Pearse Doherty's Education

Permabear · 03-02-2011 10:12PM

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A Dub in Glasgo · 03-02-2011 10:13PM

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What qualification did he misrepresent?

The Waltzing Consumer · 03-02-2011 10:15PM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

What qualification is he falsify

I don't think the claim is that he falsify a qualification. It is that he has not been clear about his career. As I said, civil engineer and civil engineer technician are two separate things with different salaries, different qualifications, different workload. Now if Pearse worked as a civil engineer, that is fine, he should state it, and that is that. But if he worked as a civil engineer technician but decided that civil engineer sounded more fancy, that is deceitful.

You said that these things are interchangeable, so that would mean he worked as a civil engineer and a civil engineer technician, if we are to believe him. So why would he suddenly change his personal info to reflect the lower profession?

Permabear · 03-02-2011 10:24PM

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A Dub in Glasgo · 03-02-2011 10:24PM

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

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Really?

martic wrote: »

Seems like Pearse Doherty might have been misleading people about his 3rd level qualifications[/url]

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Chucky the tree wrote: »

If there is no issue why did he have it changed? False information about his qualifications

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You said that these things are interchangeable, so that would mean he worked as a civil engineer and a civil engineer technician, if we are to believe him. So why would he suddenly change his personal info to reflect the lower profession?

As anyone can call themselves an engineer even when doing stuff like mechanic or technician type work, the term is interchangable by companies and people in those roles.

Permabear · 03-02-2011 10:29PM

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A Dub in Glasgo · 03-02-2011 10:30PM

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No, it is a simple and obvious enough question though. There is a claim that he falisfied his qualifications, I am looking for substanstiation.

that anybody who wants can call himself a "civil engineer." In that case, I'm a civil engineer. You're a civil engineer. Everybody and his dog is a civil engineer. Which is just absurd.

You are right it is absurd and that is not the fault of you, me or Doherty. It results from not protecting the title Engineer. Anybody can call themselves an engineer and many people do and many companies offer engineer in the job that is more suited to technician. Now the key difference is if they call themselves a Chartered Engineer or Incorporated Engineer or Eur Ing then they have to have qualifications to obtain them.

LeixlipRed · 03-02-2011 10:32PM

Perhaps he delegated the task of putting those qualifications online to another, a miscommunication perhaps. No one has posted anything about him referring to himself as an engineer. See my post where I said I recall him explicitly mentioning the fact he was an engineering technician on the Frontline.

Dublinman12 · 03-02-2011 10:33PM

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Did Bertie Ahern not claim to have an accountancy qualification??turned out he didnt have anything never mind 2 years of a 3 year course.....he was the taoiseach and a Fianna "Money grabbing" Failler.The mud slinging is starting....and i can bet you are voting Fianna Fail....

Ill be voting for anyone but the FF...And if thats Labour or SF then so be it...

The Waltzing Consumer · 03-02-2011 10:33PM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Really?

As anyone can call themselves an engineer even when doing stuff like mechanic or technician type work, the term is interchangable by companies and people in those roles.

Okay. All of this is perfect dodging the main point which is pretty rude. All I am saying is that if he did not work as a civil engineer and knowingly put that on his personal info for the voting public, then he lied.

You have dodged other posters comments and questions too and using typical political methods of dodging the questions. I really dislike that nonsense and it is pretty obvious.

He either misled and lied, or he is being honest and the guy worked as a civil engineer. That's it.

A Dub in Glasgo · 03-02-2011 10:33PM

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Not utter nonsense at all, what level of engineering experience do you have and how many times have you heard somebody calling themselves an engineer or a company advertise an engineer?

I phoned BT the other day and they said they will send an engineer out. Same with Sky TV. These guys are technicians at best or most likely installers.

martic · 03-02-2011 10:34PM

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On the Frontline just before the by-election I clearly remember him stating he was an engineering technician. Anyway any vt of him actually stating he's an engineer? Not defending or attacking here, just curious.

