No More (Aggressive) Begging, Apparently

drdeadlift · 03-02-2011 04:19PM

dolphin city wrote: »

I nearly got into a scrap with a Roma woman in Temple Bar at the weekend because she just wouldn't stop hassling me, she was pulling at my coat and pushing me, screaming at me to give her money for the baby. I was with a friend from Germany who was absolutely disgusted, she'd never seen begging like that in her life.

:D:D:D sounds like what Ireland was like with the IMF.

easy scream back at her get out of my face you usless Fu ck

Why would you let one of them speak to you like that?

drdeadlift · 03-02-2011 04:20PM

iamstop wrote: »

Charities don't pay taxes do they?

nor do beggars

mp3guy · 03-02-2011 04:21PM

dolphin city wrote: »

I think it is up to the person who said you need a licence to busk, to prove that you do.

Actually it's up to both of you.

AnonoBoy · 03-02-2011 04:23PM

dolphin city wrote: »

once they get their foot in the door.

wait and see.

Their foot in what door? Begging was illegal and that law was reversed in court.

What door are you talking about? What do you think is going to happen next?

Fluorescence · 03-02-2011 04:24PM

allandanyways wrote: »

Glad to hear it. I've stopped using ATMs on the street because of the beggars around them, it's a pain but I've just been intimidated too many times, they do be breathing down your neck and asking "So what are ye gonna do with that nice bit of money?", trying to see your pin number and stuff.

I hope the gardaí really do enforce this law, I nearly got into a scrap with a Roma woman in Temple Bar at the weekend because she just wouldn't stop hassling me, she was pulling at my coat and pushing me, screaming at me to give her money for the baby. I was with a friend from Germany who was absolutely disgusted, she'd never seen begging like that in her life.

I understand if you've no money and kids/a habit to feed you're going to get desperate but the level of aggressive begging in Dublin is absolutely ridiculous.

I hate this too. The sickening thing is those Roma gypsies are "professional" beggars. They get dropped into town by car in the mornings (some of them take the LUAS I think as well), harrass people for change all day, and then fcuk off back home again for the evening. They never take no for an answer either!

Anyway, if this law means that I won't get harassed at bus stops in town anymore by junkies and alcos then I'm all for it. Most of the time when you say no they just move on, but I've felt afraid for my life more than once. It's not like the Gardaí are going to go around booting the homeless from place to place; rather they'll have the authority to move aggressive and intimidating beggars on (and lets be honest, they're usually the "fake" beggars anyway and not real homeless people). I think it's a good move, but only if it's followed through on.

stephendevlin · 03-02-2011 04:36PM

The new offence carries severe penalties of up to five years imprisonment or a fine of €200,00....

Yeah like they will have €200,000 to pay a fine FFS. :rolleyes:

Theyr begging on the streets to survive not because they like to. With the exception of romanians and junkies

Sure lock the homeless / junkies / romanians up and cost the taxpayer about €70,000 a year to keep them in jails.

Have we all gone mental??

AnonoBoy · 03-02-2011 04:40PM

stephendevlin wrote: »

The new offence carries severe penalties of up to five years imprisonment or a fine of €200,00....

Yeah like they will have €200,000 to pay a fine FFS. :rolleyes:

I presume it's a fine and if they can't pay the fine it's prison.

Theyr begging on the streets to survive not because they like to.

Some are doing it to survive. Some are being sent out on a daily basis to do it by groups.

Have we all gone mental??

If I hadnt a penny Id fukin hassle ye's too!

It's not begging that's been outlawed. People are allowed to beg. They're just not allowed to intimidate people while doing so.

"Spare change?" isn't intimidating people.
"Give me some money you f*cking tight bastard!" is.

Lumen · 03-02-2011 04:43PM

I think I've seen about eleventy million beggars in my lifetime, and I can't remember a single one of them being "aggressive".

"Got any change".
"No, sorry".
(silence)

...times eleventy million.

stephendevlin · 03-02-2011 04:45PM

Why dont they do something constructive with them rather than just threaten them with laws. Its not really resolving the problem and might end up costing the state in jail costs. You think romanians and junkies understand laws?

sensibleken · 03-02-2011 04:47PM

Its all very well and good targeting beggars but what about targeting the causes of begging. Mental health practices, drug treatment etc.

AnonoBoy · 03-02-2011 04:49PM

stephendevlin wrote: »

You think romanians and junkies understand laws?

Eh.... yes.

Obey? Perhaps not.

Understand? Yes.

They're not dogs you know.

prinz · 03-02-2011 04:52PM

stephendevlin wrote: »

Why dont they do something constructive with them rather than just threaten them with laws.

What like turn them into soap? Maybe some free fingerpainting classes?

stephendevlin wrote: »

Its not really resolving the problem and might end up costing the state in jail costs. You think romanians and junkies understand laws?

Why shouldn't a junkie understand the law? Do we let foreign folk off with other crimes because they don't know the law? Do we let alcoholics off with crimes because they don't understand the law? Where does it end?

stephendevlin · 03-02-2011 04:52PM

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Eh.... yes.

Obey? Perhaps not.

Understand? Yes.

They're not dogs you know.

I never intended that comment to be like that. Im assuming that they might not be as switched on to things going on like these laws being brought in.

I was never a junkie or a romanian! I was actually trying to see it from thier side!

AnonoBoy · 03-02-2011 04:53PM

stephendevlin wrote: »

I never intended that comment to be like that. Im assuming that they might not be as switched on to things going on like these laws being brought in.

You can be sure that word will get around. And in any case the Gardai will let them know soon enough I'm sure.

stephendevlin · 03-02-2011 04:55PM

prinz wrote: »

What like turn them into soap? Maybe some free fingerpainting classes?

