anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

sharkie66 · 04-02-2011 01:10AM

leincar wrote: »

Define the 'wealthiest in society'. If you are talking about people on a salary over €100k, I think you are wrong. A lot of these people are suffering. Do you mean over €250k?

What way do you propose to tax these people? If it is a third rate of tax or another income levy, fine most will accept that. Not however, a wealth tax on assets or deposits where tax has already been paid. As I stated previously that is theft.

Leincar,

I won't be taxing anybody! All the information is available on the SF website if you can be bothered to look it up. I can not be expected to answer on behalf of any party!

leincar · 04-02-2011 01:18AM

sharkie66 wrote: »

Leincar,

I won't be taxing anybody! All the information is available on the SF website if you can be bothered to look it up. I can not be expected to answer on behalf of any party!

My oh my, Aren't you all sweetness and light. All information is not available on the Sinn Féin website. (I have bothered to look it up) Also, this is a thread for debating and as I presume you are a supporter of Sinn Féin, I would like your definition of the 'wealthiest in society'.

c montgomery · 04-02-2011 01:28AM

I will not be voting for them. I want my vote to matter and will be voting for a party who have a clear plan on what there going to do but more importantly how their going to do it. I believe Sinn Fein to be economically naive and ignorant and at the moment thats not what the country needs.

Hannibal · 04-02-2011 01:39AM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Gerry Adams was photographed, uniformed as part of an IRA colour party, its not just a man in a funny hat.

When and where was this?
Brendan Hughes who made most of the claims about Adams didnt even support the Peace Process yet all the anti-SF brigade choose to believe him. If there was ever a shred of proof Adams was a member of the IRA he wouldve been convicted no doubt about it. The fact is there's no proof just a unproovable claims by either informants tellings the authoritoes what they want to hear or exProvo's who weren't happy with how the peace process settled down.

SafeSurfer · 04-02-2011 01:53AM

Dotsey wrote: »

When and where was this?
Brendan Hughes who made most of the claims about Adams didnt even support the Peace Process yet all the anti-SF brigade choose to believe him. If there was ever a shred of proof Adams was a member of the IRA he wouldve been convicted no doubt about it. The fact is there's no proof just a unproovable claims by either informants tellings the authoritoes what they want to hear or exProvo's who weren't happy with how the peace process settled down.

So as ever Adams denials are true and everyone elses version of events is false. And we should believe Gerry Adams because he is a man of huge integrity right?

sharkie66 · 04-02-2011 02:02AM

leincar wrote: »

My oh my, Aren't you all sweetness and light. All information is not available on the Sinn Féin website. (I have bothered to look it up) Also, this is a thread for debating and as I presume you are a supporter of Sinn Féin, I would like your definition of the 'wealthiest in society'.

No I think you assumed I was a Sinn Fein supporter but I never said that in any of my posts here so maybe you should be a little careful with your assumptions in the future!

My definition of the wealthiest in society is simple......The richest in society.
Hope this helps you.

I will vote Sinn Fein because they are the only party prepared to kick back at the IMF/EU. Yeah!
beir bua:)

crebel81 · 04-02-2011 02:04AM

theg81der wrote: »

Anyone who`s for Gerry Adams - one thing bothers me, you can say whatever, but would you insult him? Would you watch your words if you spoke with him?

I know what I`d like to say to him when/if he arrives at my door but I`ve been warned not to, everyone is scared to say anything to him...why exactly is that if talk of him being a murderer (ordering murders) is wild unsubstansiated conjecture??

Can I say what I like as I did to the FF`ers that arrived on my door 2 nights ago? I like my freedom and if Sinn Fein grow (which they probably will with a load of idiots and angry young people with nothing to do) I`ll be leaving, I don`t want to raise children in that country.

Wow, thats a very clear statement and may I add, very stereotypical of you.

Scared of what?? come on, let it out...

Have you studied each Sinn Fein supporter or are you one of those many gullible people who believe every bit of tripe they read in the newspapers??...its a question and not a statement...Its not very fair to make statements like that unless you can back it up with some evidence!!!!!!!!!!!!

SafeSurfer · 04-02-2011 02:13AM

crebel81 wrote: »

Wow, thats a very clear statement and may I add, very stereotypical of you.

