Pearse Doherty's Education

A Dub in Glasgo · 06-02-2011 12:08AM

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

An engineer is somebody who holds an honours degree in engineering.

Can you tell me where that is legislated?

Anybody else is just a technician. This has been abused in Ireland for a long time. For example when something breaks down and the company tells you that they are going to send an engineer out to fix it you can be pretty sure that that person is not really an engineer.

Oh I know that one, see one my of previous posts

K-9 · 06-02-2011 01:01AM

dlofnep wrote: »

Perhaps, but it was bumped prior to my post In anycase, I think the public knows that Pearse is a top bloke, and a good politician. This sort of nonsense is typical pre-election Sinn Féin tarnishing.

True, maybe let sleeping dogs lie though!

I wouldn't be a big fan generally of SF but in my constituency there really isn't much choice. 2 FF candidates, 1 being Mary, other seems a decent enough guy, FG have another decent guy but he really is at the end of his career, Labour have well, Frank, Greens and a couple of independents. He'll add something to the Dail, even if it is just giving out!

K-9 · 06-02-2011 01:06AM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Can you tell me where that is legislated?

Oh I know that one, see one my of previous posts

I don't know, in my "field", you can be an Accounting Technician and call yourself an accountant. I don't think there is anything stopping people doing that in day to day life, but it is wrong. It would be seriously frowned upon to put yourself forward as a qualified Accountant professionally, it is being economical with the truth and misleading people. I assume Engineer is similar.

This probably isn't quite the same, but he is a TD and should have known somebody would have picked up on this at some stage.

p1akuw47h5r3it · 06-02-2011 02:31AM

Kennedy35 wrote: »

Has anyone asked Pearse Doherty himself since this "amazing Story " broke in the ragmag Daily Mirror?
It's more of a shock to me that most of you superior beings resort to read ing such trash. All closet rag readers..!
Like it or not, he is the best orator in th Dail, has the most sensible economic policies, as agreed by the most eminent economists in the country.
Believe me, he does have charisma in spades. Maybe that's your problem.
I can't believe that people would argue about such trivia when the country is falling down all around us. Don't forget, It's the economy, stupid.
I don't care ifnhe's a civil engineer or not, he's a hell of a lot better than the shower who just left office. He's not a power hungry dope like th
e Green Pary hypocrates and he's not like the Fianna Fail corrupt, greedy, self serving gangsters who just left office. I hope each and everyone of them loses their seat.
The major parties are afraid of Sinn Fein and they are very right to be. Be afraid, be very afraid.. That dipstick Martin is insulting, trying to con people that he wasn't involved in the treasonous behaviour of our so called government. Sinn Fein are the champions of the middle to lower income population.

Eh, no they're not.

nesf · 06-02-2011 05:01AM

K-9 wrote: »

I don't know, in my "field", you can be an Accounting Technician and call yourself an accountant. I don't think there is anything stopping people doing that in day to day life, but it is wrong. It would be seriously frowned upon to put yourself forward as a qualified Accountant professionally, it is being economical with the truth and misleading people. I assume Engineer is similar.

This probably isn't quite the same, but he is a TD and should have known somebody would have picked up on this at some stage.

The main issue is that it implies you are more qualified and that has a calming effect on people's nerves. An accounting technician is very much not an accountant similar to how a Law graduate isn't a solicitor even though both have qualifications in the same general field.

If I was an Accounting Technician and I wanted to be taken more seriously I'd call myself an Accountant outside of professional circles and if I did so I'd deserve to be taken down a few pegs.

K-9 · 06-02-2011 05:28AM

nesf wrote: »

The main issue is that it implies you are more qualified and that has a calming effect on people's nerves. An accounting technician is very much not an accountant similar to how a Law graduate isn't a solicitor even though both have qualifications in the same general field.

If I was an Accounting Technician and I wanted to be taken more seriously I'd call myself an Accountant outside of professional circles and if I did so I'd deserve to be taken down a few pegs.

Good point and it is about standards.

To me, the Technician point is about Trust and integrity. If you have those qualities, you wouldn't even dream of using the "civil engineer" title, you'd make sure it never was an issue, never mentioned.

After all, who cares if you are a "technician"?

Ah, maybe it's an impossible standard. Still, the "sure didn't Bertie, FF do it" defence doesn't inspire confidence.

