anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

danbohan · 11-02-2011 03:57PM

''many who were paying attention when they wanted to destroy our state.''

pity the many were not paying attention when their state was destroyed by fianna fail

PauloMN · 11-02-2011 03:59PM

caseyann wrote: »

Funny that concentration on IRA from all sides but no concentration on the loyalists.

Probably as the PUP are not running for election here.

There's no connection between any of the parties running here and loyalist terrorists. There is a link between Sinn Féin and republican terrorists.

It really is sad to think that a large number of SF votes will be made up of people who vote for them purely because they are republicans, or those who want to "protest" at FF, rather than looking at their economic policies.

C14N · 11-02-2011 04:01PM

caseyann wrote: »

Where did i say i was voting for SF for that reason,or even said i hate British and consider them enemies?

"You may let it go for British side,i dont forget so easy."

If it wasn't what you meant, it sounded strongly like you still have a lot of animosity for them.

caseyann · 11-02-2011 04:01PM

PauloMN wrote: »

Probably as the PUP are not running for election here. There's no connection between any of the parties running here and loyalist terrorists. There is a link between Sinn Féin and republican terrorists.

It really is sad to think that a large number of SF votes will be made up of people who vote for them purely because they are republicans, or those who want to "protest" at FF, rather than looking at their economic policies.

Oh wow sell that line to someone else who will buy it.;)

Its really sad that those who voted fianna fail and gael and pd and greens are still hiding behind the false thought they have done anything for the country but sit on their butts and do nothing and wreck the country in process.HMMMMM glass houses stones.

insight_man · 11-02-2011 04:03PM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

people will vote sf and alliance and the likes too shake up the main partys too let them ,but no one expect sf to help thsi country,just look at there so called policys,only make things worse,like a boy in big mans shoes when you look at sf

Clearly you haven't read over SF policy documents. Most people are like you. Makes broad statements but have no real research behind them.

I'd also refer you to the North where the best performing departments are run by SF ministers!! A lot of people just look for reasons to knock a party that's different from the the FF,FG,Lab consensus.

Open your mind before you make sweeping statements

:P

caseyann · 11-02-2011 04:12PM

C14N wrote: »

"You may let it go for British side,i dont forget so easy."

If it wasn't what you meant, it sounded strongly like you still have a lot of animosity for them.

Nope just dont like the molly coddling of truth and constant brought up accusations that Sinn Féin is anything but peaceful and doing the political stand on things.
If you also recall it said forgiven but not forgotten.;)

LordSutch · 11-02-2011 04:25PM

I think a lot depends on your age, those too young to remeber will inhale the Sinn Fein bull s*** and blindly tick the SF box (without any real thought), then you have the young indoctrinated types who have a picture of Padraig Pearse on their bedroom wall, then of course you have the older pub dwelling hardened Republican 'we faught the brits' shinners who seem to be a dying breed these days 'thank God', and then you have the rest of us who wont be voting Sinn Fein because we do remember what they were, before they shaved off the moustaches & bought the new suits, and also because we see the madness in the current SF economic policies > stuff the IMF indeed :rolleyes:

I didn't support the PIRA murderers in the 70s 80s 90s, and I certainly don't believe SF propaganda machine now!

Got a SF flyer through my letter box this am, tore it in half then straight in the bin with it, before any contamination might set in :mad:

11-02-2011 04:26PM

insight_man wrote:

Clearly you haven't read over SF policy documents. Most people are like you. Makes broad statements but have no real research behind them.

There has been a lot of mention of SF economic plans here actually so it's not true to suggest people haven't read them.
The daftness in the SF plans isn't rocket science to point out.
Lots of people here have pointed out 2 glaring holes (1)That the nprf would be needed to cover this years defecit leaving no money for their stimulus

(2) Even if there was money left which there isn't,the projects the pension money's to be spent on are all for public services like building schools,hospitals etc.Those projects don't earn a return so when they are done ,whats the workers on them to do then? remember,there'll be no money left as the cuts are reversed meaning the couple of billion raised in property and wealth taxes and the 48% tax will be gone and we are back at square one spending 19 billion more than we earn.
The SF plan then is mad as a hatter thinking the bond markets will give us that €15 billion + each year in perpetuity,a year after we unilaterally default, with no way of paying it off and with the mountain of debt building up and interest payments spiraling.