Scared of what?? come on, let it out...

Have you studied each Sinn Fein supporter or are you one of those many gullible people who believe every bit of tripe they read in the newspapers??...its a question and not a statement...Its not very fair to make statements like that unless you can back it up with some evidence!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well in fairness its not every party that has the guys putting up their posters armed with stun guns, CS gas and fake Garda uniforms.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2005/0221/ira.html

crebel81 · 04-02-2011 02:20AM

Blay wrote: »

I don't intend voting for Sinn Fein in this election nor any election as long as I live.

Their crap about being a changed party and having moved away from being associated with Republican paramilitary groups doesn't convince me when this can be bought on their website.

This is just my opinion and of course everyone is free to vote for who they want be it SF or otherwise but I'd ask them to note that this is what the party is like behind all their rabbling.

O yes, the t-shirt which has below it a quote from hunger striker Bobby Sands who was left to die for fighting for POW status.

How terrible..how could one vote for a party which stood up and would no longer accept the injustices and inequalities which nationalists and republicans endured for centuries at the hands of british forces.

As Miley would have said "Well holy god"

crebel81 · 04-02-2011 02:24AM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Well in fairness its not every party that has the guys putting up their posters armed with stun guns, CS gas and fake Garda uniforms.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2005/0221/ira.html

Correct me if I am wrong but where does it say that posters were being put up by these guys...Assumptions, assumptions....

Are you making a statement here safesurfer?

SafeSurfer · 04-02-2011 02:27AM

crebel81 wrote: »

Correct me if I am wrong but where does it say that posters were being put up by these guys...Assumptions, assumptions....

Are you making a statement here safesurfer?

Are you familiar with Occam's Razor

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor

the_syco · 04-02-2011 02:36AM

Wealth tax:

48% tax on incomes in excess of €100,000

http://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/19445

So, if you earn over €100,000 you'll get taxed an extra 7% ontop of the current 41% tax.

sharkie66 · 04-02-2011 10:21AM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Are you familiar with Occam's Razor

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor

Could you PLEASE stick to the subject of the thread please!

Anyone here going to vote for Sinn Fein?

I am! They are the only party to stick it to the ECB/IMF/EU, a very good reason to vote for them. Yeah!

Razors begob!:eek:

SafeSurfer · 04-02-2011 10:33AM

sharkie66 wrote: »

Could you PLEASE stick to the subject of the thread please!

Anyone here going to vote for Sinn Fein?

I am! They are the only party to stick it to the ECB/IMF/EU, a very good reason to vote for them. Yeah!

Razors begob!:eek:

I am sticking to the subject of the thread sharkie66.

We were discussing why a previous poster would feel intimidated by Sinn Fein canvassers and Crebel81 said this was ridiculous and I replied that why should people putting up Sinn Fein posters be armed with stun guns, CS gas and fake Garda uniforms.

Crebel81 then replied stating that I was assuming the posters and the guys in the van with them were related to which I replied with a link to an explanation of Occam's Razor.

In essence it means that "The simplest explanation is usually the best".

The Razor could be applied to slice through a lot of convoluted explanations, denials and untruths.

leincar · 04-02-2011 10:35AM

sharkie66 wrote: »

No I think you assumed I was a Sinn Fein supporter but I never said that in any of my posts here so maybe you should be a little careful with your assumptions in the future!

My definition of the wealthiest in society is simple......The richest in society.
Hope this helps you.

I will vote Sinn Fein because they are the only party prepared to kick back at the IMF/EU. Yeah!
beir bua:)

I never assume. In fact I looked back at all your previous posts. If, however I was to assume, I could sum you up well enough.

So you still don't answer my basic question. By what measure do you find out who the wealthiest in society in todays Ireland is. Your definition I think was an attempt at sarcasm, but I couldn't be sure.

Sinn Fein's definition seems to be €100,000. At that measure a third rate of tax wil come into effect. I think that the majority of people on or slightly above this figure would suffer greatly.

Now I would measure it at a salary above 250k. Then at what point do Sinn Fein decide on the introduction of a wealth tax.

