anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

danbohan · 08-02-2011 04:48PM

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Defaulting will put us in the economic wilderness for the next 20 to 30 years. After we use up the NPRF covering this years deficit, how do you think we will get money for next year (bearing in mind the bond markets wont give us anything 12 months after we defaulted and they lost billions on us)? The only other option is a €17bn cut for budget 2012 to bring expenditure inline with income, which would destroy the economy.

And as far as another 3 years of cuts finishing us off, we need to get our budget deficit under control. That is the only way we will be able to return to the bond markets, the bailout money gives us four years grace to cut the deficit. SF cant possibly reverse all the cuts they claim they will because this will only increase the deficit. Again where do they think they are going to get the money to pay for an even higher deficit than we have at the minute?

SF know their plan will not work, they know they will not get into government to implement any of it, they are just appling to the gulible to win support.

all partys know their plans will not work, they know when they get into government they wont have to implement any of it, they are just appealing to the gulible to win support

sharkie66 · 08-02-2011 04:52PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Again this is hyprocrasy. The rate of poverty in Northern Ireland where Sinn Fein are in power is higher than in the republic.

See the links

http://www.socialinclusion.ie/poverty.html#howcan

http://www.poverty.org.uk/i01/index.shtml?2

Also have a look at this link showing poverty to be higher in Northern Ireland where Sinn Fein are in power to any other region in the UK or Ireland.

http://www.innovations-report.com/html/reports/social_sciences/report-39840.html

Ahem, Surfista,
Sinn Fein are in power in the north after a long struggle. Many even today cannot abide the fact that they are in power including a good many of the posters on this site! The point is that Sinn Fein did achive what they set out to do and still have a lot more to do regarding social justice and equality for all the citizens on this tiny island of ours. Have you ever asked yourself why poverty is higher in the north than down here?

Could it be that for the last God knows how long the Brits and their supporters ran the place into ruin with discrimination and apartheid while spending billions on a corrupt killer security service? If the Brits had given equal right to their so called citizens then this would never have happened. Poverty may even have been eliminated, who know what could have been achieved with all that money!

More drivel from you and the hearsay facts you put up as links will never change the basic fact that a huge injustice was done to your fellow brothers and sister in the north of this country while you looked on sheepishly, never once denouncing the corrupt established bigoted parties which were in the business of protecting their cosy jobs and caring little for the citizens of a failed entity namely Norn Iron!

Cal_Egle · 08-02-2011 04:53PM

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

First of all, SF are fighting this election based on the promise they will reject the IMF bailout deal altogether, not renogotiate it. SF are not looking to get any kind of deal. Are you suggesting that SF are lying to the electorate, hoping to win seats based on the promise of rejecting the bailout, and then are going to renegotiate it like at the other parties say they will? So SF are fighting the election based on the mother of all empty promises? Unless this is the case, SF will not "be offered the best deal", they will not be offered any deal.

As far as SF getting the best deal, we have nothing the IMF want so we have practically no bargaining position. The best we can do is play ball. FG and Lab will get a much better deal than SF because they are willing to work with the IMF to reduce our deficit and get our public finances under control.

Sooner or later, you will all see that SF are the only party being honest with the electorate... Every other one of the parties are lieing through their teeth to you and you are all being taken in... You do not have to respect SF's economic policies (some of their policies are very very valid, and will help the country, and i will admit, some of them have not been thought through properly, and 4 years in opposition will halp them close these remaining gaps).... but face it, who will you listen to FF, FG, Labour, Greens all lieing through their teeth to you and selling Ireland out to appease our EU masters and will sign Ireland up in full to paying for the private banks stupidity (and after they have done their deal with the EU, coming back to Ireland with the "New" deal in their hands saying "Peace in our time", when we all know that we are taking out a mortgage on a country that is in negative equity through no fault of the Irish people).
You have the old-guard parties, who have signed themselves up for massive wages in the Dail, massive pensions, and they dont deserve it...

