No More (Aggressive) Begging, Apparently

mp3guy

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/dublin-mayor-welcomes-anti-begging-laws-491960.html

Dublin Mayor welcomes anti-begging laws

03/02/2011 - 07:48:59

The Lord Mayor of Dublin is welcoming the publication of new anti-begging laws.

They were enacted yesterday and will enable Gardaí to move on anyone begging near ATMs, night safes or shop entrances.

A person who begs in an aggressive, intimidating or threatening manner will also be guilty of an offence.

Lord Mayor Gerry Breen said it is a welcome development.

I guess my idea of putting small moats around ATMs is useless now. But really, how do people feel about this?

prinz

mp3guy wrote: »

But really, how do people feel about this?

A step in the right direction.

orourkeda

I blame the romanians

jimthemental

I blame the Romans

squod

Well since there's no-one escaping he tax net now. Why is it that revenue aren't prosecuting these people for being non-compliant? Did every guard have to walk on by before now and not ask them about the possible outstanding taxes they may owe to the state?

I mean I get stopped regularly at customs, guarda, revenue check points and hassled about car tax. Why are we not asking the gypsies?

dolphin city

so at a time when the country is broke, when wages are falling rapidly, when interest rates are going up rapidly, they decide to pass a law against begging.

I see is as a first step in again trying to pretend nothing is wrong in this country. More and more people are going to be homeless or on the poverty line and they are now just starting to make sure that they are not seen or heard - can't have that now can we, when we are trying to fool impress the world how "everthing here is fine, sure there's nobody poor in Ireland" :rolleyes:

IvySlayer

Good stuff!

prinz

dolphin city wrote: »

...they decide to pass a law against begging.

It's not a law against begging. It's a law against the anti-social and borderline intimidatory behaviour of some beggars.

orourkeda

jimthemental wrote: »

I blame the Romans

Them Italians too.

IvySlayer

dolphin city wrote: »

so at a time when the country is broke, when wages are falling rapidly, when interest rates are going up rapidly, they decide to pass a law against begging.

I see is as a first step in again trying to pretend nothing is wrong in this country. More and more people are going to be homeless or on the poverty line and they are now just starting to make sure that they are not seen or heard - can't have that now can we, when we are trying to fool impress the world how "everthing here is fine, sure there's nobody poor in Ireland" :rolleyes:

Bull****.

I ****ing hate people coming up with their hand outstreched looking for money. I hate people lying near ATMs. With the social welfare in this country and the homeless shelters, 90% of beggars are Roma gypsies/junkies/alcos.

It's a great law and I hope it sticks.

Duggy747

Nothing turns me away faster from an ATM than seeing beggers hang around it.

This isn't some sort of "sweep the beggers under the carpet and hide them" thing, it's to stop the intimidation that so many use against the public at said locations.

CreepingDeath

Will this law include Fianna Fail campaigners coming to my door begging for votes ?

Angron

I hated when I was in Dublin seeing people sitting down around ATMs, it was like trying to guilt people who were taking out money into giving them some. Plus, if they are taking out notes, they wont just give them something like a 20.

jimthemental

I think it might be aimed more at groups of youngish scum surrounding you and asking for change. There's nothing against these ****ers as it stands. Fair enough give them change if you want but if your phone or wallet comes into view you may be ready for a beating.

Retrovertigo

While they're at it they should ban those bastard chuggers who by far are the most aggressive form of beggers.

dolphin city

if you read my post it says...."this is the first step....."

do ye not know how the system works yet - get out a little law that has everyone clapping their hands and going along with it, thinking its brilliant, and before you know it your rights are invaded again.

Still the same oul' same oul' and people still falling for it.

AnonoBoy

As stated - they haven't outlawed begging, just given Gardai powers to move people along who are begging in specific areas.

And to be honest I'm in favour of it - I don't like being hassled at ATMs.

I'm not a complete c*nt - I give to charity regularly, I sometimes even give money to people on the street but I don't like being hassled and abused by someone because I won't give them money.

Angron

dolphin city wrote: »

if you read my post it says...."this is the first step....."

do ye not know how the system works yet - get out a little law that has everyone clapping their hands and going along with it, thinking its brilliant, and before you know it your rights are invaded again.

Have ye not learned ANYTHING yet. :rolleyes:

I've learned that you sound like a conspiracy theorist.

jimthemental

Retrovertigo wrote: »

While they're at it they should ban those bastard chuggers who by far are the most aggressive form of beggers.

