anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

takun · 11-02-2011 05:28PM

metzengerstein wrote: »

who cares who did what

Me.

metzengerstein · 11-02-2011 05:36PM

time to let go of the past gentlemen .time to make a stand and make this country a good place to live and a good place for our children to have when we go .

im not saying vote for sf it your choice who you vote for .im just saying stop voting in ff if you are one of those who has .or were f**ked again

Zubeneschamali · 11-02-2011 05:42PM

metzengerstein wrote: »

im just saying stop voting in ff if you are one of those who has .or were f**ked again

But that's the opposite of letting go of the past: that's holding FF responsible for their screw-ups.

takun · 11-02-2011 05:46PM

metzengerstein wrote: »

time to let go of the past gentlemen

Oh that's ok then, since I'm a woman I get to hold on to it.

metzengerstein · 11-02-2011 05:50PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

But that's the opposite of letting go of the past: that's holding FF responsible for their screw-ups.

what have sf done to screw up the country.
i lke their ideas i dont bother with the history or whatever happened .
im only intrested in being allowed to live and not suffer anymore.

metzengerstein · 11-02-2011 05:52PM

takun wrote: »

Oh that's ok then, since I'm a woman I get to hold on to it.

thats fair enough

:D

Zubeneschamali · 11-02-2011 06:06PM

metzengerstein wrote: »

what have sf done to screw up the country.

That's a reason for voting against FF. I'll be voting against SF because they are promising to screw up the country.

KELTICKNIGHTT · 11-02-2011 06:06PM

PauloMN wrote: »

I don't think I could ever vote for SF in my lifetime. Too close a connection between them and the IRA, and incidents like the McCabe murder.

They can dress them up in suits all they want, but they still have civilian blood, and the blood of our security forces on their hands.

Aside from that, I would never trust them to be in charge of our country's economy.

totaly agree

KELTICKNIGHTT · 11-02-2011 06:15PM

no one will vote sf if they want this country too get better again,there policy's or lack of wont ever do any good for southern Ireland,they use same political as they have always,reject everything but no solutions too any of Ireland problems,at least a plan that works ,also till the day they dont sell IRA stuff on there website and have proven not too be connected with IRA,majority of people in Ireland wont see them in power any other party out there wont have them for these reasons and more,there supporters can rant on all they like,but wont change this

COYW · 11-02-2011 06:47PM

crebel81 wrote: »

You need to move on from the mcCabe murder and stop listening to the propaganda promoted by media types.

Lovely that. Sweep it under the carpet. Many people on this island have something called morals. The murder of innocent people isnt something we forget about.

crebel81 wrote: »

Its hard to judge the credentials of a partys economic policies if they have not been in government

Not really. You can judge them by reading their manifesto. You can also get a fair idea of their level of economic ability by listening to them talk on economic matters. SFs manifesto would send us back to the 1930s and their leader, Adams, constantly fails to impress when questioned on economic matters.

Alastriona73 · 11-02-2011 08:15PM

After quite a lot of thought and consideration I have decided to vote for SF and independents because

1. FF and the Greens (mainly FF) have completely destroyed the country
2. FG are not offering anything different (leo V's disgraceful appearance on VB last night continues to confirm this)
3. Labour don't know whether they are left or right wing party but all signs are pointing to the right (their Kerry North candidate is so far removed from the reality of working class life it's ridiculous), plus they will go into coalition with FG
4. SF are offering us some bit of hope. They live on the average industrial wage so understand real life. They do straight talking. They have the support of many other key opinion leaders outside of their own party. They have empathy with people who quite frankly are on the edge in this country.

Everyone here can spout on about the economic illiteracy of this party but quite frankly some of us have just bloodly well had enough of FF, FG etc continuously kicking us while we are down and whose policies are forever centred around protecting the business class and wealthy.

I agree with SF's stance on not forcing ordinary people to shoulder the burden of bailing out banks etc.

If some people here feel that they don't want to vote for SF because of the past then that's their democratic right but don't forget that other parties have a similar history and I for one am trying to look forwards rather than backwards at this point.

PauloMN · 11-02-2011 08:18PM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

no one will vote sf if they want this country too get better again,there policy's or lack of wont ever do any good for southern Ireland,they use same political as they have always,reject everything but no solutions too any of Ireland problems,at least a plan that works ,also till the day they dont sell IRA stuff on there website and have proven not too be connected with IRA,majority of people in Ireland wont see them in power any other party out there wont have them for these reasons and more,there supporters can rant on all they like,but wont change this

Christ, never realised they sell IRA T-shirts on their site. :eek:
http://www.sinnfeinbookshop.com/catalog/product_reviews.php?cPath=35_36&products_id=646&osCsid=2e39826691e98567c2699706853f2d26

Only when they completely shake off their links with an organisation that blew people to bits on this island and in Britain, will they be taken seriously. Selling 'RA shirts on their site doesn't really convince me that they have done so. They should be able to stand over everything they sell on their site - I wonder would they be happy to canvass the streets of Irish towns wearing the IRA T-shirts that they sell?