FG yesterday said that they will cap the Taoiseachs salary at 200k ... who the hell do they think they are paying themselves these sort of wages with our money... and yet, you will keep voting for them...
FF promised to end croneyism and put the best people in the elections for their party (and who did they put up for election in Offaly in place of Cowen, you guessed it... another Cowen, who i have been told is a crook... so much for the new start in FF and the end of croneyism).. and dont forget about Monsieur Martin taking the 90k redundancy for losing his ministerial post... refusing point blank to give it up... Our money... WTF?? and 1/5 people will still vote for this corrupt organisation.
Labour: Ask Eamonn if his wife donated the 500k paid to her by the state, fr a piece of land worth less than 50k.... Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely...
The Greens: Please dont get me started... They are soooo hooked up on power that they said they will share gvernment with absolutely any paty that will let them join government... (and dont forget about their pay-offs from their ministerial jobs).

The truth is... SF have declared they will cap all salaries in the Dail at a maximum of 100k (and that would be the Taoiseachs wage)... and they are not talking through their a*s like the other parties... Their current TDs only allow themselves a salary equivalent to the average industria wage so that they remain grounded to the reality of normal peoples lives... That to me is "honest to god" leading by example... like i said, i dont agree with all their policies, but i think it will be a good start to have them as the primary opposition party to embarass the next government into being honest with us all, ending the gravy train for all the established parties in the Dail. You may not agree with their policies, but at least respect that they are Genuinely trying to change how our governments work. If you cant see that, then pity you and we will be having the same conversations on this website in 4 years time, after the next government dont deliver any positive benefits to anyone except the EU and themselves.....

caseyann · 08-02-2011 04:55PM

LordSutch wrote: »

Oh dear!

Surely a bit more thought should be put into who you are voting for?

Why does there even need be anymore thought put into it?lol if someone wants to vote merely because for no other reason they feel better voting for SF then let them be.They have every right to ignore the ff,fg, etc... fat cats who are have more blood on their hands of Irish people then anyone now.Suicides left right and center.I am sure those people voted those lousy pieces of suit who lied and cheated and slapped themselves on their backs for their own pay packet.
Anyone who is still willing to take those horrendous wages for getting fat and watching the country fall apart,and again even though they were warned should not receive one vote.
But i dismay as so many still blinded voters just because figures dont add up for them will vote back in the mafia.

Xclusiv Barber · 08-02-2011 04:59PM

sharkie66 wrote: »

From what I can see in your posts about SF maybe your brain was very much elsewhere! Sinn Fein will do well in this election and remember that even seven seats is enough to gain speakers rights in the Dail. I suspect that you will be haring a lot more from Sinn Fein in the very near future so you might as well accept that Sinn Fein is on the way up whether you like it or not. :eek:

Sinn Fein all the way to sort out those corrupt fuddermuckers who destroyed this country.

the personal insults are not necessary. Listen here sonny, I dont come in here and personally disrespect you. Addressing your point,
as a taxpaying businessman father of five who is well up on his politics, (tho i dont no why i had 12in my head instead of 5seats-apologies, perhaps too many late nights juggling bills.and children) i will be the first to come on here and concede i'm wrong in the event that sinn fein gain more than seven seats. I am sure equally you will be on to concede you are wrong if and when they do not. I have no issue with sinn fein having speakers rights. I'm happy to listen to what they have to say, which i do, and then respectfully disagree, which i do. Its a democracy.

sharkie66 · 08-02-2011 04:59PM

fred252 wrote: »

so what would you be doing if another party had knocked on your door also? toss a coin then i guess.

Fred, there is another thread on boards.ie where you can freely abuse SF without running the risk of offending people who have the guts to answer the thread's question and state the party they intend to vote for.

