anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

SafeSurfer · 15-02-2011 10:14PM

puffdragon wrote: »

This thread's gone a wee bit toxic, I think the FF IT's have moved from spamming phones to thread slaying!!

I think its fair to say that the vast majority of first posters on this thread are pro Sinn Fein.

colly10 · 15-02-2011 10:15PM

puffdragon wrote: »

You might think about not borrowing that money at all !!

We need to or we can't pay the public service (which Sinn Fein don't plan on cutting), we don't have enough money.

puffdragon · 15-02-2011 10:16PM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

how will you fund running the country,where will you get 50 billion and 16 billion too run services,tax take wont do it,theres only less than 5 billion in pension fund ????????????????????????????

WHEN do you need the 50 billion? tomorrow !! no , you need the 50 billion over a ten year period that means you get time after an injection of cash from our own pension fund (thats if we dont give it to the banks) to stimilate the economy which in turn will raise taxes and so eliminating the need to borrow, My mother used to call it "standing on your own two feet" or in nerdy terms a proper managed economy with no waste( or wasters)

the_syco · 15-02-2011 10:19PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

the_syco wrote: »

danbohan wrote: »

except most peoples mothers are not british spys

Nor are pizza delivery people. They still get shot, though.

I think you will find Gerry Adams condemned that attack and no informed person would argue that those killings have anything to do with Gerry Adams or Sinn Fein.

It doesn't have anything to do with GA. I was replying to the quote about british spys: the latest RA spinoffs seem to shoot anyone connected remotely to helping the British, be it helping a wounded soldier, or delivering pizza to the soldiers.

phantom_lord wrote: »

Also it's pretty laughable that SF are saying they'll get rid of the IMF or renegotiate the deal.

I find it nice that they are starting to say the latter, esp as they were dead set on saying "no" to the IMF not so long ago. Such a radical change.

pugw · 15-02-2011 10:20PM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

this country will get promises from all party s ,the thing is after the election ,and may see differently ,always happens that way

So what are you saying? the opposition parties have some credibility in making promises, they havent been power for the last 14 years. FF dont! Like Micheál flip-flopping ofer his nice 90k severence package! And claiming to do away with severance payments for td's anymore. Why didnt they do it all along? Ah sure poor aul Bertie, noel, brian etc etc would have lost out on the few pound then!
Here is 1 for all the FF heads slating Sinn fein to chew on http://www.tribune.ie/news/article/2011/jan/16/the-grubby-small-print-of-fianna-fails-foundation/

KELTICKNIGHTT · 15-02-2011 10:22PM

KIERAN1 wrote: »

I'm not Sinn Fein Supporter firstly, but I don't see how you could claim the economic policy we have now, is far better than the Sinn Fein economic policy.

Their saying "default" now while we have a chance to repair the country, the fact that is not been mentioned here, is the percentage interest rate on the bail out can't be payed ever, as we don't have enough Irish citizens in this country to pay the bloody thing. So default is going to happen anyway.

I was thinking voting for them in this election have not previously done so!

first off,i didnt say last government policy was better,default is a option,burn bond holders,maybe, Ireland owes too much already too euro an euro bank,if we dont have working bank ,then the country fcked,theres already too much put in,that would be wasted if all these changes these partys are talking about too restructure the banking system
the country need 16 billion too run front-line services,and this 50 billion that was put out there in debate

puffdragon · 15-02-2011 10:22PM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

maybe answer question,as the sf leader couldnt,i take it you cant too

You know its so long since I had any work that I've completely forgotten what the VAt Rate is too

SafeSurfer · 15-02-2011 10:24PM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Yes. Obscene. SF of course only take home the industrial wage.

Sinn Fein TD's cost the tax payer the same amount as every other TD. That they donate some of their large salary to Sinn Fein is irrelevent.

You forot to mention that they "take home" some of the highest expenses of any of the deputies in Dail Eireann.

paul71 · 15-02-2011 10:24PM

KIERAN1 wrote: »

I'm not Sinn Fein Supporter firstly, but I don't see how you could claim the economic policy we have now, is far better than the Sinn Fein economic policy.