I just saw their party political broadcast on RTÉ there, the more I hear from them the less well I think they will do in this election.

To be honest, I've no real problem with them working in local councils, and there's certainly a few of them do good work for local community. However, government is an entirely different thing, and I personally wouldn't want them to hold any sway in the new government of this country.

KELTICKNIGHTT · 11-02-2011 08:39PM

Alastriona73 wrote: »

After quite a lot of thought and consideration I have decided to vote for SF and independents because

1. FF and the Greens (mainly FF) have completely destroyed the country
2. FG are not offering anything different (leo V's disgraceful appearance on VB last night continues to confirm this)
3. Labour don't know whether they are left or right wing party but all signs are pointing to the right (their Kerry North candidate is so far removed from the reality of working class life it's ridiculous), plus they will go into coalition with FG
4. SF are offering us some bit of hope. They live on the average industrial wage so understand real life. They do straight talking. They have the support of many other key opinion leaders outside of their own party. They have empathy with people who quite frankly are on the edge in this country.

Everyone here can spout on about the economic illiteracy of this party but quite frankly some of us have just bloodly well had enough of FF, FG etc continuously kicking us while we are down and whose policies are forever centred around protecting the business class and wealthy.

I agree with SF's stance on not forcing ordinary people to shoulder the burden of bailing out banks etc.

If some people here feel that they don't want to vote for SF because of the past then that's their democratic right but don't forget that other parties have a similar history and I for one am trying to look forwards rather than backwards at this point.

theres a big difference being a party whos still connected with IRA and selling there crap on there website,other partys have learnt and grown up ,maybe in 10 years sf will ,for now,sf wont be let near a government when connected still with terrorists period

KELTICKNIGHTT · 11-02-2011 08:40PM

PauloMN wrote: »

Christ, never realised they sell IRA T-shirts on their site. :eek:
http://www.sinnfeinbookshop.com/catalog/product_reviews.php?cPath=35_36&products_id=646&osCsid=2e39826691e98567c2699706853f2d26

Only when they completely shake off their links with an organisation that blew people to bits on this island and in Britain, will they be taken seriously. Selling 'RA shirts on their site doesn't really convince me that they have done so. They should be able to stand over everything they sell on their site - I wonder would they be happy to canvass the streets of Irish towns wearing the IRA T-shirts that they sell?

I just saw their party political broadcast on RTÉ there, the more I hear from them the less well I think they will do in this election.

To be honest, I've no real problem with them working in local councils, and there's certainly a few of them do good work for local community. However, government is an entirely different thing, and I personally wouldn't want them to hold any sway in the new government of this country.

in local councils,they cant do as much damage ,still wouldnt vote or more so,Trust them

derrybhoy · 11-02-2011 09:41PM

As someone who has lived in america, I have seen at first hand how sinn fein leaders are treated there they have access to people and places that other political leaders in ireland can only dream about.In the town that I live someone told they are pissed off with f.f but he said he still might vote for the local f.f T.D which he called "The clown in the town" how sad.CHANGE CHANGE IT'S OUR ONLY WAY!

KELTICKNIGHTT · 11-02-2011 09:52PM

derrybhoy wrote: »

As someone who has lived in america, I have seen at first hand how sinn fein leaders are treated there they have access to people and places that other political leaders in ireland can only dream about.In the town that I live someone told they are pissed off with f.f but he said he still might vote for the local f.f T.D which he called "The clown in the town" how sad.CHANGE CHANGE IT'S OUR ONLY WAY!

change yes but not with sf,never happen with them

wee truck big driver · 11-02-2011 10:04PM

COYW wrote: »

Lovely that. Sweep it under the carpet. Many people on this island have something called morals. The murder of innocent people isnt something we forget about.

Not really. You can judge them by reading their manifesto. You can also get a fair idea of their level of economic ability by listening to them talk on economic matters. SFs manifesto would send us back to the 1930s and their leader, Adams, constantly fails to impress when questioned on economic matters.

REALLY GIVE ME THE NAMES OF THE 100 + PEOPLE WHO HAVE DIED IN GARDAI CUSTODY SINCE 1970 GIVE ME THE NAMES OF THE 2000 + KILLED BY THE LOYALISTS AND BRITISH SECURITY FORCES SINCE 1970............WHAT YOUR MEMORY NOT AS CLEAR AS YOU THOUGHT
BUT SURE FIANNA FAIL AND FINE GAEL AND LABOUR COULD UNDERSTAND ECONOMICS, WELL ACTUALLY THEY COULDNT BUT THEY COULD SURE TALK THE TALK. WE CANT AFFORD TO BAIL OUT THE BANKS THAY KNOW IT WE KNOW IT THE E.U IMF KNOW IT SO WHY SPEND THE NEXT YEAR OR SO TRYING TO WHILE SPENDING ANY MONEY WE HAVE LEFT IN OUR RESERVE.WHY WOULD YOU TRUST THE PEOPLE WHO GOT US INTO THIS MESS TO GET US OUT

