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anyone here going to vote sinn féin?
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Excuse me, you said you'd be protesting outside SF HQ if I could prove the expenses.Seriously, why do you not ask them yourselves what they are using the expenses money for... I am sending your post to the releveant people and asking them to check it out.. But please remember, people in glass houses should not throw stones... can you name one party that has milked the Dail less than this? Please tell me that you believe FF/FG/Labour havent....
Micheal Martin taking 90k pay-off, Eamonn Gilmours wife getting 500k for a patch of land that is only worth 40-50k, and some FG members in opposition for the last 13 years and still getting ministerial pensions, and seriously, i downloaded the data you sent me the other day (granted, i only review the first link and stopped there, because there were approx 80 TD names on that list and only one of them were a SF member) and i responded back based on the single link ..... do you still have the seconds link? If the second link has more succint data to back up your point, I will do the data analysis on that link also, if you still have it, but please dont send me something like the first link (1 SF member in an 80 name list... please).
I did prove it, I linked you to both the excel sheet listing all TDs and to the blog post where it originated(they requested it under FOI).
Your excuse to dismiss it was to lie and state that it only had 1 SF TD in it, despite it having all 4 SF TD's, and now your new excuse is that no other parties are any better?
What happened to:
?Pleae show us where you got this information from... if you cant show it/prove it, then i am guessing you are one of the FF/FG/Labour party members in here to spread lies and disinformation... if you can prove it, i promise you i will stand outside the SF offices and demonstrate against them. ie put up or shut up0 -
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Xclusiv Barber wrote: »then'll we'll be iceland version 2.0 (i.e. Go it alone). Plus We'd have a zero credit rating. One could argue that we say thats fine, fu<k the rating, fu(k the eu the US, asia etc etc cos were going it alone and were bringing back the punt too ( thread idea....should we ever have ditched the punt?). Thats one way. Only thing is, thats an awful lot of fu<king bridges to burn isn't it? Our mess is not black and white, more like a million varying shades of grey
Have you read their manifesto?
A new Budget as soon as possible
following the election.
2) Close the deficit over 6 years, not 4. We
would envisage a €3billion adjustment
for the remainder of 2011 (€4.7billion in
a full year), leaving us with a deficit of
€15.7billion in 2012.
3) Restructuring the bank debts, including
burning the bank bondholders in those
banks which are insolvent, including
Anglo Irish Bank. This will ensure tax
raised is spent on Irish public services
– not servicing or paying off the debt
incurred for bailing out the banks.
4)
Initiate a responsible wind-down of
NAMA.
5) A €7billion job-creation programme
spread over 3.5 years with the aim of
saving and creating more than 160,000
jobs funded by a once-off transfer from
the National Pension Reserve Fund
and which we would use for a stimulus
instead of transferring its reserves into
the banks
Sounds very plausible and fair to me.Doesnt look like they sinking our ship but more stabilizing it without control from outside.http://www.sinnfein.ie/files/SF_GeneralElectionManifesto2011.pdf
On a side note i miss the punt
The introduction of a 1% Wealth Tax. This
would be an income-linked Wealth Tax
for high-earners levied on their assets
over €1million in value, excluding working
farmland.
I have a funny feeling why other members do not like this one lol.
The introduction of a third tax rate of
48% on individual income in excess of
three times the average industrial wage
(€100,000) per annum.0 -
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Xclusiv Barber wrote: »Absolutely. I was merely answering the post what if we default.
I mean what if we stay with them and the economy doesnt pick up and we keep losing? I am asking you what will happen?Please explain because i dont understand.Thanks
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Have you read their manifesto?
A new Budget as soon as possible
following the election.
2) Close the deficit over 6 years, not 4. We
would envisage a €3billion adjustment
for the remainder of 2011 (€4.7billion in
a full year), leaving us with a deficit of
€15.7billion in 2012.
3) Restructuring the bank debts, including
burning the bank bondholders in those
banks which are insolvent, including
Anglo Irish Bank. This will ensure tax
raised is spent on Irish public services
– not servicing or paying off the debt
incurred for bailing out the banks.
4)
Initiate a responsible wind-down of
NAMA.
5) A €7billion job-creation programme
spread over 3.5 years with the aim of
saving and creating more than 160,000
jobs funded by a once-off transfer from
the National Pension Reserve Fund
and which we would use for a stimulus
instead of transferring its reserves into
the banks
Sounds very plausible and fair to me.Doesnt look like they sinking our ship but more stabilizing it without control from outside.http://www.sinnfein.ie/files/SF_GeneralElectionManifesto2011.pdf
On a side note i miss the punt
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Have you read their manifesto?
A new Budget as soon as possible
following the election.
