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Gerard.C · 15-02-2011 09:45PM

Didnt like The Rocks comments about Cena. There was something petty about them.

Diabhal Beag · 15-02-2011 09:46PM

Just watching again. Especially Rock's segment. The best part of the night so far was when Michael Cole was about to cry. When he left the laptop one of the tools from Rev Theory tried to pull his chair from behind him like it was in Junior Cert tech drawing

Best RAW in years.

And yes Zack Ryder selling Regal's kiss was amazing.

Professey Chin · 15-02-2011 09:48PM

Gerard.C wrote: »

Didnt like The Rocks comments about Cena. There was something petty about them.

Seemed like the same old Rock to me.
He's always torn into people like that. People are just used to diluted promos from the last few years

Diabhal Beag · 15-02-2011 09:51PM

Gerard.C wrote: »

Didnt like The Rocks comments about Cena. There was something petty about them.

Almost as if it was to set up an angle

jaykhunter · 15-02-2011 09:52PM

Ultimate Chin wrote: »

Seemed like the same old Rock to me.
He's always torn into people like that. People are just used to diluted promos from the last few years

Yep. Pedantically talking, Rock was a heel (well he was a mean guy) in the Attitude Era. I think what'd make it stand out is verbally sparring with him, everyone in the lockerroom (except possibly Punk) would be killed outright!

Mr.Nice Guy · 15-02-2011 09:55PM

Furious-Red wrote: »

Am i the only person who was not a fan of the remix of Rocks theme?

I didn't like it either. I would have preferred him to come out to his traditional theme ideally.

Gerard.C · 15-02-2011 09:56PM

Diabhal Beag wrote: »

Almost as if it was to set up an angle

He's hardly going to be wrestling this year though is he? I dont like him being there if hes only going to take focus off the Cena-Miz match, assuming thats what happens.

Furious-Red · 15-02-2011 10:05PM

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

I didn't like it either. I would have preferred him to come out to his traditional theme ideally.

Yea when i heard "If You Smell What The Rock Is Cooking" i was like yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa , but then as i listened i was like why change the song????

You will never beat this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfwNRY6y0nA

Gerard.C · 15-02-2011 10:06PM

Ultimate Chin wrote: »

Seemed like the same old Rock to me.
He's always torn into people like that. People are just used to diluted promos from the last few years

He hardly tore into Cena though. He said there was the era of Austin, then The Rock (I dont remember that peroid myself?) and now theres Cena, and he made fun of his t-shirts and the you cant see me thing.

Theres just so many holes in that. To me anyway.

The way he was going on Finally I'm home, Finally I'm this, Finally I'm that. Finally I've a break in the filiming schedule I would imagine.

And speaking to the crowd as Dwayne annoyed me too. You're either The Rock or Dwayne like, make up your mind. I hate that kinda "real" stuff.

Diabhal Beag · 15-02-2011 10:06PM

Gerard.C wrote: »

He's hardly going to be wrestling this year though is he? I dont like him being there if hes only going to take focus off the Cena-Miz match, assuming thats what happens.

Can see him screwing over Cena if he faces Miz. Don't care at all for that match but if Rock is there I'd pay attention.

parker kent · 15-02-2011 10:12PM

Gerard.C wrote: »

He's hardly going to be wrestling this year though is he? I dont like him being there if hes only going to take focus off the Cena-Miz match, assuming thats what happens.

Miz/Cena needs all the help it can get. Plus as I've said about 1000 times today, I imagine at Mania we will see The Rock raising Cena's arm in the air. Thus their thinking runs like this:

Bring in a guy ALL fans will like
Have him acknowledge weaknesses in Cena that have caused many fans to tune out
Get those fans to tune back in when they see The Rock doing this
Have Cena "win over" The Rock and hope the same thing happens with the fans

parker kent · 15-02-2011 10:15PM

Pentecost wrote: »

There was another hint, looking back, during the Miz's match Cole was shouting something along the lines of "this is like Rocky!" I doubt that was coincidence.

Rocky Balboa was the Rocky in question there. Cole did also compare The Miz to pretty much every major wrestling figure.