Their saying "default" now while we have a chance to repair the country, the fact that is not been mentioned here, is the percentage interest rate on the bail out can't be payed ever, as we don't have enough Irish citizens in this country to pay the bloody thing. So default is going to happen anyway.

I was thinking voting for them in this election have not previously done so!

Default or partial default may well happen in the long term, but in the short term we do not have the money to pay for current spending beyond a couple of months and that is spending at the reduced rate proposed by FG. The SF policy would leave us unable to pay civil servants wages in April or May, and without a banking system as a mechanism for any private company in the country to pay their staff within a couple of weeks of a SF government coming into power.

Their policies are complete nonsense, and the strange thing is the senior party members themselves know it and are happy to spout the nonsense as they know they will not get into power. All they are doing is trying to attract the idiot vote.

phantom_lord · 15-02-2011 10:25PM

puffdragon wrote: »

WHEN do you need the 50 billion? tomorrow !! no , you need the 50 billion over a ten year period that means you get time after an injection of cash from our own pension fund (thats if we dont give it to the banks) to stimilate the economy which in turn will raise taxes and so eliminating the need to borrow, My mother used to call it "standing on your own two feet" or in nerdy terms a proper managed economy with no waste( or wasters)

We need the money a lot sooner than that, and a stimulus wont work in Ireland, certainly not to raise taxes enough to cover the deficit.

wee truck big driver · 15-02-2011 10:25PM

paul71 wrote: »

So how does a tree get its wages paid when idiot Gerry closes all the banks and no-one has a bank account?

from a branch of the credit union

KELTICKNIGHTT · 15-02-2011 10:26PM

pugw wrote: »

So what are you saying? the opposition parties have some credibility in making promises, they havent been power for the last 14 years. FF dont! Like Micheál flip-flopping ofer his nice 90k severence package! And claiming to do away with severance payments for td's anymore. Why didnt they do it all along? Ah sure poor aul Bertie, noel, brian etc etc would have lost out on the few pound then!
Here is 1 for all the FF heads slating Sinn fein to chew on http://www.tribune.ie/news/article/2011/jan/16/the-grubby-small-print-of-fianna-fails-foundation/

dont change subject ,asking sf where they get the funds like 50 billion and 16 billion too run services,still no answer from sf,and figures that add up,

phantom_lord · 15-02-2011 10:26PM

paul71 wrote: »

Their policies are complete nonsense, and the strange thing is the senior party members themselves know it and are happy to spout the nonsense as they know they will not get into power. All they are doing is trying to attract the idiot vote.

And people complain and wonder how we got FF, and yet off they go doing the same thing again, only just worse.

KELTICKNIGHTT · 15-02-2011 10:26PM

wee truck big driver wrote: »

from a branch of the credit union

normal sf answer ,like the leader gerry would say

crebel81 · 15-02-2011 10:27PM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

this country will get promises from all party s ,the thing is after the election ,and may see differently ,always happens that way

Your love for Sinn Fein is so strong Kelticknight...lets hope you continue to give us ur no.1

Yep the vat rate is 13.5% and 21%. But i dont think knowing that alone would repair the damage that Fianna fail did to this country. Because that is a bigger crime than not knowing a fecking vat rate

Creating jobs is one of the major solutions to the problem. 450k people on the dole...now how much is that costing the state.

So if u look at the 10 point plan u will see various idea's for getting the country back on a positive role...

Now jobs alone cant sort out this huge mess.

Sinn Fein are going to use a method of stimulation, something which FF didnt quite understand. How the hell are we going to pay the interest on the bailout? and more importantly why the hell do we have to pay for the risks taking by speculators?

phantom_lord · 15-02-2011 10:29PM

crebel81 wrote: »

Sinn Fein are going to use a method of stimulation

No they're not. They're going to do the opposite with their absurd plans of doubling capital gains tax, increasing dirt, and introducing a wealth tax and driving capital away, it's not enough they plan to encourage the educated part of the economy to leave with an extra tax for people on 100k.

