would you vote for FF/GREENS?

newby.204 · 05-02-2011 02:00AM #1

How could anybody in there right mind actually be thinking of voting for either a FF or GREEN party TD? I mean if a job is performance based, and surely being in government is, they would have been sacked a long time ago had we of been able to!!! I would actually like to hear from anybody who is seriously going to vote for FF/GP and why you think they could possibly do a better job this time round? Or is it a case of "better the devil you know"

Fouloleron · 05-02-2011 02:19AM

I won't as I am no fool

wyndham · 05-02-2011 02:20AM

One word- Potholes

Oasis_Dublin · 05-02-2011 02:22AM

I would give the Greens a vote. I think they have some good policies and I think it's a shame that they finally partook in a government with a partner as horrific as FF.

newby.204 · 05-02-2011 02:29AM

I would have to disagree I don't think the greens have any usefull policies, I think they live in a dreamworld as far as their policies are concerned I don't wish to see them re-elected.

mgmt · 05-02-2011 02:30AM

Oasis_Dublin wrote: »

I would give the Greens a vote. I think they have some good policies and I think it's a shame that they finally partook in a government with a partner as horrific as FF.

You like their carbon taxes?
You like the high cost of your ESB bill cause your subsidising wind power?
You like having to pay twice for can/van insurance?

femur61 · 05-02-2011 07:09AM

Oasis_Dublin wrote: »

I would give the Greens a vote. I think they have some good policies and I think it's a shame that they finally partook in a government with a partner as horrific as FF.

No.

1) Carbon tax

2) Implemented law so my husband whose redundant van cannot bring one child to football because I am using the car to bring the other to swimming. Stuck in rural Ireland we have no neighbours so now we say to the children "no you can't go to your activity because the greens said we can't take you because I have to go in the opposite direction so daddy can't take you in the van".

3) Van is redundant because no work but still pay the tax in case work does come in because they stood by FF.

Cosmo K · 05-02-2011 07:46AM

And the Greens forced you, to buy a house in the middle of nowhere?

Chinasea · 05-02-2011 07:50AM

I will vote Greens - I am not a fair weather Green voter. You either believe in their policies or not.

Fair weather Green voters are of no use really as they follow trends (as was fashionable in the last election) as opposed to believing in the virtues of a Green Life style. Unfortunately but not surprisingly looking at the prevalent ‘me fein’ attitude in Ireland we shall never be Green.

Geezer1000 · 05-02-2011 08:04AM

I will vote for whoever is furthest away from the greens. Shower of looneys with zero grasp on reality

femur61 · 05-02-2011 08:07AM

Cosmo K wrote: »

And the Greens forced you, to buy a house in the middle of nowhere?

Sorry I can choose where I live, beside my family in the community I grew up in I don't my kids to play in the street. I have lived in New York, London, Dublin, I am sick of urban live and want some peace and quiet. When we moved there was no law dictating what we could drive.

Arnold Layne · 05-02-2011 08:15AM

Cosmo K wrote: »

And the Greens forced you, to buy a house in the middle of nowhere?

The Greens forced me to pay higher taxes through NAMA for the sake of a few Stags

NIMAN · 05-02-2011 08:17AM

A definite NO.

I find it hard to believe that anyone could vote for FF at present.

Pimlico · 05-02-2011 08:29AM

I have never voted FF, so I definitely won't be tempted to change my mind this time around.

I reckon that there is still a lot of people out there though that will swear blind that they won't be voting FF, yet come Election Day they actually will.

Tarobot · 05-02-2011 08:38AM

Oasis_Dublin wrote: »

I would give the Greens a vote. I think they have some good policies and I think it's a shame that they finally partook in a government with a partner as horrific as FF.

What else is a small party supposed to do? I don't see much difference between FF and FG. I have never voted for FF but then again I've never voted for FG either.

It's inevitable that a smaller party will have to go into coalition with a larger one. In 2007, FF was getting in one way or the other - either with Labour or the Greens. Labour went into discussions as well so whatever Gilmore says today, Labour was willing to enter into a coalition with FF in 2007.

femur61 wrote: »

Sorry I can choose where I live, beside my family in the community I grew up in I don't my kids to play in the street. I have lived in New York, London, Dublin, I am sick of urban live and want some peace and quiet. When we moved there was no law dictating what we could drive.

Which Green Party policy dictates what you can drive?

UrbanSea · 05-02-2011 08:54AM

Anyone but labour to be honest. I'd rather FF ahead of them. I'd like Fine Gael,if only it was lead by someone else.

That stupid rule on the vans really annoyed me femur,and I don't even drive one.

femur61 · 05-02-2011 09:38AM

Tarobot wrote: »

Which Green Party policy dictates what you can drive?

Read my first post.

johngalway · 05-02-2011 09:48AM

No, not ever for either.