Gerard.C · 15-02-2011 10:19PM

parker kent wrote: »

Miz/Cena needs all the help it can get. Plus as I've said about 1000 times today, I imagine at Mania we will see The Rock raising Cena's arm in the air. Thus their thinking runs like this:

Bring in a guy ALL fans will like
Have him acknowledge weaknesses in Cena that have caused many fans to tune out
Get those fans to tune back in when they see The Rock doing this
Have Cena "win over" The Rock and hope the same thing happens with the fans

But Miz-Cena has barely started yet so how does it need help?

Why should Cena have to win over the rock?

I hope this doesnt ruffle too many feathers but like **** the rock. Great nostalgia seeing him back and all that. But why should Cena have to win over a failed movie star when he has been carrying the company for years himself? Is what Cena does much worse than saying roody poo and making jokes about pie? Its not Cenas fault if WWE is PG and that a lot of their fans cant move beyond the fact that the attitude era is over. Could be easily argued that Cena is the better wrestler too

Wile E. Coyote · 15-02-2011 10:20PM

Great to see The Rock back. Spent ages watching old footage this evening and came across the last time he returned to Aneheim

The Rock

Dean820 · 15-02-2011 10:29PM

Can't believe some people are finding faults in that promo from last night.

gimmick · 15-02-2011 10:33PM

Gerard.C wrote: »

But Miz-Cena has barely started yet so how does it need help?

Because The Miz is green as fúck when it comes to main eventing and many would say his heat is "X Pac" heat. Cena Miz is a half decent Raw main event, but for the biggest event of the year? No thank you.

jaykhunter · 15-02-2011 10:49PM

gimmick wrote: »

Because The Miz is green as fúck when it comes to main eventing and many would say his heat is "X Pac" heat. Cena Miz is a half decent Raw main event, but for the biggest event of the year? No thank you.

I would've complained that Miz has yet to be actually put over by Orton and has been pinned multiple times by Lawler. He's basically gotten the "Jericho Undisputed Champion" gimmick & booking. For a guy that's not established as a money draw/main guy it's suicide. And not the awesome TNA gimmick either.

15-02-2011 10:55PM

Gerard.C wrote: »

But Miz-Cena has barely started yet so how does it need help?

Why should Cena have to win over the rock?

I hope this doesnt ruffle too many feathers but like **** the rock. Great nostalgia seeing him back and all that. But why should Cena have to win over a failed movie star when he has been carrying the company for years himself? Is what Cena does much worse than saying roody poo and making jokes about pie? Its not Cenas fault if WWE is PG and that a lot of their fans cant move beyond the fact that the attitude era is over. Could be easily argued that Cena is the better wrestler too

yes, yes it is.

also if you think he's a fail movie star you obviously haven't seen the Tooth Fairy:D nah seriously though, Welcome To The Jungle and Walking Tall are awesome movies, and he was very funny in Be Cool I thought. Nothing compared to his WWE promos though.

parker kent · 15-02-2011 11:00PM

Gerard.C wrote: »

But Miz-Cena has barely started yet so how does it need help?

Why should Cena have to win over the rock?

I hope this doesnt ruffle too many feathers but like **** the rock. Great nostalgia seeing him back and all that. But why should Cena have to win over a failed movie star when he has been carrying the company for years himself? Is what Cena does much worse than saying roody poo and making jokes about pie? Its not Cenas fault if WWE is PG and that a lot of their fans cant move beyond the fact that the attitude era is over. Could be easily argued that Cena is the better wrestler too

It needs help because it is monumentally obvious that Cena will win or will at least be booked as being far superior. It is not exactly the most exciting main event in WM history.

Why should Cena have to win over The Rock? Maybe you are missing my point. A large majority of adult male wrestling fans don't like Cena. They do like The Rock. So having them banter in a few promos and eventually having The Rock say "Cena, maybe you are not the dork that looks like he was shít out of Barney's ass that I thought you were" might win over some of those fans.

It is not that long since the WWE produced financial reports showing the major drop in buyrates for PPVs. It is very arguable that the drop is due to the Cena-aliented fans being the reason the buyrates are down. So trying to make Cena look more credible to those fans is hardly a bad idea.