KELTICKNIGHTT · 15-02-2011 10:29PM

puffdragon wrote: »

WHEN do you need the 50 billion? tomorrow !! no , you need the 50 billion over a ten year period that means you get time after an injection of cash from our own pension fund (thats if we dont give it to the banks) to stimilate the economy which in turn will raise taxes and so eliminating the need to borrow, My mother used to call it "standing on your own two feet" or in nerdy terms a proper managed economy with no waste( or wasters)

where did you get 10 years from ?be alot more if 10 years
there less than 5 billion in pension fund and where would pension come from if sf used pension fund,raising taxes your answer,thought so,,

colly10 · 15-02-2011 10:30PM

KIERAN1 wrote: »

I'm not Sinn Fein Supporter firstly, but I don't see how you could claim the economic policy we have now, is far better than the Sinn Fein economic policy.

Your not a Sinn Fein supporter but you are going to vote for them in the next election, so you are supporting them in these elections.
How can we say their worse? Well Sinn Fein's policy doesn't even nearly add up, never mind saving money, we'd actually be going further into debt and almost straight away will not have the money for basic services and social welfare

KIERAN1 wrote: »

Their saying "default" now while we have a chance to repair the country

But this country can't currently afford to pay for public services, Sinn Fein arn't going to cut those so if we default we will not have any money to pay for the public service. It's pretty simple really, their policy can't actually work, maybe i'm just not seeing the light. Can you tell me how, Gerry hasn't been able to so far

mccoist · 15-02-2011 10:30PM

Fianna Fail pursued a captilist policy along with its crony way of running things
result we are skint BILLIONS they have us in debt for
michael may not like to call it a BAILOUT but it is no matter how he tries to worm his way out of being responsible
FineGael and Labour will negotiate a new deal because they have to
A good idea would be to involve Sinn Fein in negotiations
Like it or not they represent irish people and this country first and will not be doffing their caps to any european leaders
Gerry Adams is the highest profile international political figure in this country, respected world wide
maybe a few of you people who never get past the county borders and only have the odd channel should be aware of this
This country is in deep financial trouble
the price is being paid in the family homes of irish people
Just athought for mortgage holders with no jobs or sympathy from any of fianna fail policy,s to date as the taxes that are levied against them bailout the very institutions which will repocess their homes

wee truck big driver · 15-02-2011 10:31PM

paul71 wrote: »

Default or partial default may well happen in the long term, but in the short term we do not have the money to pay for current spending beyond a couple of months and that is spending at the reduced rate proposed by FG. The SF policy would leave us unable to pay civil servants wages in April or May, and without a banking system as a mechanism for any private company in the country to pay their staff within a couple of weeks of a SF government coming into power.

Their policies are complete nonsense, and the strange thing is the senior party members themselves know it and are happy to spout the nonsense as they know they will not get into power. All they are doing is trying to attract the idiot vote.

i think its fair to say the idiot vote in the 2007 election went to f.f but they are going to be more shrewd this time and vote for f.g so expect more of the same until the country goes bust we shouldnt have to wait too long

paul71 · 15-02-2011 10:32PM

wee truck big driver wrote: »

from a branch of the credit union

Credit unions hold their accounts in the main banks, if the banks close the credit unions go bust and you lose your savings.

So the question stands, how do you get paid your wages when idiot Gerry closes all the banks?

KELTICKNIGHTT · 15-02-2011 10:33PM

crebel81 wrote: »

Your love for Sinn Fein is so strong Kelticknight...lets hope you continue to give us ur no.1

Yep the vat rate is 13.5% and 21%. But i dont think knowing that alone would repair the damage that Fianna fail did to this country. Because that is a bigger crime than not knowing a fecking vat rate

Creating jobs is one of the major solutions to the problem. 450k people on the dole...now how much is that costing the state.

So if u look at the 10 point plan u will see various idea's for getting the country back on a positive role...

Now jobs alone cant sort out this huge mess.

