No More (Aggressive) Begging, Apparently

prinz · 03-02-2011 01:03PM

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

What about the beggars at Luas stops?

Especially them. There's one scam artist up at the St Stephen's Green stop that is a bollíx pure and simple. He'll grab change out of your hand, he'll take change from the machine if you get some back. He fiddles with the machines to take money out etc. Reported him the gardaí once but saw the same lad up there again a few weeks later.

destinybabe · 03-02-2011 01:35PM

orourkeda wrote: »

I blame the romanians

???? Just to clarify, you're blaming Romanians in general or gypsies for begging????

enda1 · 03-02-2011 01:48PM

I think the Gardaí should now search any Roma caught and take all the money they have at the time under the pretence of the criminal assets bureau's funds from criminal activities law.

Professey Chin · 03-02-2011 01:48PM

orourkeda wrote: »

I blame the romanians

jimthemental wrote: »

I blame the Romans

I blame the Greeks.
They invented gayness

dolphin city · 03-02-2011 01:50PM

so lemme get this straight - a busker would not be considered begging for money.

So if a "begger" threw a guitar around his neck and sang a few notes, or if he got an accordion and blasted out some random notes, that would be fine???

I'm tell ye, don't start applauding yet - this is only step one.

A bit like when they said you could have a 100 percent mortgage and everyone clapped - they are handing back their houses now and I don't hear any encores.

watch and learn

prinz · 03-02-2011 01:53PM

dolphin city wrote: »

so lemme get this straight - a busker would not be considered begging for money. So if a "begger" threw a guitar around his neck and sang a few notes, or if he got an accordion and blasted out some random notes, that would be fine???

No it wouldn't, a busker in your face as you use an ATM asking for money, or a busker accosting people as they enter and leave shops is just as bad. Buskers tend not to do either of those things.

dolphin city wrote: »

I'm tell ye, don't start applauding yet - this is only step one.

OK Jim.

speedboatchase · 03-02-2011 01:54PM

dolphin city wrote: »

so lemme get this straight - a busker would not be considered begging for money.

So if a "begger" threw a guitar around his neck and sang a few notes, or if he got an accordion and blasted out some random notes, that would be fine???

I'm tell ye, don't start applauding yet - this is only step one.

A bit like when they said you could have a 100 percent mortgage and everyone clapped - they are handing back their houses now and I don't hear any encores.

watch and learn

You need a license to busk - busking is street performance

dolphin city · 03-02-2011 01:57PM

speedboatchase wrote: »

You need a license to busk - busking is street performance

wrong

AnonoBoy · 03-02-2011 01:58PM

dolphin city wrote: »

so lemme get this straight - a busker would not be considered begging for money.

So if a "begger" threw a guitar around his neck and sang a few notes, or if he got an accordion and blasted out some random notes, that would be fine???

I'm tell ye, don't start applauding yet - this is only step one.

A bit like when they said you could have a 100 percent mortgage and everyone clapped - they are handing back their houses now and I don't hear any encores.

watch and learn

What the hell has this to do with mortgages?

And how many times do you have to be told - it's not a law against begging, it's a law against aggressive begging and begging in certain locations.

I'd say if a busker parked himself right beside an ATM he'd find himself moved pretty soon too.

enda1 · 03-02-2011 02:09PM

Hopefully this also means that Dave McSavage's intimidation and general arseholery will be told to move on/arrested.

Bottle_of_Smoke · 03-02-2011 02:28PM

I'm not a racist but this law is pointless as Roma gypsies walk around begging rather than wait at machines.

Will people please stop giving them money and they might f*ck off.

stovelid · 03-02-2011 02:37PM

Maybe it could also be extended to those Airtricity fuckers that try and doorstep you all the time.

Azureus · 03-02-2011 02:45PM

Not all Roma gypsies walk around, theres a few in Malahide who sit outside shops with babies and spit at you/shout abuse when you dont give them money

If this law stops stuff like that, Im all kindsa for it!

That and I hate the intimidation of getting money out of an ATM with a beggar right beside me, I always feel like he's two seconds away from robbing me.

dolphin city · 03-02-2011 02:49PM

AnonoBoy wrote: »

What the hell has this to do with mortgages?

And how many times do you have to be told - it's not a law against begging, it's a law against aggressive begging and begging in certain locations.

I'd say if a busker parked himself right beside an ATM he'd find himself moved pretty soon too.

you are obviously still not reading the sentence "this is the first step.....::D:D

mp3guy · 03-02-2011 02:54PM

dolphin city wrote: »

wrong

Most people won't take your arguments as credible unless you provided sources to back it up. Until then you might as well be talking to a wall. Just fyi

weiland79 · 03-02-2011 03:20PM

Azureus wrote: »

Not all Roma gypsies walk around, theres a few in Malahide who sit outside shops with babies and spit at you/shout abuse when you dont give them money
If this law stops stuff like that, Im all kindsa for it!