If you really feel the need to ridicule posters then at least try and be civil. :eek:

Thanks,

By the way I intend to vote for Sinn Fein as they are the only party to stand up to the criminal bankers/EI/IMF and FF. Please don't offend me for making this public, ta bud.

kincsem · 08-02-2011 05:05PM

Their economic policy has a "magic beans" ring to it, so no. And Fianna Fail are not good at the sums either. So I'm looking for someone else.

jammyhog · 08-02-2011 05:10PM

kincsem wrote: »

Their economic policy has a "magic beans" ring to it, so no. And Fianna Fail are not good at the sums either. So I'm looking for someone else.

as opposed to the baked beans(we'll all be living on) policies of FG and Labour?

sharkie66 · 08-02-2011 05:10PM

Xclusiv Barber wrote: »

the personal insults are not necessary. Listen here sonny, I dont come in here and personally disrespect you. Addressing your point,
as a taxpaying businessman father of five who is well up on his politics, (tho i dont no why i had 12in my head instead of 5seats-apologies, perhaps too many late nights juggling bills.and children) i will be the first to come on here and concede i'm wrong in the event that sinn fein gain more than seven seats. I am sure equally you will be on to concede you are wrong if and when they do not. I have no issue with sinn fein having speakers rights. I'm happy to listen to what they have to say, which i do, and then respectfully disagree, which i do. Its a democracy.

Sorry, but where did I issue a personal insult? You are making a mountain out of a molehill! I am not in the business of upsetting people, couldn't be bothered actually but when I see some of the anti-SF diatribe thrown at posters who have the guts to post their voting preferences it really gets my goat up as they say up in the Cooley mountains! Can't you guys just accept that some of us have different views and leave it at that? What is the point in dissing us? It only results in people falling out or worse. So if I hurt your feelings I am sorry but all we ask for here is some form of acceptance, that's all.

Beir Bua:)

ILA · 08-02-2011 05:14PM

Yep, and giving my time and donating any money I can spare to their election campaign. Despite the usual people hear, the response on the doorsteps is fantastic.

johnie89 · 08-02-2011 05:15PM

I find it very annoying when people scoff at the idea of SF being in government.
They have NEVER been in power, they have NEVER been given the chance to show how good or how bad they would be at running the country.

I'm personally hoping for a coalition between Labor, SF and the United left alliance.

In this country we have ALWAYS had a rightist government (Or a rightist lead coalition). I firmly believe that having a left/centrist government will bring change for the better. Not only that but the best form of change.

Look to the past, FF and FG are generally essentially the same. I would consider FG to be the better party overall because of the contributions of Garret FitzGerald and the sheer scum that was Charles Haughey.

Imagine an Ireland with a left-wing government in power. Eamon Gilmore as our leader and David Norris as our President.

Cal_Egle · 08-02-2011 05:17PM

Xclusiv Barber wrote: »

the personal insults are not necessary. Listen here sonny, I dont come in here and personally disrespect you. Addressing your point,
as a taxpaying businessman father of five who is well up on his politics, (tho i dont no why i had 12in my head instead of 5seats-apologies, perhaps too many late nights juggling bills.and children) i will be the first to come on here and concede i'm wrong in the event that sinn fein gain more than seven seats. I am sure equally you will be on to concede you are wrong if and when they do not. I have no issue with sinn fein having speakers rights. I'm happy to listen to what they have to say, which i do, and then respectfully disagree, which i do. Its a democracy.

I 100% respect that you are self employed and keeping money in this country, trying to build a business .... , i am guessing you would rather vote for FF, FG, Labour, who have alll out-sourced their election campaigns to the US (so much for keeping jobs in Ireland)... It was SF that embarassed the FF party into a U-Turn on out-sourcing the government print contracts for the last 12 months... The government said that they were obliged under EU law to put all government contracts out to tender for anyone in the EU to put in bids .... SF were the party that came up with the idea of not putting any contracts for over 3 million out for tender, ie breaking up the bigger contracts into smaller contracts worth less than 3 million... Thus avoiding the EU law conflict and managing to keep the jobs/contracts here in Ireland ... why didnt the other parties come up with this simple, effective, legal mechanism?? FF admitted it was SF that came up with this idea in 2010 and they implemented the idea for all government contracts that arose after this in August. The truth is that the other parties do not have any imagination, they are not living in our reality. They dont give a crap about us... surely as a businessman you must respect this... Its simple economics 101, you do not out-source jobs to Europe, when you can give employment to Irish people. As i said in a previous post, please do not think for one second that i agree with ALL SF's policies, but damn it, dontsay they are all bad... none of the other parties are thinking laterally on how to get out of the mess we are in, and right now, we need some lateral thinking....

