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would you vote for FF/GREENS?
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Yes and as I have said time and again, the 40% of people who gave FF a first preference in 2007 meant that under our democratic system, FF would be in power with one of the smaller parties. So if you want to blame someone, blame that 40% of the electorate. Again, the idea that FG/Labour/Greens could have happened is a lot of "whatif-ery" and was never on the cards. Plus as the party with the most seats, FF had the first right to form a government. Labour had gone into power with FF before and in my opinion it was the larger amount of Labour seats that led to the Greens going in instead.FF will do anything for power. However, the greens allowed themselves to enter power with them knowing full well their history, the potential abuse of power by FF and, given what was happening at the time, the huge negative public perception that would follow.
Well, that's a matter of opinion that we'll have to disagree. I personally think they should have pulled out earlier but the bluster from opposition parties about how they would have done things so differently doesn't hold water, to use your own phrase. Both Labour & FG have committed to continuing with the EU/IMF deal, thus guaranteeing a continuation of the general FF/Green policy in that area, at least.The greens pulled out far too late to make any diffeerence really.
Well, according to your logic, you should only ever vote for FG as they're the only party that has never and will never go into power with FF. Labour entered coalition with FF in the 1990s.As for the line about FF talking to Lab, that doesn't hold too much water when asking if I would vote for the greens. It was the greens who decided to coalesce with the FF.
Phew! It was a struggleGrand - we agree on something. However, it was JG that changed the motor tax rates from a tax on ownership to another tax on ownership (despite the green polluter pays philosophy).
Actually, he adjusted the motor tax rates to a CO2 based system, thus incorporating environmental considerations into the system. The existence of a motor tax is not incompatible with the green philosophy, despite your repeated assertions to the contrary. In terms of where the burden of taxation on vehicles should lie, it clearly should be on the fuel but that doesn't mean a motor tax cannot exist at all.
In addition, motor tax is a significant source of revenue for the government so it's abolition would require an increase in tax intake from other sources to ensure that the move is at least revenue neutral. Given this country's annual budget deficit was somewhere around €19 billion in 2010, I don't think the abolition of motor tax is remotely economically feasible.0 -
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I do blame 40% of people out there that voted created the environment that allowed FF to get back into power. However, like so man people I was not expecting the greens to begin discussions with FF (given Trevor's comments, etc.) and then as I said enter a marriage with the devil.Yes and as I have said time and again, the 40% of people who gave FF a first preference in 2007 meant that under our democratic system, FF would be in power with one of the smaller parties. So if you want to blame someone, blame that 40% of the electorate. Again, the idea that FG/Labour/Greens could have happened is a lot of "whatif-ery" and was never on the cards. Plus as the party with the most seats, FF had the first right to form a government. Labour had gone into power with FF before and in my opinion it was the larger amount of Labour seats that led to the Greens going in instead.
Might we have needed the EU/IMF deal had something been done about things two years ago instead of them watching FF farting around covering the trails between them and Anglo?Well, that's a matter of opinion that we'll have to disagree. I personally think they should have pulled out earlier but the bluster from opposition parties about how they would have done things so differently doesn't hold water, to use your own phrase. Both Labour & FG have committed to continuing with the EU/IMF deal, thus guaranteeing a continuation of the general FF/Green policy in that area, at least.
I don't like any of them TBH.Well, according to your logic, you should only ever vote for FG as they're the only party that has never and will never go into power with FF. Labour entered coalition with FF in the 1990s.
Big changes are needed here politically and not just a change of faces.
Tax on ownership != polluter paysPhew! It was a struggle Actually, he adjusted the motor tax rates to a CO2 based system, thus incorporating environmental considerations into the system. The existence of a motor tax is not incompatible with the green philosophy, despite your repeated assertions to the contrary. In terms of where the burden of taxation on vehicles should lie, it clearly should be on the fuel but that doesn't mean a motor tax cannot exist at all.
So why not one flat rate then? Nobody suggested removing Berties lovely motor tax. It should however be more equitable and not based on potentials.In addition, motor tax is a significant source of revenue for the government so it's abolition would require an increase in tax intake from other sources to ensure that the move is at least revenue neutral. Given this country's annual budget deficit was somewhere around €19 billion in 2010, I don't think the abolition of motor tax is remotely economically feasible.Help Keep Boards Alive. Support us by going ad free today. See here: .
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