That and I hate the intimidation of getting money out of an ATM with a beggar right beside me, I always feel like he's two seconds away from robbing me.

If someone ever spat at me for not giving them money i would punch them in the face.......Very hard.

tricky D · 03-02-2011 03:23PM

Fines of up to €200,000 can be levied - on beggars! Genius!

AnonoBoy · 03-02-2011 03:29PM

dolphin city wrote: »

you are obviously still not reading the sentence "this is the first step.....::D:D

First step towards what?

A New World Order?

Or a first step towards people not being harrassed in the street?

They did try to outlaw begging completely last year but Niall Dillon challenged that in court and the law was deemed unconstitutional. That was in 2007 - I don't think they'll attempt to bring the same law in again.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/?jp=MHAUCWCWQLAU

Tubsandtiles · 03-02-2011 03:34PM

Are they going to fine a beggar if they are caught.....wait they wouldn't have any money to pay the fine and bringing them to court will cost money on our part.....great law

LumpyGravy · 03-02-2011 03:34PM

jimthemental wrote: »

I blame the Romans

What did the Romans ever do for us?

mathie · 03-02-2011 03:43PM

Can we ban aggressive boggers?

AnonoBoy · 03-02-2011 03:54PM

mathie wrote: »

Can we ban aggressive boggers?

We can't ban the whole Kerry football team, can we?

allandanyways · 03-02-2011 03:55PM

Glad to hear it. I've stopped using ATMs on the street because of the beggars around them, it's a pain but I've just been intimidated too many times, they do be breathing down your neck and asking "So what are ye gonna do with that nice bit of money?", trying to see your pin number and stuff.

I hope the gardaí really do enforce this law, I nearly got into a scrap with a Roma woman in Temple Bar at the weekend because she just wouldn't stop hassling me, she was pulling at my coat and pushing me, screaming at me to give her money for the baby. I was with a friend from Germany who was absolutely disgusted, she'd never seen begging like that in her life.

I understand if you've no money and kids/a habit to feed you're going to get desperate but the level of aggressive begging in Dublin is absolutely ridiculous.

St.Spodo · 03-02-2011 04:00PM

This really beggars belief.

dolphin city · 03-02-2011 04:02PM

mp3guy wrote: »

Most people won't take your arguments as credible unless you provided sources to back it up. Until then you might as well be talking to a wall. Just fyi

I think it is up to the person who said you need a licence to busk, to prove that you do. (you don't actually - and that's why I wrote "wrong" in that reply).

and as for talking to the wall......well we're all just talking at screens really aren't we.

dolphin city · 03-02-2011 04:04PM

AnonoBoy wrote: »

First step towards what?

A New World Order?

Or a first step towards people not being harrassed in the street?

They did try to outlaw begging completely last year but Niall Dillon challenged that in court and the law was deemed unconstitutional. That was in 2007 - I don't think they'll attempt to bring the same law in again.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/?jp=MHAUCWCWQLAU

once they get their foot in the door.

wait and see.

dolphin city · 03-02-2011 04:05PM

I nearly got into a scrap with a Roma woman in Temple Bar at the weekend because she just wouldn't stop hassling me, she was pulling at my coat and pushing me, screaming at me to give her money for the baby. I was with a friend from Germany who was absolutely disgusted, she'd never seen begging like that in her life.

:D:D:D sounds like what Ireland was like with the IMF.

AnonoBoy · 03-02-2011 04:06PM

allandanyways wrote: »

I was with a friend from Germany who was absolutely disgusted, she'd never seen begging like that in her life.

Of course she hadn't. You know what they did with gypsies in Germany don't you?

Set up housing schemes and got them into low-level employment schemes and then helped them integrate back into society.

What did you think I was going to say?

Mongarra · 03-02-2011 04:12PM

Does anyone know if it covers people begging at pay stations for parking? One in particular has stopped me using that car park.

iamstop · 03-02-2011 04:12PM

squod wrote: »

Well since there's no-one escaping he tax net now. Why is it that revenue aren't prosecuting these people for being non-compliant? Did every guard have to walk on by before now and not ask them about the possible outstanding taxes they may owe to the state?

I mean I get stopped regularly at customs, guarda, revenue check points and hassled about car tax. Why are we not asking the gypsies?

Charities don't pay taxes do they?

No More (Aggressive) Begging, Apparently

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