KELTICKNIGHTT · 11-02-2011 10:25PM

wee truck big driver wrote: »

REALLY GIVE ME THE NAMES OF THE 100 + PEOPLE WHO HAVE DIED IN GARDAI CUSTODY SINCE 1970 GIVE ME THE NAMES OF THE 2000 + KILLED BY THE LOYALISTS AND BRITISH SECURITY FORCES SINCE 1970............WHAT YOUR MEMORY NOT AS CLEAR AS YOU THOUGHT
BUT SURE FIANNA FAIL AND FINE GAEL AND LABOUR COULD UNDERSTAND ECONOMICS, WELL ACTUALLY THEY COULDNT BUT THEY COULD SURE TALK THE TALK. WE CANT AFFORD TO BAIL OUT THE BANKS THAY KNOW IT WE KNOW IT THE E.U IMF KNOW IT SO WHY SPEND THE NEXT YEAR OR SO TRYING TO WHILE SPENDING ANY MONEY WE HAVE LEFT IN OUR RESERVE.WHY WOULD YOU TRUST THE PEOPLE WHO GOT US INTO THIS MESS TO GET US OUT

that your excuse for voting sf who still have connections too IRA terrorists,
then better off without sf party

derrybhoy · 11-02-2011 10:30PM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

change yes but not with sf,never happen with them

For a political party to come through interment,assassination,censorship it is some achievement to hopefully be the biggest party in ireland after these elections.The old guard just like in egypt is crumbling that is great the sooner the better.

maringo · 11-02-2011 10:37PM

I would consider giving SF a vote if they handed over the locations of the bodies of the disappeared people to their distraught families. If they call to me I'll take the opportunity to ask them.

KELTICKNIGHTT · 11-02-2011 10:39PM

derrybhoy wrote: »

For a political party to come through interment,assassination,censorship it is some achievement to hopefully be the biggest party in ireland after these elections.The old guard just like in egypt is crumbling that is great the sooner the better.

not a consideration for a party like sinn fein that still supports the IRA and still sells there crap on there website

derrybhoy · 11-02-2011 10:47PM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

not a consideration for a party like sinn fein that still supports the IRA and still sells there crap on there website

F.Fail still supports the bankers and they where selling crap.

wee truck big driver · 11-02-2011 11:03PM

maringo wrote: »

I would consider giving SF a vote if they handed over the locations of the bodies of the disappeared people to their distraught families. If they call to me I'll take the opportunity to ask them.

i would consider voting for any of the established parties who through their fear of the ira. allowed the gardai to assault suspected ira members during interrogation, who collaborated with britsh security forces to murder innocent irish people they suspected of being members of the ira and even covered up the bombing of monaghan and dublin. when these parties (f.g f.f and lab) admit to these cowardly acts i might just might consider voting for them

wee truck big driver · 11-02-2011 11:05PM

you can call the i.r.a terrorists or you can acknowledge the fact that they where brave men and women fighting for irish freedom

KELTICKNIGHTT · 11-02-2011 11:05PM

derrybhoy wrote: »

F.Fail still supports the bankers and they where selling crap.

think theres a big big difference between banks and a bunch of terrorists ,till sf gets that sorted maybe in 20 years,then people might take them more serious

takun · 11-02-2011 11:07PM

wee truck big driver wrote: »

you can call the i.r.a terrorists or you can acknowledge the fact that they where brave men and women fighting for irish freedom

I pick terrorists.

KELTICKNIGHTT · 11-02-2011 11:07PM

wee truck big driver wrote: »

you can call the i.r.a terrorists or you can acknowledge the fact that they where brave men and women fighting for irish freedom

sf support terrorists,so they cant be trusted

KELTICKNIGHTT · 11-02-2011 11:08PM

takun wrote: »

I pick terrorists.

that sums up sf then

takun · 11-02-2011 11:12PM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

that sums up sf then

I meant in reply to the question (if it was a question) that I choose to call the IRA what I think they adequately proved to me they were, terrorists.

caseyann · 11-02-2011 11:21PM

wee truck big driver wrote: »

you can call the i.r.a terrorists or you can acknowledge the fact that they where brave men and women fighting for irish freedom

Brave women and men who paved the way for the freedom of this country and gave them the freedom to vote and own land and be Irish who also opened the door for free Irish in the north to vote.
Call my great grand father a terrorist and i will pop you in jaw:D
The irony most of these people relations from the past were IRA sympathizers and also helped and hid and were apart of IRA lol:D

Sinn Féin,the one thing i have an issue with is the pension reserve fund,but i am going to have a talk with someone about that during the week to see what they intend to protect those people with instead.

anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

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