Tarobot · 05-02-2011 09:48AM

femur61 wrote: »

Read my first post.

That policy already existed. The Dept of Environment merely issued a circular to all local authorities on the issue. Even Conor Faughnan of the AA apologised for misinterpreting the situation:

Newspaper stories this morning (24th August) implied that motor tax rules for commercial vehicles would be changed and that drivers of commercial vehicles would face ‘fines or even imprisonment’ if they used their vehicles for non-commercial, domestic or pleasure purposes. This presented the prospect that a plumber or carpenter could be fined for driving his van to mass on a Sunday, a prospect that the AA denounced as unfair and unenforceable.

The AA has received clarification from the Department of the Environment subsequently which makes it clear that there is no change to existing regulations.

http://blog.aaireland.ie/?p=347

The original regulation was introduced in 1993 under Michael Smith as Minister for the Environment (I might add during the 27th Dail when FF and Labour were in government together):

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1992/en/si/0385.html

bamboozle · 05-02-2011 09:51AM

so to rephrase the question, would i vote for the idiots at the helm of the sinking ship for the last number of years?

NO

let the teacher's get back teaching and lets have a government with qualified professionals, imagine having economists, barristers, doctors, accountants etc in our front bench....rather than 6 out of 15 who were teachers in the last govt.

Judgement Day · 05-02-2011 09:54AM

johngalway wrote: »

No, not ever for either.

There's a surprise then - in relation to the Greens.

windsurfer99ie · 05-02-2011 10:22AM

Pimlico wrote: »

I have never voted FF, so I definitely won't be tempted to change my mind this time around.

I reckon that there is still a lot of people out there though that will swear blind that they won't be voting FF, yet come Election Day they actually will.

Only the naive believe that FG / Labour or whoever will make any real difference. All the major parties supported joining the euro, and that is where we went wrong. We got cheap money when we needed to raise interest rates. Once the crunch started, we needed to devalue our currency to protect jobs, but of course we couldn't.

All the opposition has had to these last few years is oppose, and they have failed to convince me (a floating voter) that they have any good ideas for fixing this mess. The talk of renegotiating in Brussels is nonsense - an incoming government will have very little room to manoeuvre. FG and Labour are poles apart and if they form a government, we will end up with a "compromise" that bears little relation to what those two parties are saying at the moment.

FF have undoubtedly made mistakes, but if they had allowed Anglo to collapse we'd all be blaming them for the fact that this then precipitated a crisis in European banking with the result that we were unable to borrow money anywhere and were viewed as pariahs by the international community.

Some people are naive enough to believe that a change of government will make a difference - but many more just want to punish FF and that is understandable.

johngalway · 05-02-2011 10:25AM

Judgement Day wrote: »

There's a surprise then - in relation to the Greens.

Needs better bait.

newby.204 · 05-02-2011 10:26AM

of the people who are supporting the greens, how many of you dont live in an urban centre? And yes it really does matter

Macha · 05-02-2011 10:30AM

newby.204 wrote: »

of the people who are supporting the greens, how many of you dont live in an urban centre? And yes it really does matter

Why?

newby.204 · 05-02-2011 10:39AM

for the most part the "greens" are from urban centres, where it is very easy to tout cycle to work schemes and public transport as the way forward, getting rid of the awful car..... the reality is public transport in this country is a shambles from the bus to rail services if the greens really wanted to implement long lasting green policies they would see to it that such services were in place before ramming such eco friendly ideology down the publics throat, maybe then green policies would be better received!!!

tfitzgerald · 05-02-2011 10:42AM

Oasis_Dublin wrote: »

I would give the Greens a vote. I think they have some good policies and I think it's a shame that they finally partook in a government with a partner as horrific as FF.

I am the exact opposite of this I thing the greens are raving nutcases and I would give fianna fail a vote

newby.204 · 05-02-2011 10:46AM

tfitzgerald wrote: »

I am the exact opposite of this I thing the greens are raving nutcases and I would give fianna fail a vote

imo i think no candidate from either party deserves anyone vote, they did what they did, its time for political accountability in this country, its been a long time coming, if they dont have the common decency to sink away to the shadows where they belong we should make it a cert with our votes

Worztron · 05-02-2011 10:47AM

In the past I always voted for the Greens. Not now though. They threw away most of their principals for a bit of power. They should have pulled out of government over 2 years ago. Shame on them for allowing FF to remain in power for so long. :mad:

femur61 · 05-02-2011 11:19AM

I am curious do majority of Green supporters live in an urban area or rural Ireland?

Liam Byrne · 05-02-2011 11:25AM

Cosmo K wrote: »

And the Greens forced you, to buy a house in the middle of nowhere?

Loving the uppity phrasing!

Care to define "middle of nowhere" ?

would you vote for FF/GREENS?

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