Jesus no, that's how I get my jollies if I'm in a town on a saturday, pissing these lads off when they overstep the mark. I don't feel bad about it because from the Chugger thread a few months back I know the bastárds make more than me.

dolphin city

Denny M wrote: »

I've learned that you sound like a conspiracy theorist.

is it because I think that nothing is every as simple as it sounds, and there is always a hidden agenda.

do you not think it's odd, that at a time when people are falling below the poverty line rapidly they bring in an anti-begging notice. Do they not want outsiders to realise what is happening in this country. More beggars on the street I say. Let's show up what they have done to the country "in the national interest".

IvySlayer

dolphin city wrote: »

if you read my post it says...."this is the first step....."

do ye not know how the system works yet - get out a little law that has everyone clapping their hands and going along with it, thinking its brilliant, and before you know it your rights are invaded again.

Have ye not learned ANYTHING yet. :rolleyes:

It's not a conspiracy, ''this is the first step'' to what? A curfew? A lot of people want this.

What about my rights not be hassled for money? What about my rights to use an ATM without fear of a junkie waking up beside me trying to sell me a sob story?

Do you like beggars on our streets?

dolphin city

what about buskers - will they be considered beggers?

Sofiztikated

Fantastic. Yet another law that'll be enforced for about a week.

dolphin city

IvySlayer wrote: »

It's not a conspiracy, ''this is the first step'' to what? A curfew? A lot of people want this.

What about my rights not be hassled for money? What about my rights to use an ATM without fear of a junkie waking up beside me trying to sell me a sob story?

Do you like beggars on our streets?

beggars are a part of life in every town. Are you speaking about drug addicts or beggars or are all beggars junkies, or is that your own sterotypical idea of what a beggar is.

IvySlayer

dolphin city wrote: »

is it because I think that nothing is every as simple as it sounds, and there is always a hidden agenda.

do you not think it's odd, that at a time when people are falling below the poverty line rapidly they bring in an anti-begging notice. Do they not want outsiders to realise what is happening in this country. More beggars on the street I say. Let's show up what they have done to the country "in the national interest".

You haven't really read people posts have you, it's not an anti-begging law!

There's a recession on? :eek: They covered that up well in the Dáil, RTE news, the EU, the IMF, the EMF!

Duggy747

dolphin city wrote: »

what about buskers - will they be considered beggers?

Of course not, buskers don't go up and bug people with a bleeding heart story demanding money.

Though with some of the moany dribble some play in the streets..........:pac:

IvySlayer

dolphin city wrote: »

beggars are a part of life in every town. Are you speaking about drug addicts or beggars or are all beggars junkies?

I previously said that 90% of beggars are junkies/alcos/Roma gypsies, at least in my experience anyway.

AnonoBoy

dolphin city wrote: »

what about buskers - will they be considered beggers?

You don't see people busking right beside ATMs all that much. And no they won't be considered beggars but feel free to go 'oh my god they're taking our civil liberties away!'.

They're not really.

And as has been stated numerous times - it's not a law outlawing begging outright.

What about the beggars at Luas stops?

AnonoBoy

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

What about the beggars at Luas stops?

They're already covered by bye-laws I believe.

Angron

dolphin city wrote: »

s it because I think that nothing is every as simple as it sounds, and there is always a hidden agenda.

Well... Yes, pretty much.

prinz

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

What about the beggars at Luas stops?

Especially them. There's one scam artist up at the St Stephen's Green stop that is a bollíx pure and simple. He'll grab change out of your hand, he'll take change from the machine if you get some back. He fiddles with the machines to take money out etc. Reported him the gardaí once but saw the same lad up there again a few weeks later.

destinybabe

orourkeda wrote: »

I blame the romanians

???? Just to clarify, you're blaming Romanians in general or gypsies for begging????

enda1

I think the Gardaí should now search any Roma caught and take all the money they have at the time under the pretence of the criminal assets bureau's funds from criminal activities law.

Professey Chin

orourkeda wrote: »

I blame the romanians

jimthemental wrote: »

I blame the Romans

I blame the Greeks.
They invented gayness

dolphin city

so lemme get this straight - a busker would not be considered begging for money.

So if a "begger" threw a guitar around his neck and sang a few notes, or if he got an accordion and blasted out some random notes, that would be fine???