Yes sure why not if thats the best you can come up with.

RMD · 03-02-2011 04:57PM

Lumen wrote: »

I think I've seen about eleventy million beggars in my lifetime, and I can't remember a single one of them being "aggressive".

"Got any change".
"No, sorry".
(silence)

...times eleventy million.

Walk up O'Connell street once and you'll be followed for about 10 meters by Romas shaking a cup at you asking for change, usually doing it pretty loudly and aggressively as it goes. To the person who suggested we should tax them (:pac:) good look proving how much their income was and how it came about, wouldn't be a waste of resources in the slightest.

To be quite honest this law is just another law that wont be enforced unless it suits the Gardaí. And good luck convincing the Roma not to beg, we don't have space in the prison system to give them anything more than a slap on the wrist and a small fine.

gurramok · 03-02-2011 05:03PM

RMD wrote:

And good luck convincing the Roma not to beg, we don't have space in the prison system to give them anything more than a slap on the wrist and a small fine.

Finger print all foreign beggars who are caught by this law and deport them all with a banning from the country for life.

We just need a political leader with balls to do it.

stephendevlin · 03-02-2011 05:16PM

They should have gardai doing covert video surveillance on them and if they are caught offending they would be banned from that street/area. If found there again then they should be prosecuted.

Would I be right in saying that they stick to the same places?

If so it wouldnt be hard to track them down if a complaint was made.

Once under surveillance for a couple of hours see if the person is indeed causing a problem and ban them from the area. Or use a gps tagging system.

That way the correct person is prosecuted

(video evedence and or gps evidence)

Am I asking a bit much lol

MickShamrock · 03-02-2011 05:17PM

Sounds good to me.

DarkJager · 03-02-2011 06:44PM

I wouldn't give a penny or the steam off my piss to any of them. There's some of them going around Limerick City centre who are begging all day on the street, then get picked up outside the GPO in an Audi come 5pm. ****ing scum.

stephendevlin · 03-02-2011 07:00PM

DarkJager wrote: »

I wouldn't give a penny or the steam off my piss to any of them. There's some of them going around Limerick City centre who are begging all day on the street, then get picked up outside the GPO in an Audi come 5pm. ****ing scum.

Feel bad for the ones who ACTUALLY are homeless and do need the spare change to survive. I know there a lot of scammers out there.

walshb · 03-02-2011 07:00PM

prinz wrote: »

It's not a law against begging. It's a law against the anti-social and borderline intimidatory behaviour of some beggars.

Yeah, the romas....

No, seriously, where have all the Irish beggars gone, because all I see when I am out is foreign beggars all over the city. Then when they get bored, have made their few bob, they head off home to their house, paid for by the Irish.
Recession my arse!

DarkJager · 03-02-2011 07:03PM

stephendevlin wrote: »

Feel bad for the ones who ACTUALLY are homeless and do need the spare change to survive. I know there a lot of scammers out there.

You have to be careful of the homeless as well, some of them are just begging to pay for habits (you'll know these guys anyway by the aggressive tone they take).

johnmcdnl · 03-02-2011 07:15PM

dolphin city wrote: »

if you read my post it says...."this is the first step....."

do ye not know how the system works yet - get out a little law that has everyone clapping their hands and going along with it, thinking its brilliant, and before you know it your rights are invaded again.

Still the same oul' same oul' and people still falling for it.

so you think it's perfectly ok for that beggar woman that seems to come into burger king on oconnell street every time I go in there and for her to disrupt my meal and everyone else's meal by going round trying to get change....
I think my rights to a nice buger king meal are being infringed by this woman so I'm all for this law...

the law isn't stopping people begging - it's stopping them coming up and trying to stick cups in your face...

Chinasea · 03-02-2011 07:20PM

gurramok wrote: »

Finger print all foreign beggars who are caught by this law and deport them all with a banning from the country for life.

We just need a political leader with balls to do it.

Send your idea to the UK and see if the government there will use it for the thousands of your fellow brethren Irish travellers

stephendevlin · 03-02-2011 07:23PM

Chinasea wrote: »

travellers

Oh Ohh...

Degsy · 03-02-2011 07:23PM

fcucking Romas..a gang of five or six of them had sorounded some old bloke in o'connel st yesterday after he gave one of them money..they were all saying "more,more,more..pleeasse" and all this sort of shiit.. he was plainly frightened by them too....it was nothing short of mugging in broad daylight.
Roma beggers are scumbag,organised criminal gangs..they should be not only removed from the streets but from the country.

bearballs · 03-02-2011 07:30PM

Well said Chinasea im disgusted by alot of the comments on here heartless and disgraceful.Like you pointed out plenty of irish not just gypsies begging around the world on the street.I hope some of you lose your job and end up on skid row you'll change your thinking very fast.

walshb · 03-02-2011 07:31PM

Degsy wrote: »

fcucking Romas..a gang of five or six of them had sorounded some old bloke in o'connel st yesterday after he gave one of them money..they were all saying "more,more,more..pleeasse" and all this sort of shiit.. he was plainly frightened by them too....it was nothing short of mugging in broad daylight.
Roma beggers are scumbag,organised criminal gangs..they should be not only removed from the streets but from the country.

Careful now, Degsy, you will have the anti racist PC brigade onto you!

walrusgumble · 03-02-2011 07:42PM

Chinasea wrote: »

Send your idea to the UK and see if the government there will use it for the thousands of your fellow brethren Irish travellers

"fellow brethren Irish"? Sure, do they even consider themselves as Irish? you are obviously not around here much , to know that most people have the same contempt for the travellers as the roma people.

I will add, that not all travellers are bad

No More (Aggressive) Begging, Apparently

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