Do we want real change or a different form of FF?

Einhard · 06-02-2011 01:18PM

dlofnep wrote: »

A non-issue. Our country is falling apart and this is worthy of 8 pages?

Not really. The fact that Sinn Feiners feel the need to reflexively defend the party is what's worthy of 8 pages.

dlofnep wrote: »

Perhaps, but it was bumped prior to my post In anycase, I think the public knows that Pearse is a top bloke, and a good politician. This sort of nonsense is typical pre-election Sinn Féin tarnishing.

That's funny. Most people who dislike SF dislike them because of their nonsensical economic policies, and their previous willingness to murder, and condone murder, in pursuit of their aims. SF are already irredeemably tarnished in the eyes of most of the electorate. Doherty's manipulation of the truth is really a non issue- the willingness of SF supporters to defend in their party what they'd condemn in another party is actually quite instructive. It's ironic that, as the die-hard FF supporter dies a death, the die-hard SF supporter, rises to replace him in Irish politics.

blahfckingblah · 06-02-2011 01:37PM

Einhard wrote: »

Not really. The fact that Sinn Feiners feel the need to reflexively defend the party is what's worthy of 8 pages.

That's funny. Most people who dislike SF dislike them because of their nonsensical economic policies, and their previous willingness to murder, and condone murder, in pursuit of their aims. SF are already irredeemably tarnished in the eyes of most of the electorate. Doherty's manipulation of the truth is really a non issue- the willingness of SF supporters to defend in their party what they'd condemn in another party is actually quite instructive. It's ironic that, as the die-hard FF supporter dies a death, the die-hard SF supporter, rises to replace him in Irish politics.

i dont think murder is at all relevant to the thread in question regardless of your opinion on sinn fein as a whole. i think that pearse is possibly the best candidate in that constitency but some people are judging him on things that happened when he was only a young lad and he wasnt involved in. back to the topic on hand i dont think that this obvious attempt at tarnishing his name will stop him from being elected with an astounding majority in his local area. the locals see that he is doing in lenister house and agree with the man

Einhard · 06-02-2011 01:49PM

blahfckingblah wrote: »

i dont think murder is at all relevant to the thread in question regardless of your opinion on sinn fein as a whole. i think that pearse is possibly the best candidate in that constitency but some people are judging him on things that happened when he was only a young lad and he wasnt involved in. back to the topic on hand i dont think that this obvious attempt at tarnishing his name will stop him from being elected with an astounding majority in his local area. the locals see that he is doing in lenister house and agree with the man

It's relevent when someone accuses those who discuss Doherty's fabrications of seeking to tarnish Sinn Fein. In the eyes of many people, SF's recent past is enough to tarnish the party, and minor untruths is hardly in the same league.

dlofnep · 06-02-2011 04:08PM

Einhard wrote: »

Not really. The fact that Sinn Feiners feel the need to reflexively defend the party is what's worthy of 8 pages.

Sinn Féin supporters, defending their party.. What a shocking conclusion of events. The issue here is a non-story being made out to be more than it is. Sinn Féin detractors will naturally inflate it, while people who are neither for or against the party will see it for what it is - a pre-election smear campaign on a well spoken and driven, young politician.

Einhard wrote: »

That's funny. Most people who dislike SF dislike them because of their nonsensical economic policies

That is subjective. Sinn Féin's proposals on the current economic outlook are supported by a number of leading economists, including Nobel Prize winner for Economics - Paul Krugman.

Soldie · 06-02-2011 04:31PM

dlofnep wrote: »

Sinn Féin's proposals on the current economic outlook are supported by a number of leading economists, including Nobel Prize winner for Economics - Paul Krugman.

Krugman's column is in no way an endorsement of Sinn Féin's economic policies, and it is extremely misleading to construe it as such.

dlofnep · 06-02-2011 04:40PM

Soldie wrote: »

Krugman's column is in no way an endorsement of Sinn Féin's economic policies, and it is extremely misleading to construe it as such.

No it isn't.

“Ireland is now in its third year of austerity, and confidence just keeps draining away. And you have to wonder what it will take for serious people to realize that punishing the populace for the bankers’ sins is worse than a crime; it’s a mistake.”

-Krugman.

Soldie · 06-02-2011 04:59PM

You can't be serious.

