: »

Hi Keltic Knight
I'm sure you asked me that question already?
We could borrow like many other countries have done before us.
All approaches have their advantages and disadvantages. I'm of the "we shouldn't pay one more cent to the bankers" camp.
I can see that's not your thing. Anyways good night

we cant as no one will give sf any funds if they default on loans ,same as if you delaut on your loans,you wont get,so we need eu and imf for now till 2016 any ways,as far as the imf.eu deal,theres said there maybe a change by them soon after this eu meet,so maybe less than 5.8%,
night

jimaneejeebus · 17-02-2011 02:49AM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

we cant as no one will give sf any funds if they default on loans ,same as if you delaut on your loans,you wont get,so we need eu and imf for now till 2016 any ways,as far as the imf.eu deal,theres said there maybe a change by them soon after this eu meet,so maybe less than 5.8%,
night

Read this.....good night mr Knight!
http://thepeopleseconomy.com/roadmap-to-recovery/

KELTICKNIGHTT · 17-02-2011 02:52AM

jimaneejeebus wrote: »

Read this.....good night mr Knight!
http://thepeopleseconomy.com/roadmap-to-recovery/

,please,doesnt give any answer the question i asked you
how about reallity now,here and now

yosemite_sam · 17-02-2011 03:01AM

Permabear wrote: »

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We cant pay Europe back and we cant afford to keep borrow 19 billion a year, we need to get our house in order and live within our OWN means. Good luck FG, if you think FF are going to get a pasting in this election the next one will be worse for who ever is in charge

namloc1980 · 17-02-2011 09:31AM

jimaneejeebus wrote: »

Hi Keltic Knight
I'm sure you asked me that question already?
We could borrow like many other countries have done before us.

Someone owes you a lot of money and they announce to you that they've decided that they are not going to repay you any of it. A week later they come knocking on your door looking for more.....do you give it to them?

Let's say even optimistically that Ireland is able to borrow on the markets after a year of being frozen out. How do SF propose in the meantime to pay the dole, teachers, nurses etc. for that year after telling the IMF to feck off while at the same time reversing previous cuts? Their figures simply don't add up.

virmilitaris · 17-02-2011 09:46AM

I suppose this is going to be one of the more stupider questions on this thread.

If we cannot afford to keep the country afloat with our own money without borrowing money, surely we cannot afford to continue to borrow to keep it afloat ?

If I make 1000 euros a month and I borrow another 1000 every month just to survive than how is this sustainable ? Surely the problem is that I am spending too much and I need to live on 1000 less every month.

Is it the normal state of a country's economy to be constantly in an increasing amount of debt ?

I really don't understand economics so I apologise if this all sounds very nieve.

Zubeneschamali · 17-02-2011 11:02AM

virmilitaris wrote: »

Is it the normal state of a country's economy to be constantly in an increasing amount of debt ?

Yes.

Suppose your National Debt is growing at 2%, and your economy is growing at 3%, then no problem, you can service your debt forever. In fact, it is shrinking compared to your economy.

The problem is that suddenly our economy is shrinking, and our spending isn't. The current FF/EU/IMF plan is that we reduce our spending over 4 years (that's the 3% of GDP by 2014 target everyone talks about), and while we're doing that, the EU/IMF lend us enough to keep the lights on.

maccored · 17-02-2011 11:14AM

the EU/IMF lend us enough to keep the lights on.

which we can't afford to even pay the interest on, of course. I cant see how that makes us any better off.

Zubeneschamali · 17-02-2011 11:15AM

maccored wrote: »

which we can't afford to even pay the interest on, of course.

Who told you that?

We paid more in interest back in the 80s.

St.Jimmy · 17-02-2011 11:28AM

Words will fail us when our children ask us in years to come "Why in 2011 didn't Fine Gael have the balls to do what's right? Why did they continue to pay billions of our nations money to foreign Investors when we couldn't even afford to pay for ourselves. Why is our country so f***ed?"[/QUOTE]

Yes, the writing is on the wall.

And let the banks collapse before any more people's lives collapse in poverty and ill health.

And let us take the brunt of bank collapse, and not our children.

maccored · 17-02-2011 12:59PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Who told you that?

We paid more in interest back in the 80s.

So you believe we can pay back the interest owed on the new eu/imf deal? This is nothing like the 80s btw.

KIERAN1 · 17-02-2011 01:10PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K13Af8BODLA

Logically Sinn Fein are right

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