Do Sinn Fein realise that if there is a sniff that they might enter government after the election results there will be a flight of assets and capital out of this country before the dail has a chance to reconvene. I know, mine will be gone and I'll follow out of the country as soon as the schools break up for the summer holidays.

If, however they decide on a third rate of tax they will really have to be careful on who it will apply to. They can apply it to me. Will it be painful? Yes. Managable? Yes, but to apply it to anyone on less than 150k would be extremely unfair and painful to these people. At a stroke they will have disincentivised the notion of people making a better future for themselves and their families.

Ronan.p · 04-02-2011 10:40AM

I will not be voting for SF for a good reason. A few years ago two men were caught by garda watching a house in crumlin the men were dressed in imitation garda uniforms but the interesting thing is that the van was being
used to put up posters for a certain Aengus o snodaigh during election run up.
I also know certain drug dealers and thiefs that would know him on a first name basis as i had to work along side these people as an apprentice on building sites.
This is all fact and im sure you could probably find the news report on the garda uniforms but i just dont have the time.

sharkie66 · 04-02-2011 10:43AM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

So because these publications are not mouthpieces for official Sinn Fein propaganda the words of the abuse victim who is interviewed and quoted in them is not to be believed?

So statements of other former comrades of Gerry Adams who were also convicted by the RIC/PSNI/RUC/UDR/BSpecials etc should not be believed?

Im sure Martin Ferris, Martin Mc Guinness, John Kelly et al would wonder what you mean exactly by strange bedfellows.

You find it easy to take the word of a former colleague of Mr Adams as gospel but completely disregard Adams when he makes a statement! Wow. What hypocrisy!

I dont see the hypocrisy in this. I choose to believe the word of one person based on evidence and choose to disbelief the word ofMr. Adams based on evidence. This is not hypocrisy.

"I have hundreds of photos of visiting English, French, Italian tourists who all look strangely like fishermen but who knows maybe they are all members of an underground military organization. Then again I wouldn't bait bet on it!:)"

I think you are being facetious here. Gerry Adams was photographed, uniformed as part of an IRA colour party, its not just a man in a funny hat.

Was he arrested and charged for wearing a 'funny hat' as you put it?
Being part of a colour party is not a crime although some would like to see it so!

And why you have hundreds of photographs of visiting English, French, Italian tourists who all look strangely like fishermen, if true is intriguing.

Glad you find it so! By the way, do photographers take photos? Is it so intriguing? Hope this clears things up for you and helps you make the correct decision on election day. Sinn Fein is still an option safesurfer so keep your mind open right up till the last day, good man!

caseyann · 04-02-2011 10:44AM

Ronan.p wrote: »

I will not be voting for SF for a good reason. A few years ago two men were caught by garda watching a house in crumlin the men were dressed in imitation garda uniforms but the interesting thing is that the van was being
used to put up posters for a certain Aengus o snodaigh during election run up.
I also know certain drug dealers and thiefs that would know him on a first name basis as i had to work along side these people as an apprentice on building sites.
This is all fact and im sure you could probably find the news report on the garda uniforms but i just dont have the time.

I call certain drug dealers by a first name basis aswell :eek:

Sinn Féin dress up in Garda uniforms? :P

sharkie66 · 04-02-2011 10:52AM

Ronan.p wrote: »

I will not be voting for SF for a good reason. A few years ago two men were caught by garda watching a house in crumlin the men were dressed in imitation garda uniforms but the interesting thing is that the van was being
used to put up posters for a certain Aengus o snodaigh during election run up.
I also know certain drug dealers and thiefs that would know him on a first name basis as i had to work along side these people as an apprentice on building sites.
This is all fact and im sure you could probably find the news report on the garda uniforms but i just dont have the time.

Here we go again.....
More assertions without the proof or evidence to back up the argument! I am getting tired of this.
Please put up links to verify your assertions. Whether you worked on a building site or whereever really has nothing to do with it. Please be careful when you post, thanks.

Oh another thing you aren't doing yourself any favours with the drug dealer statement. You might get into a bit of bother here if someone picks you on it. Just be more careful next time.:)

SafeSurfer · 04-02-2011 11:02AM

sharkie66 wrote: »

Here we go again.....
More assertions without the proof or evidence to back up the argument! I am getting tired of this.
Please put up links to verify your assertions. Whether you worked on a building site or whereever really has nothing to do with it. Please be careful when you post, thanks.