danbohan · 08-02-2011 05:18PM

johnie89 wrote: »

I find it very annoying when people scoff at the idea of SF being in government.
They have NEVER been in power, they have NEVER been given the chance to show how good or how bad they would be at running the country.

I'm personally hoping for a coalition between Labor, SF and the United left alliance.

In this country we have ALWAYS had a rightist government (Or a rightist lead coalition). I firmly believe that having a left/centrist government will bring change for the better. Not only that but the best form of change.

Look to the past, FF and FG are generally essentially the same. I would consider FG to be the better party overall because of the contributions of Garret FitzGerald and the sheer scum that was Charles Haughey.

Imagine an Ireland with a left-wing government in power. Eamon Gilmore as our leader and David Norris as our President.

Imagine an Ireland with a left-wing government in power. Eamon Gilmore as our leader and David Norris as our President.

indeed , scary prospect actully

Zubeneschamali · 08-02-2011 05:24PM

johnie89 wrote: »

I find it very annoying when people scoff at the idea of SF being in government.

Yes, let's imagine Gerry Adams as Minister for Justice!

Pete_Cavan · 08-02-2011 05:25PM

Cal_Egle wrote: »

Sooner or later, you will all see that SF are the only party being honest with the electorate... Every other one of the parties are lieing through their teeth to you and you are all being taken in... You do not have to respect SF's economic policies (some of their policies are very very valid, and will help the country, and i will admit, some of them have not been thought through properly, and 4 years in opposition will halp them close these remaining gaps).... but face it, who will you listen to FF, FG, Labour, Greens all lieing through their teeth to you and selling Ireland out to appease our EU masters and will sign Ireland up in full to paying for the private banks stupidity (and after they have done their deal with the EU, coming back to Ireland with the "New" deal in their hands saying "Peace in our time", when we all know that we are taking out a mortgage on a country that is in negative equity through no fault of the Irish people).
You have the old-guard parties, who have signed themselves up for massive wages in the Dail, massive pensions, and they dont deserve it...

FG yesterday said that they will cap the Taoiseachs salary at 200k ... who the hell do they think they are paying themselves these sort of wages with our money... and yet, you will keep voting for them...
FF promised to end croneyism and put the best people in the elections for their party (and who did they put up for election in Offaly in place of Cowen, you guessed it... another Cowen, who i have been told is a crook... so much for the new start in FF and the end of croneyism).. and dont forget about Monsieur Martin taking the 90k redundancy for losing his ministerial post... refusing point blank to give it up... Our money... WTF?? and 1/5 people will still vote for this corrupt organisation.
Labour: Ask Eamonn if his wife donated the 500k paid to her by the state, fr a piece of land worth less than 50k.... Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely...
The Greens: Please dont get me started... They are soooo hooked up on power that they said they will share gvernment with absolutely any paty that will let them join government... (and dont forget about their pay-offs from their ministerial jobs).

The truth is... SF have declared they will cap all salaries in the Dail at a maximum of 100k (and that would be the Taoiseachs wage)... and they are not talking through their a*s like the other parties... Their current TDs only allow themselves a salary equivalent to the average industria wage so that they remain grounded to the reality of normal peoples lives... That to me is "honest to god" leading by example... like i said, i dont agree with all their policies, but i think it will be a good start to have them as the primary opposition party to embarass the next government into being honest with us all, ending the gravy train for all the established parties in the Dail. You may not agree with their policies, but at least respect that they are Genuinely trying to change how our governments work. If you cant see that, then pity you and we will be having the same conversations on this website in 4 years time, after the next government dont deliver any positive benefits to anyone except the EU and themselves.....