Listen he clearly states at 13.48 when asked by Pat that he's a Civil Engineer but in my opinion I hope he has learned a valuable lesson after today that now he is in the spot light, everything from his election to the Dail is going to be scrutinized by the opposite parties and the media for flaws.He definitely made a blunder on this one but I'd forgive a blunder like this than one that has put the country into billions of Euros of debt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnEurVdFqwo

Permabear · 03-02-2011 10:39PM

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The Waltzing Consumer · 03-02-2011 10:39PM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Not utter nonsense at all, what level of engineering experience do you have and how many times have you heard somebody calling themselves an engineer or a company advertise an engineer?

I phoned BT the other day and they said they will send an engineer out. Same with Sky TV. These guys are technicians at best or most likely installers.

Stop with the dodging :rolleyes:
Stick to the topic.

A Dub in Glasgo · 03-02-2011 10:40PM

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

Okay. All of this is perfect dodging the main point which is pretty rude. All I am saying is that if he did not work as a civil engineer and knowingly put that on his personal info for the voting public, then he lied.

You have dodged other posters comments and questions too and using typical political methods of dodging the questions. I really dislike that nonsense and it is pretty obvious.

He either misled and lied, or he is being honest and the guy worked as a civil engineer. That's it.

The original poster (and others) said he misrepresented his qualifications not job title or description or is this a case of people using job title and qualification to mean the same thing? That would be an example of an interchangeable description and if it is OK for one, surely it is OK for another?

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

Stop with the dodging :rolleyes:
Stick to the topic.

Which is? misrepresenting qualifications?

Chucky the tree · 03-02-2011 10:41PM

Watching that video he's clearly lied and mis-led the public about his qualifications. It makes you wonder what else he has lied about in his short political career.

The Waltzing Consumer · 03-02-2011 10:44PM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

The original poster (and others) said he misrepresented his qualifications not job title or description or is this a case of people using job title and qualification to mean the same thing? That would be an example of an interchangeable description and if it is OK for one, surely it is OK for another?

Which is? misrepresenting qualifications?

Unbelievable! :mad:
Stop with the politics and twisting words to suit your agenda.
Was he honest or dishonest?
Has he been employed as a civil engineer or not?

Permabear · 03-02-2011 10:44PM

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The Waltzing Consumer · 03-02-2011 10:57PM

This is the exchange on Frontline. The audience member asks "what business experience do you have?" to each of the candidates. So Pat asks "what his business experience is" to Pearse and Pearse says "I am not a business man etc.," then Kenny follows on with "what is your qualification? what is your job?" and Pearse Doherty replies "I am a civil engineer and a full time elected representative".

Since Kenny has asked two questions, I would have assumed Pearse is answering them in the order "qualifications, job" which he responded "civil engineer, elected representative".

If someone asked you what your qualifications and job were, you would answer "my degree is in ..., my diploma is in ...and I work in ...".

So one could argue this could be lying about college qualification or work position. Or Pearse could be telling the truth, not have the qualification in Civil Engineering but has been employed, without a qualification, to be a civil engineer. I hope he discloses which it is.

the groutch · 03-02-2011 11:05PM

serious case of trying to make mountains out of molehills

and it would still pale in comaprison to the lies of the outgoing government, especially Comical Lenny

"cheapest bailout ever"
"we've turned a corner"
"we're not talking to the IMF"

Monty Burnz · 03-02-2011 11:09PM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

For those who do not click, it is a picture of a dead person, thank Fitzerb, I opened that with my young son standing beside me!

Thanks for the warning. Who killed the guy in the picture?

Personally, I don't think this is a big deal, but it's not really a great sign about the guy's integrity. When will our politicians (of all parties) learn that we are sick to death of this dishonesty crap?

Permabear · 03-02-2011 11:14PM

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UDAWINNER · 03-02-2011 11:15PM

the groutch wrote: »

serious case of trying to make mountains out of molehills

and it would still pale in comaprison to the lies of the outgoing government, especially Comical Lenny

"cheapest bailout ever"
"we've turned a corner"
"we're not talking to the IMF"

Agreed, willy o'dea claims to have a law qualification and yet still commits perjury and is back on the front bench. Laughable how many posts are dedicated to this non story.