Oh another thing you aren't doing yourself any favours with the drug dealer statement. You might get into a bit of bother here if someone picks you on it. Just be more careful next time.:)

You mean links like this?

http://www.rte.ie/news/2005/0221/ira.html

fred252 · 04-02-2011 12:32PM

sharkie66,

Is it fair to say that if SF didn't have the policy of "sticking to the IMF/EU" that you wouldn't be voting for them?

Zubeneschamali · 04-02-2011 01:49PM

sharkie66 wrote: »

Oh another thing you aren't doing yourself any favours with the drug dealer statement. You might get into a bit of bother here if someone picks you on it. Just be more careful next time.:)

They haven't gone away, you know.

caseyann · 04-02-2011 05:46PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

You mean links like this?

http://www.rte.ie/news/2005/0221/ira.html

Are you having a laugh? They found posters in back of car,even if they were Sinn Féin members.Should we hold people accountable for people they know and their actions just because they know them? Thats the case i know someone who robbed a bank i am in cahoots with them aswell.
Or wait i know a guy who raped someone i am guilty for knowing him also.
Ridiculous accusations.

p to the e · 04-02-2011 06:08PM

caseyann wrote: »

Or wait i know a guy who raped someone i am guilty for knowing him also.
Ridiculous accusations.

Have you reported him?:eek:

caseyann · 04-02-2011 06:10PM

p to the e wrote: »

Have you reported him?:eek:

He is locked up dont worry! And no i didnt report him as like everyone else in world how the hell you know what anyone is up to really?

Xclusiv Barber · 04-02-2011 06:40PM

sharkie66 wrote: »

Glad you find it so! By the way, do photographers take photos? Is it so intriguing? Hope this clears things up for you and helps you make the correct decision on election day. Sinn Fein is still an option safesurfer so keep your mind open right up till the last day, good man!

call me naive (tho ud be wrong), maybe i'm goin soft in me old age (i'm older than dr. Who but younger than yoda) i would probably be MORE inclined to vote for gerry adams in louth if he knew anythin about ... O i dont no lets start wit child benefit dole rates pensions vat and what the rate is in ireland. Tho i did appreciate him honestly stating that he didn't know any of the above. I felt for once there is a politician not bullsh***ing me he just actually doesn't no. Perhaps he will, come feb25. Look, either way, everybody go out and vote otherwise when it all goes t*ts up again ul hav no right to a say. Even if u just go into the booth and write 4*ck you, ur still exercising ur democratic voice

SafeSurfer · 04-02-2011 06:45PM

caseyann wrote: »

Are you having a laugh? They found posters in back of car,even if they were Sinn Féin members.Should we hold people accountable for people they know and their actions just because they know them? Thats the case i know someone who robbed a bank i am in cahoots with them aswell.
Or wait i know a guy who raped someone i am guilty for knowing him also.
Ridiculous accusations.

You are being disingenuous. I am not comparing being an acquaintice of someone who has committed a crime to the interception of an IRA active service unit with large amounts of Aengus O Snoadaigh campaign material, election posters, cable ties etc.

slum dog · 04-02-2011 06:49PM

Alot of people I have run into lately have said they will be voting Sinn Fein. This is an unsual turn of events. Sinn Fein use to be a marginalised party but now everyone Ive met want to see them in government. Why is this?

caseyann · 04-02-2011 06:50PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

You are being disingenuous. I am not comparing being an acquaintice of someone who has committed a crime to the interception of an IRA active service unit with large amounts of Aengus O Snoadaigh campaign material, election posters, cable ties etc.

Nope you are grasping looking for smoke where there is none.You are entitled to your opinion,but i dont make mine on maybe.So if i had all that stuff in the back of my car robbed a bank and knew Gerry Adams ,he knew i was doing it or was involved .No one controls anyone.;)

Banbh · 04-02-2011 06:50PM

My local Fianna Fail TD was seen in a golf club bar with known criminals - but they had white collars, so that's alright then.

anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

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