These things are being said over and over again in this thread and every once in a while,people from SF come along and act as if they were never said and certainly don't deal with them

It baffles me as to why they would think most people in the country would buy into such dodgy logic.
The only reason I can come up with is one I mentioned last night and that is,they are playing to a certain demographic who just don't care about "minor things" like wheres the money going to come from.
That demographic is a minority and as long as Sinn Féin continue to base all their energy on courting it instead of a blend that makes a wider demographic have confidence in them, untill then SF will remain a minority party.

They still obviously have the potential to double their seats or more though as is the case with clever vote management on 14% or so.

danbohan · 11-02-2011 04:29PM

LordSutch wrote: »

I think a lot depends on your age, those too young to remeber will inhale the Sinn Fein bull s*** and blindly tick the SF box (without any real thought), then you have the young indoctrinated types who have a picture of Padraig Pearse on their bedroom wall, then of course you have the older pub dwelling hardened Republican 'we faught the brits' shinners who seem to be a dying breed these days 'thank God', and then you have the rest of us who wont be voting Sinn Fein because we do remember what they were, before they shaved off the moustaches & bought the new suits, and also because we see the madness in the current SF economic policies > stuff the IMF indeed :rolleyes:

I didn't support the PIRA murderers in the 70s 80s 90s, and I certainly don't believe SF propaganda machine now!

Got a SF flyer through my letter box this am, tore it in half then straight in the bin with it, before any contamination might set in :mad:

I didn't support the PIRA murderers in the 70s 80s 90s,

i am sure you had no problem supporting the british murders in the same period

metzengerstein · 11-02-2011 04:41PM

PauloMN wrote: »

Spoil your vote again please. At least you won't have given SF a vote.

And all politicians are not scum by the way.

explain how they are not scum .

metzengerstein · 11-02-2011 04:45PM

NotorietyH wrote: »

I think you've got that backwards. Sinn Fein live in a fantasy land where they can spend the Pension Reserve fund twice.

i dont have it backwards ,maybe some aspects of sin fein are fantasy ,but not worse than who has been in power the last few years .look at the state of the country .look at the amount of people destroyed by them .and the irish keep voting them in and in again .wtf

takun · 11-02-2011 04:45PM

insight_man wrote: »

I'd also refer you to the North where the best performing departments are run by SF ministers!!

One big difference between the North and the Republic though. The North is part of the UK, and pretty much entirely funded by UK tax payers who do not live there. It does not and could not stand alone as an economic entity.

LordSutch · 11-02-2011 04:48PM

danbohan wrote: »

i am sure you had no problem supporting the british murders in the same period

:rolleyes: murders are murders whoever they are comitted by.

PauloMN · 11-02-2011 04:51PM

danbohan wrote: »

I didn't support the PIRA murderers in the 70s 80s 90s,

i am sure you had no problem supporting the british murders in the same period

Ahh yes, the old "if you're not with us, you're against us" line.

Grow up.

Zubeneschamali · 11-02-2011 04:51PM

metzengerstein wrote: »

maybe some aspects of sin fein are fantasy ,but not worse than who has been in power the last few years .look at the state of the country .

So, don't vote for SF (fantasy policy), and don't vote for anyone who's been in power the last few years.

That still leaves you with Labour and ULA if you lean left, FG is you lean right, and various independents (but watch out for "independents" who are really FFers who jumped ship to avoid going down with the party!)

Pete_Cavan · 11-02-2011 04:51PM

metzengerstein wrote: »

i dont have it backwards ,maybe some aspects of sin fein are fantasy ,but not worse than who has been in power the last few years .look at the state of the country .look at the amount of people destroyed by them .and the irish keep voting them in and in again .wtf

You are lamenting the fact that people vote for FF even though they know they are full of sh*t, you not much better if you vote for SF when you know they are full of sh*t. There are other parties apart from SF and FF.

danbohan · 11-02-2011 04:55PM

PauloMN wrote: »

Ahh yes, the old "if you're not with us, you're against us" line.

Grow up.

nothing of the sort dude , many of the anti sinn fein posters here are hiding their true pro loyalist / pro british agenda , at least they should come clean on their true position

Zubeneschamali · 11-02-2011 04:59PM

danbohan wrote: »

many of the anti sinn fein posters here are hiding their true pro loyalist / pro british agenda

Is that supposed to make us all post anti-Unionist stuff to prove our irishness?