Einhard wrote:

Most people who dislike SF dislike them because of their nonsensical economic policies

dlofnep wrote:

Sinn Féin's proposals on the current economic outlook are supported by a number of leading economists, including Nobel Prize winner for Economics - Paul Krugman.

In response to Einhard's claim that people dislike Sinn Féin because of their economic policies, you cherry picked a column in which Krugman argues against the bank guarantee -- an argument that countless commentators on both the left and right have made -- and construed it as though he endorses the totality of Sinn Féin's economic policies. That's utterly absurd.

Monty Burnz · 06-02-2011 05:30PM

Einhard wrote: »

It's ironic that, as the die-hard FF supporter dies a death, the die-hard SF supporter, rises to replace him in Irish politics.

Great point.

dlofnep · 06-02-2011 06:14PM

Soldie wrote: »

In response to Einhard's claim that people dislike Sinn Féin because of their economic policies, you cherry picked a column in which Krugman argues against the bank guarantee -- an argument that countless commentators on both the left and right have made -- and construed it as though he endorses the totality of Sinn Féin's economic policies. That's utterly absurd.

Well given that Einhard wasn't specific with any single policy - Am I supposed to guess what is he is referring to? When people make blanket statements about Sinn Féin's economic policies, with offering a little insight - then there is hardly a basis for a reasoned debate.

With regards to the bailout - Sinn Féin believes that it is wrong to turn private debt into sovereign debt to the levels we have seen. Krugar agrees with this premise. So no - it isn't cherrypicking, and is a very valid point to make.

Let's face reality. Accepting this bailout makes us servants to the EU. That's the reality of the matter. Sarkozy is already breathing down our necks over our corporation tax, as is the German Chancellor. We have diluted our economic sovereignty and it's crucially important to many Irish citizens, myself included.

Chucky the tree · 06-02-2011 07:50PM

dlofnep wrote: »

Perhaps, but it was bumped prior to my post In anycase, I think the public knows that Pearse is a top bloke, and a good politician. This sort of nonsense is typical pre-election Sinn Féin tarnishing.

He's a liar and a hypocrite. Being a SF supporter that might be your definition of a top bloke and good politician, but it isn't for me.

dlofnep wrote: »

That is subjective. Sinn Féin's proposals on the current economic outlook are supported by a number of leading economists, including Nobel Prize winner for Economics - Paul Krugman.

Where in the article does he point out not cutting social welfare?
Where does he support using the Pension reserve fund to support our €17bn deficit while also being used as "stimulus" to employ even more public servants? He supports one of SF's proposals, that certainly doesn't mean he supports there economic outlook.

dlofnep · 06-02-2011 08:02PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

He's a liar and a hypocrite.

Er, no he isn't.

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Being a SF supporter that might be your definition of a top bloke and good politician, but it isn't for me.

It's your definition, not mine.

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Where in the article does he point out not cutting social welfare?
Where does he support using the Pension reserve fund to support our €17bn deficit while also being used as "stimulus" to employ even more public servants? He supports one of SF's proposals, that certainly doesn't mean he supports there economic outlook.

He highlights the underlying principle that the bailout is immoral, and a wrong move. This is exactly what Sinn Féin has been saying. We need to completely re-assess the role that the EU plays in Irish affairs, and our membership of the Euro Zone (but not the EU as a whole).

LordSutch · 06-02-2011 08:08PM

Seeing as Mr Doherty's credentials are being questioned I thought I would look them up for myself, so I googled him and came up with http://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/14981 After having had a look around his site I came upon the Shop tab at the top of the page and got this http://www.sinnfeinbookshop.com/catalog/index.php. Leaving aside the questions about his education for one moment, should Mr Doherty have all this IRA memorabelia for sale on his site in this day & age?

Chucky the tree · 06-02-2011 08:10PM

dlofnep wrote: »

Er, no he isn't.

It's your definition, not mine.

He highlights the underlying principle that the bailout is immoral, and a wrong move. This is exactly what Sinn Féin has been saying. We need to completely re-assess the role that the EU plays in Irish affairs, and our membership of the Euro Zone (but not the EU as a whole).