Once again economics is avoided. Several times on this thread I have asked SF supporters to explain to me how the economic policies of SF can work seeing as they are obviously convinced they can work (cos why else would you vote for them). Every time they ignore the economics and go off on the same tangent as Doherty et al when they are asked these same questions. Clearly no one believes SFs policy can work (not even Doherty) and they will only do more damage to the economy.

Buceph · 08-02-2011 05:28PM

sharkie66 wrote: »

Fred, there is another thread on boards.ie where you can freely abuse SF without running the risk of offending people who have the guts to answer the thread's question and state the party they intend to vote for.

If you really feel the need to ridicule posters then at least try and be civil. :eek:

Thanks,

By the way I intend to vote for Sinn Fein as they are the only party to stand up to the criminal bankers/EI/IMF and FF..

Out of curiousity, what crimes did they break?

I know Michael McGrath sent the Finance Committees findings to the Guards and DPP, but I haven't heard of anything since. I also know he said that any bankers who interfere with the investigation should be prosecuted. But with regards to "the bankers" in general, I haven't heard of criminal proceedings.

fred252 · 08-02-2011 05:28PM

sharkie66 wrote: »

Fred, there is another thread on boards.ie where you can freely abuse SF without running the risk of offending people who have the guts to answer the thread's question and state the party they intend to vote for.

If you really feel the need to ridicule posters then at least try and be civil. :eek:

Thanks,

By the way I intend to vote for Sinn Fein as they are the only party to stand up to the criminal bankers/EI/IMF and FF. Please don't offend me for making this public, ta bud.

how was that abusing SF?

btw excluding each party's view on the ECB/IMF bailout who would you be voting for?

danbohan · 08-02-2011 05:44PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Yes, let's imagine Gerry Adams as Minister for Justice!

considering some of the past minsters for justice we had from louth should be ok , its gilmore as taoiseach i find disturbing not to mention sir norris in the park

Tragedy · 08-02-2011 05:47PM

In 2008 Brian Lenihan claimed €9,819.99 expenses, Brian Cowen €18,708.16, Micheál Martin €9,819.99, Enda Kenny €75,464.98, Eamon Gilmore €31,766.27 and the four SF TD's claimed €243,567.28 between them.

Anyone else a bit amused at the amount the SF TDs claimed?

Cal_Egle · 08-02-2011 05:51PM

danbohan wrote: »

Imagine an Ireland with a left-wing government in power. Eamon Gilmore as our leader and David Norris as our President.

indeed , scary prospect actully

I think i am going to die laughing ... Can i ask, what is scarier than having the IMF in Ireland after the most right wing government ran this country into insolvency and bankruptcy.... Are you saying this in jest ? How can any government be worse ? I remember at the last election, FG, Labour and FF were all out-bidding eachother on how little they could tax the workers... am i not right on this? SF were the only party telling the government and the people that the Housing Stamp duty could not be relied upon to sustain public spending and were asking the government to increase taxes in other areas.... Did anyone listn to them? No... they were ridiculed then .... as "Traitors" for talking down the housing bubble. Now this time around, SF are clearly stating that we will default on the mortgage that Ireland is being told to take out, because we cannot afford it... the other bigger parties diasagree ... even though every economist outside of Ireland (and some of our own like David McWillians) are being crytsal clear in saying that we cannot afford to take on Europes Bank debts as our own...
If SF got their way, and this is the very heart of what they want....
1) They would go to the EU, tell them we (Ireland) are not taking their money to pay for the banks ....
2) They will tell the EU, that the Banking debt in Ireland is Europes problem ... The Debt MUST be federalised, ie put into a Toxic bank in Europe, along with all the other countries that have these "Bad" debts.
3) Increase the Bank Tax rate for all the Banks in Europe to pay down this debt and take the burden off the Citizens of peripheral countries.