I'm tell ye, don't start applauding yet - this is only step one.

A bit like when they said you could have a 100 percent mortgage and everyone clapped - they are handing back their houses now and I don't hear any encores.

watch and learn

prinz

dolphin city wrote: »

so lemme get this straight - a busker would not be considered begging for money. So if a "begger" threw a guitar around his neck and sang a few notes, or if he got an accordion and blasted out some random notes, that would be fine???

No it wouldn't, a busker in your face as you use an ATM asking for money, or a busker accosting people as they enter and leave shops is just as bad. Buskers tend not to do either of those things.

dolphin city wrote: »

I'm tell ye, don't start applauding yet - this is only step one.

OK Jim.

speedboatchase

dolphin city wrote: »

so lemme get this straight - a busker would not be considered begging for money.

So if a "begger" threw a guitar around his neck and sang a few notes, or if he got an accordion and blasted out some random notes, that would be fine???

I'm tell ye, don't start applauding yet - this is only step one.

A bit like when they said you could have a 100 percent mortgage and everyone clapped - they are handing back their houses now and I don't hear any encores.

watch and learn

You need a license to busk - busking is street performance

dolphin city

speedboatchase wrote: »

You need a license to busk - busking is street performance

wrong

AnonoBoy

dolphin city wrote: »

so lemme get this straight - a busker would not be considered begging for money.

So if a "begger" threw a guitar around his neck and sang a few notes, or if he got an accordion and blasted out some random notes, that would be fine???

I'm tell ye, don't start applauding yet - this is only step one.

A bit like when they said you could have a 100 percent mortgage and everyone clapped - they are handing back their houses now and I don't hear any encores.

watch and learn

What the hell has this to do with mortgages?

And how many times do you have to be told - it's not a law against begging, it's a law against aggressive begging and begging in certain locations.

I'd say if a busker parked himself right beside an ATM he'd find himself moved pretty soon too.

enda1

Hopefully this also means that Dave McSavage's intimidation and general arseholery will be told to move on/arrested.

Bottle_of_Smoke

I'm not a racist but this law is pointless as Roma gypsies walk around begging rather than wait at machines.

Will people please stop giving them money and they might f*ck off.

stovelid

Maybe it could also be extended to those Airtricity fuckers that try and doorstep you all the time.

Azureus

Not all Roma gypsies walk around, theres a few in Malahide who sit outside shops with babies and spit at you/shout abuse when you dont give them money
If this law stops stuff like that, Im all kindsa for it!

That and I hate the intimidation of getting money out of an ATM with a beggar right beside me, I always feel like he's two seconds away from robbing me.

dolphin city

AnonoBoy wrote: »

What the hell has this to do with mortgages?

And how many times do you have to be told - it's not a law against begging, it's a law against aggressive begging and begging in certain locations.

I'd say if a busker parked himself right beside an ATM he'd find himself moved pretty soon too.

you are obviously still not reading the sentence "this is the first step.....::D:D

mp3guy

dolphin city wrote: »

wrong

Most people won't take your arguments as credible unless you provided sources to back it up. Until then you might as well be talking to a wall. Just fyi

weiland79

Azureus wrote: »

Not all Roma gypsies walk around, theres a few in Malahide who sit outside shops with babies and spit at you/shout abuse when you dont give them money
If this law stops stuff like that, Im all kindsa for it!

That and I hate the intimidation of getting money out of an ATM with a beggar right beside me, I always feel like he's two seconds away from robbing me.

If someone ever spat at me for not giving them money i would punch them in the face.......Very hard.

tricky D

Fines of up to €200,000 can be levied - on beggars! Genius!

AnonoBoy

dolphin city wrote: »

you are obviously still not reading the sentence "this is the first step.....::D:D

First step towards what?

A New World Order?

Or a first step towards people not being harrassed in the street?

They did try to outlaw begging completely last year but Niall Dillon challenged that in court and the law was deemed unconstitutional. That was in 2007 - I don't think they'll attempt to bring the same law in again.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/?jp=MHAUCWCWQLAU

Tubsandtiles

Are they going to fine a beggar if they are caught.....wait they wouldn't have any money to pay the fine and bringing them to court will cost money on our part.....great law

LumpyGravy

jimthemental wrote: »

I blame the Romans

What did the Romans ever do for us?