Monty Burnz · 03-02-2011 11:15PM

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serious case of trying to make mountains out of molehills

and it would still pale in comaprison to the lies of the outgoing government, especially Comical Lenny

"cheapest bailout ever"
"we've turned a corner"
"we're not talking to the IMF"

I agree that it's not a big thing in itself (certainly not compared to the outgoing government), but there's no point in replacing one shower of lying bastards people* with another, is there?

*not sure if the previously used term is ok

Fitzerb · 03-02-2011 11:20PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Thanks for the warning. Who killed the guy in the picture?

Personally, I don't think this is a big deal, but it's not really a great sign about the guy's integrity. When will our politicians (of all parties) learn that we are sick to death of this dishonesty crap?

If you go back to post #30 and then post #39 you will read what happened.

The guy is an Irish Garda shot by IRA/Sinn Fein (AFTER) the Good Friday Agreement and celebrated by Ferris and CO. Just look at the picture and remember when you vote SF you are voting for Thugs who have no respect for democracy

LeixlipRed · 03-02-2011 11:26PM

martic wrote: »

Listen he clearly states at 13.48 when asked by Pat that he's a Civil Engineer but in my opinion I hope he has learned a valuable lesson after today that now he is in the spot light, everything from his election to the Dail is going to be scrutinized by the opposite parties and the media for flaws. He defiantly made a blunder on this one but I'd forgive a blunder like this than one that has put the country into billions of Euros of debt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnEurVdFqwo

Apologies, I was almost sure that he had said technician on that show. Well, that's a bit of a porky alright, silly error.

johnmcdnl · 03-02-2011 11:28PM

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Perhaps he may want to know who the dead person is and the importance of keeping terrorists out of Governent. The dead person is Jerry McCabe and here are the facts of how he died

Before you vote SF this is worth reading.

6th June 1996 (after the GFA) Jerry Mc Cabe and Ben O Connor escorting a post office van. Both Garda armed with 38 smith and weston and uzi machine gun.
Pajero rammed the back of the Garda car. Two men jumped out of the Pajero, one of them Kevin Walsh pulled the trigger of the AK 47 that killed Garda Mc Cabe. Garda Mc Cabe actually knew him locally. They fired two bursts of 14 rounds from a AK 47 with 3 rounds hitting Garda Mc Cabe and killing him.
In September 2003 the 4 SF TD's went to Castlerea prison to have their picture taken with the convicted murderers of Garda MC Cabe. They were O'Caolain, Crow, o' Sondaigh, Ferris.

In August 2009 Ferris greeted two of the convicted murderers McCauley and Walsh when they were freed from prison . One month later the four convicted killers attended a fund raiser in Killarney organised by Ferris to raise funds for SF

Look at the pictures and ask are the people who support this type of crime the type of people we want in our Dail ?

So yes its is a shocking picture but people need to know that this happened AFTER SF had agreed to the Good Friday Agreement.

Attachment of Castlerea prision enclosed

what has this got to do with pearse doherty's education

and secondly - how many of you's out there crying that he's misleading people actually knew he claimed to be a "civil engineer" - if you can honestly say that you knew that your doing well - it was hardly like he was basing his campagins or anything on him being a civil engineer - did he ever use his civil engineering history as a reason why you should vote or listen to him..
a civil engineer vs a civil engineer technician - once again how many of you actually would know the difference without a google search..

nothing but an attempt at a smear campaign trying to pick at anything at all that they can

maynooth_rules · 03-02-2011 11:31PM

Sinn Fein member is lying shocker:rolleyes:

Permabear · 03-02-2011 11:35PM

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Fitzerb · 03-02-2011 11:36PM

johnmcdnl wrote: »

what has this got to do with pearse doherty's education

and secondly - how many of you's out there crying that he's misleading people actually knew he claimed to be a "civil engineer" - if you can honestly say that you knew that your doing well - it was hardly like he was basing his campagins or anything on him being a civil engineer - did he ever use his civil engineering history as a reason why you should vote or listen to him..
a civil engineer vs a civil engineer technician - once again how many of you actually would know the difference without a google search..

nothing but an attempt at a smear campaign trying to pick at anything at all that they can

It has to do with educating the public about the type of Thugs he supports

Pearse Doherty's Education

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