In reality, if this was done, we would not be asking the EU for 65billion.

We do have a problem with Fiscal overspending.... and Sinn Fein are right in this regard... we MUST cut the debt level down to < 3%, and we must do it quickly (over the next 3 years).
But if we got the initial banking issue addressed by getting the EU federal banking debt issue off our books, then think about this scenario ....

1) In 18 months time , we have cut our yearly spend by 4 billion... so we are only asking the bond market to lend us 14 billion to capitalise the country. We are not deflating the economy as much as FG/Labour/FF want to do ... we start to see growth again, because we have implemented stimulus projects (using our own National Pension reserve fund, which is currently going to be given to the EU to pay off the EU Federal Banking problem).
2) In 18 months, we have Genuine growth, our Tax income is genuinely rising (and not through PAYE or universal Service charge increases for anyone earning less than 100k per year)... People have confidence again to start spending a little (rather than squirelling away any savings they have)...
3) in 18 months, The bond market will react very very positively to us and lend us money at reasonable rates (approx 5%) which is still less than the 5.8% our friends in the EU want us to pay, and we will only be borrowing what we need... ie not borrowing to pay down the EU Federal banking debt. This will be the equivalent of not having to pay 3-5 billion in interest (INTEREST, you heard right, that is what FF/FG/Labour want us to pay, no bull*hit)...
4) With genuine growth and eliminating waste (SF have also stated that they would cut as many jobs from the Public sector as is considered surplus to requirements... (in truth, i would like to see more than the 2000 they are suggesting right now)... combined with Taxing the very wealthiest in our country by an extra 5% we will see the Tax increase improve again.... By the way, FF/FG have always maintained a system whereby the wealthiest in the country can avoid paying Tax... how the hell is this fair... FF/FG have a vested interest in maintaining this (and now so do Labour). Have you wondered how Labour intend paying back the 1 million Euro bank loan they have just taken out to pay for this election campaign???

Please, if you are undecided... read everything i have written in my last few blogs and try to see what is being done to us..... FF/FG/Labour are only out for themselves as political parties... they do not have our best interests at heart...

Cal_Egle · 08-02-2011 05:54PM

Tragedy wrote: »

In 2008 Brian Lenihan claimed €9,819.99 expenses, Brian Cowen €18,708.16, Micheál Martin €9,819.99, Enda Kenny €75,464.98, Eamon Gilmore €31,766.27 and the four SF TD's claimed €243,567.28 between them.

Anyone else a bit amused at the amount the SF TDs claimed?

Pleae show us where you got this information from... if you cant show it/prove it, then i am guessing you are one of the FF/FG/Labour party members in here to spread lies and disinformation... if you can prove it, i promise you i will stand outside the SF offices and demonstrate against them. ie put up or shut up

danbohan · 08-02-2011 05:56PM

Tragedy wrote: »

In 2008 Brian Lenihan claimed €9,819.99 expenses, Brian Cowen €18,708.16, Micheál Martin €9,819.99, Enda Kenny €75,464.98, Eamon Gilmore €31,766.27 and the four SF TD's claimed €243,567.28 between them.

Anyone else a bit amused at the amount the SF TDs claimed?

proof ? link ?

Cal_Egle · 08-02-2011 05:57PM

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Once again economics is avoided. Several times on this thread I have asked SF supporters to explain to me how the economic policies of SF can work seeing as they are obviously convinced they can work (cos why else would you vote for them). Every time they ignore the economics and go off on the same tangent as Doherty et al when they are asked these same questions. Clearly no one believes SFs policy can work (not even Doherty) and they will only do more damage to the economy.