2) Close the deficit over 6 years, not 4. We would envisage a €3billion adjustment for the remainder of 2011 (€4.7billion in a full year), leaving us with a deficit of €15.7billion in 2012.
3) Restructuring the bank debts, including burning the bank bondholders in those banks which are insolvent, including Anglo Irish Bank. This will ensure tax
raised is spent on Irish public services – not servicing or paying off the debt incurred for bailing out the banks.
4) Initiate a responsible wind-down of NAMA.
5) A €7billion job-creation programme spread over 3.5 years with the aim of saving and creating more than 160,000 jobs funded by a once-off transfer from the National Pension Reserve Fund and which we would use for a stimulus instead of transferring its reserves into the banks
Sounds very plausible and fair to me.Doesnt look like they sinking our ship but more stabilizing it without control from outside.http://www.sinnfein.ie/files/SF_GeneralElectionManifesto2011.pdf
On a side note i miss the punt
The introduction of a 1% Wealth Tax. This would be an income-linked Wealth Tax for high-earners levied on their assets over €1million in value, excluding working farmland.
I have a funny feeling why other members do not like this one lol.
The introduction of a third tax rate of 48% on individual income in excess of three times the average industrial wage (€100,000) per annum.
The bit in bold, is that the same National Pension Reserve Fund that SF want to use to pay our budget deficit this year?Obviously it is our only NPRF and it is just short of covering this years deficit if they implement point 2 above so SFs plan is pure crap, based on spending the same money twice0 -
And once the nprs is raided the €19 billion comes from where now?Have you read their manifesto?
A new Budget as soon as possible
following the election.
2) Close the deficit over 6 years, not 4. We
would envisage a €3billion adjustment
for the remainder of 2011 (€4.7billion in
a full year), leaving us with a deficit of
€15.7billion in 2012.
3) Restructuring the bank debts, including
burning the bank bondholders in those
banks which are insolvent, including
Anglo Irish Bank. This will ensure tax
raised is spent on Irish public services
– not servicing or paying off the debt
incurred for bailing out the banks.
4)
Initiate a responsible wind-down of
NAMA.
5) A €7billion job-creation programme
spread over 3.5 years with the aim of
saving and creating more than 160,000
jobs funded by a once-off transfer from
the National Pension Reserve Fund
and which we would use for a stimulus
instead of transferring its reserves into
the banks
Sounds very plausible and fair to me.Doesnt look like they sinking our ship but more stabilizing it without control from outside.http://www.sinnfein.ie/files/SF_GeneralElectionManifesto2011.pdf
On a side note i miss the punt
The introduction of a 1% Wealth Tax. This
would be an income-linked Wealth Tax
for high-earners levied on their assets
over €1million in value, excluding working
farmland.
I have a funny feeling why other members do not like this one lol.
The introduction of a third tax rate of
48% on individual income in excess of
three times the average industrial wage
(€100,000) per annum.
They're raising a couple of billion on extra tax only and reversing the cuts.
They still have to borrow and rise the national debt year by year running the country as if nothing has happened and we still have 2007 national income.
That won't be allowed as the bond markets won't give it.
Incidently also how many job losses do they envisage from the merger of aib and boi?
The whole thing is a 1 legged stool.0 -
I mean what if we stay with them and the economy doesnt pick up and we keep losing? I am asking you what will happen?Please explain because i dont understand.Thanks
Probably we renegotiate and get more - if we are refused, well, I am not sure anyone knows the answer to that, but it would not be good.
The problem with Sinn Fein's policy is not that it is up against wonderful plans with certain outcomes. It's simply that is gives no time for recovery.
In the mess we are in, or whatever somewhat lesser renegotiated mess a new government manages to obtain, we have years to get back to some kind of even keel, and we have a government that HAS to focus on getting out of it and not go off on a tangent, because the IMF and the ECB are at our backs watching the situation pretty much daily.
They have access to money we simply cannot get access to at the moment, so we are able to function as a country with their help. That is not in any sense a happy situation, but it's a reality.
The problem (or one of them) with the Sinn Fein plan is that it is heavily dependant on the (finite) money in the Pension Reserve Fund, both to pay for current spending and to act as a stimulus. This money WILL run out within a year. Even Sinn Fein admit that. That is a very short time. There would be nobody at out backs or interested in being at our backs. Almost overnight there would be no money to pay public servants or social welfare. The nationalised backs (which is all of them, pretty much) would have no funds, so everyone, every business, every individual with a bank account would be out of funds that day.
They hope in the plan is that the stimulus of €7 billion has a magical effect within, literally, a couple of months, gets the economy going and suddenly a flood of money starts comes in and it all adds up. That is an enormous leap of faith. Way too big to be credible. Especially if at the same time you are now taxing businesses and high earners and overseas companies at a much higher rate than before, because that will lead to job losses, not job gains.0 -
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