Edit: Also poop is something an extremely uncool 8 year old says. Pie jokes are something college guys joke about. Bit of a difference.

jaykhunter · 15-02-2011 11:02PM

wow Ger u really ramped up the bitterness towards the Rock since earlier today!

I wouldn't be too quick to write off Miz-Cena but Rock's star power eclipses the ceremonial "giving Cena his title back" ala aforementioned Triple H and Jericho @ WMX8. Nobody believes for a minute that Miz will retain. No drama. No emotional investment = who cares.

Well, why not compare Cena's promo at the start of RAW to Rock's promo at the end and see which one the fans in attendance and over the internet appreciated more. Even compare how they both picked on Cole.

It's a point that's been beaten to death, but my God, Cena's punches. Watch the start of his match with Punk.

It's not Cena's fault that WWE are PG but he's got the stroke to make his lines better but chooses not to. You don't need to be Attitude Era to cut an amazing promo, just ask CM Punk

Professey Chin · 15-02-2011 11:05PM

Simply, the Rock gets people in their mid 20s who have moved away from WWE over time interested even if only for a while.
Usually on a monday id see maybe 2/3 posts on FB/Twitter from my friends about Raw or WWE in general. ive lost count how many ive seen today. People who havn't watched wrestling in years are talking, they want to see whats gonna happen and so do I. I want to see the current WWE product go 1 on 1 with the Great One :cool:

flahavaj · 15-02-2011 11:06PM

In fairness now lads its not Cena's fault he works in the PG era. he'd have been amazing in the Attitude Era if he'd been given the free reign on the mic that Rock and Austin did. Those heelish raps he used to do were great. I'm not dsying he's as good as Rock on the mic, but its not a like for like comparison.

Gowan the Ger C bai, like Tony Montana, there is no lying in you.

15-02-2011 11:10PM

flahavaj wrote: »

In fairness now lads its not Cena's fault he works in the PG era. he'd have been amazing in the Attitude Era if he'd been given the free reign on the mic that Rock and Austin did. Those heelish raps he used to do were great. I'm not dsying he's as good as Rock on the mic, but its not a like for like comparison.

Gowan the Ger C bai, like Tony Montana, there is no lying in you.

yeah they were good, a bit corny at times though, it's his current gimmick and weak writing that have him faltering, I mean when has a Marine army guy ever been funny?

parker kent · 15-02-2011 11:16PM

flahavaj wrote: »

In fairness now lads its not Cena's fault he works in the PG era. he'd have been amazing in the Attitude Era if he'd been given the free reign on the mic that Rock and Austin did. Those heelish raps he used to do were great. I'm not dsying he's as good as Rock on the mic, but its not a like for like comparison.

Gowan the Ger C bai, like Tony Montana, there is no lying in you.

It is Cena's fault that he hasn't improved his wrestling. The punches are a cliché, as is the no pressure STF. Plus the PG era stuff is a red herring. It doesn't stop CM Punk having great, cutting edge promos. Ditto Alberto Del Rio. Of course Cena would improve if the booking was better, but he just doesn't stack up in my view. I think he would look weak in a non-scripted promo battle with The Miz, let alone The Rock, Punk etc.

I read this on Creative Recall a few minutes ago and it is a decent stab at how they could turn Cena heel. Especially if they link in the GM and Michael Cole.

I would like Cena to go a little corporate. He was the face of WWE, did exactly what he was told for the money. In essence, he was always being a heel. Have Mr. McMahon come out and embrace Cena for being a corporation’s dream. Obviously who is the opposite of all this? Randy Orton. Cena can say the WWE Universe was never on his side from day one, and he kept a smile on his face every week for the almighty dollar. Now that he is filthy rich he doesn’t need the fans. etc etc etc etc etc

flahavaj · 15-02-2011 11:22PM

parker kent wrote: »

It is Cena's fault that he hasn't improved his wrestling. The punches are a cliché, as is the no pressure STF. Plus the PG era stuff is a red herring. It doesn't stop CM Punk having great, cutting edge promos. Ditto Alberto Del Rio. Of course Cena would improve if the booking was better, but he just doesn't stack up in my view. I think he would look weak in a non-scripted promo battle with The Miz, let alone The Rock, Punk etc.