Sorry dude, have a read of my last entry... :cool:

Cal_Egle · 08-02-2011 05:59PM

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Once again economics is avoided. Several times on this thread I have asked SF supporters to explain to me how the economic policies of SF can work seeing as they are obviously convinced they can work (cos why else would you vote for them). Every time they ignore the economics and go off on the same tangent as Doherty et al when they are asked these same questions. Clearly no one believes SFs policy can work (not even Doherty) and they will only do more damage to the economy.

Just in case you didnt read it... here it is again ...
remember at the last election, FG, Labour and FF were all out-bidding eachother on how little they could tax the workers... am i not right on this? SF were the only party telling the government and the people that the Housing Stamp duty could not be relied upon to sustain public spending and were asking the government to increase taxes in other areas.... Did anyone listn to them? No... they were ridiculed then .... as "Traitors" for talking down the housing bubble. Now this time around, SF are clearly stating that we will default on the mortgage that Ireland is being told to take out, because we cannot afford it... the other bigger parties diasagree ... even though every economist outside of Ireland (and some of our own like David McWillians) are being crytsal clear in saying that we cannot afford to take on Europes Bank debts as our own...
If SF got their way, and this is the very heart of what they want....
1) They would go to the EU, tell them we (Ireland) are not taking their money to pay for the banks ....
2) They will tell the EU, that the Banking debt in Ireland is Europes problem ... The Debt MUST be federalised, ie put into a Toxic bank in Europe, along with all the other countries that have these "Bad" debts.
3) Increase the Bank Tax rate for all the Banks in Europe to pay down this debt and take the burden off the Citizens of peripheral countries.

In reality, if this was done, we would not be asking the EU for 65billion.

We do have a problem with Fiscal overspending.... and Sinn Fein are right in this regard... we MUST cut the debt level down to < 3%, and we must do it quickly (over the next 3 years).
But if we got the initial banking issue addressed by getting the EU federal banking debt issue off our books, then think about this scenario ....

1) In 18 months time , we have cut our yearly spend by 4 billion... so we are only asking the bond market to lend us 14 billion to capitalise the country. We are not deflating the economy as much as FG/Labour/FF want to do ... we start to see growth again, because we have implemented stimulus projects (using our own National Pension reserve fund, which is currently going to be given to the EU to pay off the EU Federal Banking problem).
2) In 18 months, we have Genuine growth, our Tax income is genuinely rising (and not through PAYE or universal Service charge increases for anyone earning less than 100k per year)... People have confidence again to start spending a little (rather than squirelling away any savings they have)...
3) in 18 months, The bond market will react very very positively to us and lend us money at reasonable rates (approx 5%) which is still less than the 5.8% our friends in the EU want us to pay, and we will only be borrowing what we need... ie not borrowing to pay down the EU Federal banking debt. This will be the equivalent of not having to pay 3-5 billion in interest (INTEREST, you heard right, that is what FF/FG/Labour want us to pay, no bull*hit)...
4) With genuine growth and eliminating waste (SF have also stated that they would cut as many jobs from the Public sector as is considered surplus to requirements... (in truth, i would like to see more than the 2000 they are suggesting right now)... combined with Taxing the very wealthiest in our country by an extra 5% we will see the Tax increase improve again.... By the way, FF/FG have always maintained a system whereby the wealthiest in the country can avoid paying Tax... how the hell is this fair... FF/FG have a vested interest in maintaining this (and now so do Labour). Have you wondered how Labour intend paying back the 1 million Euro bank loan they have just taken out to pay for this election campaign???

Please, if you are undecided... read everything i have written in my last few blogs and try to see what is being done to us..... FF/FG/Labour are only out for themselves as political parties... they do not have our best interests at heart...