Sinn Fein are going to use a method of stimulation, something which FF didnt quite understand. How the hell are we going to pay the interest on the bailout? and more importantly why the hell do we have to pay for the risks taking by speculators?

with sf lack of policy and cop-on,they really dont have a clue,if we too go by there supporters,thank god they never see goverment
sf doesnt even have policys that work,a leader who doesnt even know the vat rate ,what a bunch ,thank god they have help in 6 counties too help,as they dont have a clue, populist crap

puffdragon · 15-02-2011 10:34PM

Personally I haven't a clue how much is in the pension fund and neither do any one of you, the real truth is that we are all being misled by Fianna Fail and this is not the first time, Remember we were supposed to have "a soft landing and the gem "we've turned the corner" springs to mind and all Fianna Fail can do is throw mud at Gerry Adams as an alternative to owning up to the massive failures they really are and going away quietly

crebel81 · 15-02-2011 10:35PM

wee truck big driver wrote: »

i think its fair to say the idiot vote in the 2007 election went to f.f but they are going to be more shrewd this time and vote for f.g so expect more of the same until the country goes bust we shouldnt have to wait too long

Spot on! Fg and FF....a continous cycle of failure!!

Lets see how it pans out

KELTICKNIGHTT · 15-02-2011 10:35PM

mccoist wrote: »

Fianna Fail pursued a captilist policy along with its crony way of running things
result we are skint BILLIONS they have us in debt for
michael may not like to call it a BAILOUT but it is no matter how he tries to worm his way out of being responsible
FineGael and Labour will negotiate a new deal because they have to
A good idea would be to involve Sinn Fein in negotiations
Like it or not they represent irish people and this country first and will not be doffing their caps to any european leaders
Gerry Adams is the highest profile political figure in this country
maybe afew of you people who never get past the county borders and only have the odd channel should be aware of this

dream on ,gerry is a muppet

paul71 · 15-02-2011 10:37PM

mccoist wrote: »

Fianna Fail pursued a captilist policy along with its crony way of running things
result we are skint BILLIONS they have us in debt for
michael may not like to call it a BAILOUT but it is no matter how he tries to worm his way out of being responsible
FineGael and Labour will negotiate a new deal because they have to
A good idea would be to involve Sinn Fein in negotiations
Like it or not they represent irish people and this country first and will not be doffing their caps to any european leaders
Gerry Adams is the highest profile political figure in this country
maybe afew of you people who never get past the county borders and only have the odd channel should be aware of this

So how will your wages be paid when the highest profile political figure in the country idiot Gerry closes all the banks?

Come on one potiential Sinn Fein voter answer a simple question!

crebel81 · 15-02-2011 10:37PM

@ Keltic lol brilliant

Populist...I think u will find that all the leaders were at it last nite...as for martin, well words cant describe him:D

KELTICKNIGHTT · 15-02-2011 10:38PM

puffdragon wrote: »

Personally I haven't a clue how much is in the pension fund and neither do any one of you, the real truth is that we are all being misled by Fianna Fail and this is not the first time, Remember we were supposed to have "a soft landing and the gem "we've turned the corner" springs to mind and all Fianna Fail can do is throw mud at Gerry Adams as an alternative to owning up to the massive failures they really are and going away quietly

it was said last nite in debate,gerry ads thought there was 7 billion till he was told there was 4.6 billion,if you whee listing too debate,so maybe answer the question instead of sf pup-list stuff

puffdragon · 15-02-2011 10:38PM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

with sf lack of policy and cop-on,they really dont have a clue,if we too go by there supporters,thank god they never see goverment
sf doesnt even have policys that work,a leader who doesnt even know the vat rate ,what a bunch ,thank god they have help in 6 counties too help,as they dont have a clue, populist crap

Would you really like to confront someone on the dole at the moment and try tell them that Fianna Fail policies have paid off so far? Its a pity someone wouldent ask Mehole how much the single persons dole payment is if their still living at home!! Fast answerers only please!!

SafeSurfer · 15-02-2011 10:39PM

crebel81 wrote: »

Because that is a bigger crime than not knowing a fecking vat rate

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True

anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

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