I'm not going to get into the politics of condemnation!

slim1919 · 11-02-2011 05:00PM

i will be voting for them ff lab fg all the same sht have done nothing but fcuk this country up vote them in and you will see the same **** just a differnt name vote sinn fein for a better ireland

crebel81 · 11-02-2011 05:02PM

PauloMN wrote: »

I don't think I could ever vote for SF in my lifetime. Too close a connection between them and the IRA, and incidents like the McCabe murder.

They can dress them up in suits all they want, but they still have civilian blood, and the blood of our security forces on their hands.

Aside from that, I would never trust them to be in charge of our country's economy.

Yes Sinn Fein like most if not all irish parties were born out of the struggle against british oppression in some shape or form

If you look across the world you will see that this is very common

You need to move on from the mcCabe murder and stop listening to the propaganda promoted by media types.

Are you telling me that this irish government has no blood on its hands??????

So who would you trust in charge of our economy? Its hard to judge the credentials of a partys economic policies if they have not been in government

Zubeneschamali · 11-02-2011 05:03PM

crebel81 wrote: »

You need to move on from the mcCabe murder

No, I really don't.

PauloMN · 11-02-2011 05:03PM

metzengerstein wrote: »

explain how they are not scum .

Some of them are misguided, more of them are ineffective, a few of them are even corrupt. Maybe you could consider the corrupt ones as "scum", I'm not really going to debate that one.

But to call each and every politician as "scum" is just childish.

metzengerstein · 11-02-2011 05:06PM

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

You are lamenting the fact that people vote for FF even though they know they are full of sh*t, you not much better if you vote for SF when you know they are full of sh*t. There are other parties apart from SF and FF.

thats laughable ,its plainly ovbious they are sh*t all theyve done is f**k up the country .and they still get in power ,so i think yes people keep voting them in even though they do this .

sf seem to have some good ideas,they seem to want to look after the people instead of themselves .if thats true great /

they dont seem like they are going to build ridiculous 5billion euro spikes and not spend that money on health ,transport, roads or helicopters or cars etc etc or pay back our debt .when all of that is put right ill refrain from calling them scum and when i get my money back that has been taken to pay the banks back .sf want to abolish this charge .

crebel81 · 11-02-2011 05:08PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

No, I really don't.

If you look closely I was not replying to your statement

PauloMN · 11-02-2011 05:09PM

crebel81 wrote: »

You need to move on from the mcCabe murder and stop listening to the propaganda promoted by media types.

SF won't move on from it, so f**k them as far as I'm concerned.

In any case, aside from the whole terrorism side of things, SF lean way too left for me.

SF and FF are the only parties I have decided I will absolutely not vote for in this election so far. I've yet to make up my mind about the rest.

Zubeneschamali · 11-02-2011 05:11PM

crebel81 wrote: »

If you look closely I was not replying to your statement

Does that mean that if I don't look closely, you were?

crebel81 · 11-02-2011 05:12PM

PauloMN wrote: »

SF won't move on from it, so f**k them as far as I'm concerned.

In any case, aside from the whole terrorism side of things, SF lean way too left for me.

SF and FF are the only parties I have decided I will absolutely not vote for in this election so far. I've yet to make up my mind about the rest.

Move on from what exactly?

If they lean to left for you that is your opinion and you use your democratic right to vote. But if it all goes pear shaped lets hope your not one of the thousands like we have seen recently who complain after voting an incompetant bunch of monkeys in

PauloMN · 11-02-2011 05:19PM

crebel81 wrote: »

Move on from what exactly?

If they lean to left for you that is your opinion and you use your democratic right to vote. But if it all goes pear shaped lets hope your not one of the thousands like we have seen recently who complain after voting an incompetant bunch of monkeys in

To completely distance themselves from that atrocious act. They can't even come out and condemn the killing of a member of this country's Garda. F**k them.

As for the current government, I didn't vote FF in last time either.

metzengerstein · 11-02-2011 05:19PM

who cares who did what .

the main question should be do we let our country get f**ked again or give someone who can run it properly a chance.

once its not ff i really dont care. sorry but they are total scum and have had no regard for this country whatsoever and no intrest in the future of it .

Zubeneschamali · 11-02-2011 05:28PM

metzengerstein wrote: »

who cares who did what

<hand-up>Me, sir, I do, sir!</hand-up>

anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

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