Tragedy · 08-02-2011 06:04PM

Cal_Egle wrote: »

Pleae show us where you got this information from... if you cant show it/prove it, then i am guessing you are one of the FF/FG/Labour party members in here to spread lies and disinformation... if you can prove it, i promise you i will stand outside the SF offices and demonstrate against them. ie put up or shut up

https://spreadsheets0.google.com/ccc?hl=en_GB&key=t54RwJcgq0IjrqXjly82Pqw&hl=en_GB#gid=0

http://thestory.ie/2010/06/02/td-expenses-2005-to-2008/

I expect your protest to start as soon as possible.

Pete_Cavan · 08-02-2011 06:05PM

Cal_Egle wrote: »

Sorry dude, have a read of my last entry... :cool:

I read it alright, no explanation as to who the NPRF can be used to pay for the deficit and a stimulus package when there is only enough in it to cover the deficit (SFs entire plan falls apart right there). Also, you failed to address the issue of how we will cover our deficit next year when we have no money of our own left and we cant go into the bond markets. Thanks for the apology btw,

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takun · 08-02-2011 06:14PM

Last published payment are for December 2010 (The Dail sat for 8 days in December).

http://www.oireachtas.ie/ViewDoc.asp?DocId=-1&CatID=169&m=m

The 4 Sinn Fein TDs claimed €17,305 that month, annualised that would be €207,660. The above mentioned other 4 claimed €9134 between them.

KELTICKNIGHTT · 08-02-2011 06:14PM

this sf stuff is getting old,the policy's wont work,everyone only there supporters know this,not worth wasting any more time on sf ,there supporter and followers and even some of party are here putting out there stuff but no solutions that will work in today world,,they still have put out policy's that will work in the real world ,all they do as supporter do is talk about what other party's say or will do but no real policy's ,the policy s they put forward will bankrupt Ireland,tells us there in experience too be in a government,you just have too look at there candidates the thread is about will you vote for sf,thats it
sf needs too address there policy's, as they would be worse management than Anglo bank was .sf are not a consideration in any government as they have a long way too go ,bully strategy has no place in southern Ireland and we part of europe whether sf likes it or not and Ireland can leave Europe for a whole load of reasons,we have too work within Europe,sf needs too know and learn this,then put out policy's that will work,they haven't so far,

Tragedy · 08-02-2011 06:17PM

takun wrote: »

Last published payment are for December 2010

http://www.oireachtas.ie/ViewDoc.asp?DocId=-1&CatID=169&m=m

The 4 Sinn Fein TDs claimed €17,305 that month (The Dail sat for 8 days in December).

Annualised that would be €207,660.

What about Pearse Doherty? €5,107.

Cal_Egle · 08-02-2011 06:19PM

Tragedy wrote: »

https://spreadsheets0.google.com/ccc?hl=en_GB&key=t54RwJcgq0IjrqXjly82Pqw&hl=en_GB#gid=0

http://thestory.ie/2010/06/02/td-expenses-2005-to-2008/

I expect your protest to start as soon as possible.

Are you trying to be funny.... are you a FF/FG/Labour member?
I just pivot tabled the expenses on the first link you sent above... and only 1 SF member is on the list (Martin Ferris)... check it yourself...
He submitted expenses of 78k in that year. and i personally think he should explain that, even though he wasnt the worst offender....
I meant what i said... i am not a liar, and i dont spread disinformation, please chec your sources thoroughly before spreading your views as fact... sorry, either you cant add up your sums, or you are just lieing for one of the bigger parties (I am not sure which).
Row LabelsExpenses OnlySheehan P.J.87723.86Breen Pat87283.54Kenneally Brendan85078.16Ferris Martin78555.32Flynn Beverley77638.74Fahey Frank77349.21Cregan John77032.58Lowry Michael76783.99McCormack Padraic76642.19O'Keeffe Ned75706.27Allen Bernard75538.91McGrath Mattie75483.83Kenny Enda75464.98Dooley Timmy75149.09Perry John74810.13Moynihan Michael74677.17Hayes Tom74529.86Blaney Niall73767.23Fleming Sean73530.05O'Flynn Noel73099.31Healy-Rae Jackie72777.76

anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

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