Yes he is. Maybe have a read of the thread you are posting in for proof. As I said, agreeing with one policy isn't an endorsement for all of there policies.

dlofnep · 06-02-2011 08:11PM

LordSutch wrote: »

Seeing as Mr Doherty's credentials are being questioned I thought I would look them up for myself, so I googled him and came up with http://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/14981 After having had a look around his site I came upon the Shop tab at the top of the page and got this http://www.sinnfeinbookshop.com/catalog/index.php. Leaving aside the questions about his education for one moment, should Mr Doherty have all this IRA memorabelia for sale on his site in this day & age?

Why wouldn't Sinn Féin have IRA memorabilia? Do you think the links between Sinn Féin and the IRA are a secret that you are only privy to? The reality of the matter is - the IRA played a pivotal role in defending the nationalist population against British aggression, and attacks against British forces which were not only murdering Irish civilians - but also providing loyalist paramilitaries with weapons. Most of the IRA related stuff is in memory of the hunger strikers - of which many Irish people share their sympathies with.

So cut the nonsense.

wolfpawnat · 06-02-2011 08:11PM

He is not doing a job in civil engineering and many people accuse SF of being uneducated. His lies are nothing compared to Bertie and BIFFO!

We all try to make our C.V.'s sound better than they are. I'd say many people have put things on their c.v.'s that are not true to try and get jobs in the recent times!

He has proven himself so far in the career he is in and that is all that matters so far!

dlofnep · 06-02-2011 08:13PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Yes he is. Maybe have a read of the thread you are posting in for proof. As I said, agreeing with one policy isn't an endorsement for all of there policies.

And I never stated that he endorsed all of their policies. What's your point?

A Dub in Glasgo · 06-02-2011 08:15PM

The sanctimonious outrage here is actually quite funny.

kippy · 06-02-2011 08:16PM

As much as I dislike SF and a lot of what they have backed up in the past few decades I do think this is yet another smokescreen.
I am far more interested in the Martin bringing Willie O Dea back to the front bench - what a way to reward incompetence. Am also far more interested in Ivor Callelleys residential property interests and residential arrangements. Indeed, I'd also be more concerned about Biffos games of golf - all things that have been and gone in Irish History without as much of a murmur.

Lets also not forget Bertie, who had no issues despite numerous problems over his personal finances/education claims.

A Dub in Glasgo · 06-02-2011 08:16PM

LordSutch wrote: »

Seeing as Mr Doherty's credentials are being questioned I thought I would look them up for myself, so I googled him and came up with http://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/14981 After having had a look around his site I came upon the Shop tab at the top of the page and got this http://www.sinnfeinbookshop.com/catalog/index.php. Leaving aside the questions about his education for one moment, should Mr Doherty have all this IRA memorabelia for sale on his site in this day & age?

LordSutch · 06-02-2011 08:19PM

dlofnep wrote: »

Why wouldn't Sinn Féin have IRA memorabilia? Do you think the links between Sinn Féin and the IRA are a secret that you are only privy to? The reality of the matter is - the IRA played a pivotal role in defending the nationalist population against British aggression, and attacks against British forces which were not only murdering Irish civilians - but also providing loyalist paramilitaries with weapons. Most of the IRA related stuff is in memory of the hunger strikers - of which many Irish people share their sympathies with.

So cut the nonsense.

Nonsense you say? Are you the moderator of this thread? because if so, shouldn't you be impartial?
Surely there's nothing wrong with me looking up his credentials, but I am surprised that the IRA stuff is still for sale in 2011.

Nodin · 06-02-2011 08:22PM

LordSutch wrote: »

..............., but I am surprised that the IRA stuff is still for sale in 2011.

Whats that to do with "Pearse Doherty's Education"?

LordSutch · 06-02-2011 08:24PM

Nodin wrote: »

Whats that to do with "Pearse Doherty's Education"?

I was curious about him, so I googled him and . . . . .

PS I'm out of this thread for good, bye.

A Dub in Glasgo · 06-02-2011 08:27PM

LordSutch wrote: »

I was curious about him, so I googled him and . . . . .

. . . . . you found that Doherty had set up a website selling republican material?

Nodin · 06-02-2011 08:27PM

LordSutch wrote: »

I was curious about him, so I googled him and . . . . .

...I'm sure you did, but what does it have to do with the topic of the thread "Pearse Doherty's Education"?

Pearse Doherty's Education

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