I read this on Creative Recall a few minutes ago and it is a decent stab at how they could turn Cena heel. Especially if they link in the GM and Michael Cole.

I wasn't taling about his wrestling. But in all fairness, Rock's open handed srtikes were pretty sh*tty as well, not to mention the cringe-worthy people's elbow.

I agree that CM Punk is sensational on the mic, its no disgrace not being as good as him. del Rio is very good, but would he be able to carry the company for years like Cena has done? He has very little depth to his character at the moment despite being very entertaining.

There is absolutely no doubt the the PG era is restricting Cena. The poopy stuff is horrible and there's no doubt he is scripted to within an inch of his life. Blame the writers and policy makers, not the wrestler.

parker kent · 15-02-2011 11:24PM

As the face of the WWE, Cena has more than enough clout to have a say in the direction of his character.

flahavaj · 15-02-2011 11:27PM

parker kent wrote: »

As the face of the WWE, Cena has more than enough clout to have a say in the direction of his character.

So you're saying he enjoys making "poopy" jokes? The PG era is there for corporate reasons that go far and above any influence that any one wrestler could ever hope to have. Its a company policy devised to bring in famililes and attract companies like Mattel. WWE would never let anyone, even Cena jeopardise that. Its worth far too much money to them.

Mr.Nice Guy · 15-02-2011 11:35PM

I think a lot of people either didn't catch Cena when he was really on fire in mid to late '03 or else just don't remember it, but when he was non-PG he was extremely entertaining. Here's a great rap on Rey Mysterio. I think this was just as his heel turn was finishing and he became a babyface soon after due to his popularity:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrUdn5KWPoM

Also I don't think Cena needs a rub from The Rock to win over the fans who hate him. He's been a babyface for what, seven years? They would win most of his critics over with a heel turn just like with happened with The Rock's Hollywood heel persona when he got stale.

As for Punk, he's a heel. It's easy to impress the IWC when you are one. As a babyface he wasn't anything special. Batista is another example when he turned. People hated his babyface stuff but became entertained following that. I believe Cena is a better natural talker than Punk and the closest thing to The Rock the current roster has. He's just being restricted. In my view the Cena persona of 2003 could hang with The Rock. He wouldn't be better, I don't think anyone would be, yet he'd be entertaining and hold his own.

parker kent · 15-02-2011 11:35PM

flahavaj wrote: »

So you're saying he enjoys making "poopy" jokes? The PG era is there for corporate reasons that go far and above any influence that any one wrestler could ever hope to have. Its a company policy devised to bring in famililes and attract companies like Mattel. WWE would never let anyone, even Cena jeopardise that. Its worth far too much money to them.

I know about the Mattel deal and the PG rating, I have had to defend myself on here for saying such a situation existed at all! Of course he could change his promos. It is a strategic decision that he obviously agrees with to have him speak like the 10 year old fans he appeals to. I know the writers are bad, but I'm sure between them and Cena they could come up with a PG friendly word that was not poop.

As for The Rock's in-ring ability, I thought it best to avoid the Rocky fanboys today and not bring attention to certain horrible aspects to his in-ring ability! But I definitely view him as better than Cena in-ring.

Machismo Fan · 15-02-2011 11:37PM

flahavaj wrote: »

So you're saying he enjoys making "poopy" jokes? The PG era is there for corporate reasons that go far and above any influence that any one wrestler could ever hope to have. Its a company policy devised to bring in famililes and attract companies like Mattel. WWE would never let anyone, even Cena jeopardise that. Its worth far too much money to them.

The standard of 'comedy' has nothing to do with them being PG, it's just terrible writing - last I checked Pixar are PG yet every film they make is awesome. Cena is an awesome promo guy if he's given good material, the writers just never do that but Cena is in a position to make them come up with something else if the writing sucks. It doesn't have to be edgy or not PG, it just has to be good.

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