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Inset Stove

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 189 ✭✭sooty_soupy


    yabadabado wrote: »
    I am in the process of changing my open fire and putting in a insert.I have a fireplace like the one pictured but with dark granite hearth and I have the same problem were I need to remove the inner part of the fireplace,tiles and cast iron.

    trad_regency.jpg

    Im going to do what sooty_Soup has shown and im wondering what this material is?

    Attachment not found.

    I was thinking about putting granite in to match the hearth .What other materials have people used/would recommend?

    BTW this thread has been a wonderful help.

    What we use is 5mm steel painted with Clearview's paint. It tends to look very well. Natural stone should be fine, but be aware that expansion and contraction can pose a problem so ask the company supplying the stone if it can cope with the heat.

    Have a look at the fact sheet I have attached
    Modifying for Vision inset fact sheet.pdf


    Hope this helps


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 648 ✭✭✭PeteHeat


    piskins72 wrote: »
    Hi, just came across this thread and have a question, can any one tell me if these inset stoves are suitable for a fireplace that already has a firefront installed? don't know if any one remembers these things, http://www.donedeal.co.uk/donedeal/classifieds/viewFullPhoto.jsp?cid=4781328&ad=1761002

    the fireplace also has a back boiler installed so I am wondering if this would be possible because of that? :confused:

    Hi, that is an old style Stanley fire front not an inset stove, they were big in the 1980's and they worked with back boilers because they were fixed to the front of the fireplace.

    If in good condition not a bad deal at that price, better than the open fire, take care to ensure you have a flat 18" opening not the standard 16".

    Hope that helps,

    .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 383 ✭✭piskins72


    PeteHeat wrote: »
    Hi, that is an old style Stanley fire front not an inset stove, they were big in the 1980's and they worked with back boilers because they were fixed to the front of the fireplace.

    If in good condition not a bad deal at that price, better than the open fire, take care to ensure you have a flat 18" opening not the standard 16".

    Hope that helps,

    .

    my fireplace already has one of those but I am looking to replace it, it was the only place I could find a proper pic of one to show what I meant :) I think the reason it was installed initally was because the open fire used to smoke a lot. have found a company in Waterford that do a stove type fire front so will look into that more as its more what I am looking for, thanks for the reply


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,608 ✭✭✭✭yabadabado


    What we use is 5mm steel painted with Clearview's paint. It tends to look very well. Natural stone should be fine, but be aware that expansion and contraction can pose a problem so ask the company supplying the stone if it can cope with the heat.

    Have a look at the fact sheet I have attached
    Modifying for Vision inset fact sheet.pdf


    Hope this helps
    Cheers sooty.I haven't put the stove in yet ,didn't want the hassle around xmas time.I have since learned I wont have the clearence above the stove to the wood mantle so I will have to get a new mantlepiece.all I need is a surround as the hearth is ok.I was thinking of marble,anyone be able to give an estimate of the price considering I won't need a hearth ot insert ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 648 ✭✭✭PeteHeat


    piskins72 wrote: »
    my fireplace already has one of those but I am looking to replace it, it was the only place I could find a proper pic of one to show what I meant :) I think the reason it was installed initally was because the open fire used to smoke a lot. have found a company in Waterford that do a stove type fire front so will look into that more as its more what I am looking for, thanks for the reply

    Hi,

    Boru stoves make a similar fire front called Doras of course like any stove (including Stanley) they are not designed to fix chimney problems

    http://www.borustoves.ie/doras.html

    .


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 363 ✭✭Nobbies


    Hello to everyone that contributed to this thread over the last couple of years. I have been reading with great interest the various views and opinions from everyone. I’m considering replacing an open fire with a Waterford Stanley Cara Inset Stove, which seems to be relatively new to the market and according to the manufacturers, it is their best selling stove for the last decade, however I have so far been unable to find any reviews on this specific stove, having looked on boards, whatstove.co.uk etc… I would appreciate any information relating to the Cara as this is the stove I am interested in, due to it’s traditional look for my traditionally styled home.
    Thanks in advance for any help…Nobbies


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,422 ✭✭✭just do it


    The Clearview comes with it's own clever starter pipe that connects into the stove, so the standard flex adapter is fine.

    904 grade liner is used when people are going to be slumber burning for long periods and are urning coal products as it is more robust against the corrosive gasses from such. 316 is fine for wood and turf use only, although you are buying one of the best multi fuel stoves on the market if you go for a Clearview, so why limit the type of fuel you can burn on it by fitting the cheaper flue. 316 carries a 10 year warranty and 904 is 20, so make of that what you will.

    Vermiculite is not to be used to insulate the back of the stove, so it will need a rockwool plug to contain it before fitting the stove.

    How much is it to have such systems installed into an existing chimney roughly 8m high, particularly using 904 grade liner?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 127 ✭✭CashMoney


    Your fire front would need to be removed, and so would the boiler to fit most inset stoves, as the very nature of a true inset is that the body slides into the opening, but allows a convection current to bring the heat into the room. Have a look at this link to see what I mean
    http://www.countydownstovesandflues.co.uk/images/stories/Vision%20inset%20fact%20sheet.pdf

    Hope this helps

    Does that wooden fire surround contravene building regulations? I thought that stoves had to be a minimum clearance from combustible materials.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,608 ✭✭✭✭yabadabado


    Nobbies wrote: »
    Hello to everyone that contributed to this thread over the last couple of years. I have been reading with great interest the various views and opinions from everyone. I’m considering replacing an open fire with a Waterford Stanley Cara Inset Stove, which seems to be relatively new to the market and according to the manufacturers, it is their best selling stove for the last decade, however I have so far been unable to find any reviews on this specific stove, having looked on boards, whatstove.co.uk etc… I would appreciate any information relating to the Cara as this is the stove I am interested in, due to it’s traditional look for my traditionally styled home.
    Thanks in advance for any help…Nobbies

    My parents put one in around sept/oct and they are very happy with it.the heat output is excellent,they use turf and wood and they reckon they are burning less than half the amount of fuel compared to the open fire.also there seems to be very little ash ,do these stoves burn the fuel more/better?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 363 ✭✭Nobbies


    Thanks Yabadabado... good to hear it directly from someone, rather listening to the sale patter...
    yabadabado wrote: »
    I am in the process of changing my open fire and putting in a insert.

    What kinda insert stove are you thinking of putting in?


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,824 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    Stovax Riva 66 8KW inset stove (multi fuel)

    My 2 cents worth.:)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,969 ✭✭✭buck65


    I put in a Waterford Stanley Cara Insert stove last November and I love it! Really once she gets going a shovel of coal will keep it going for a few hours. I got the enamel version as the matt one sold out in record time and Stanley were out of them but I needed it for XMas.
    I think Stanley are running a promotion on them soon . Mine is the non boiler option. Yes they are dearer than some other models out there and will probably come down within the year but for parts etc. they are a safe option.
    You won't be sorry.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 127 ✭✭CashMoney


    paddy147 wrote: »
    Stovax Riva 66 8KW inset stove (multi fuel)

    My 2 cents worth.:)

    Nice. Have you sparked it up yet?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 127 ✭✭CashMoney


    I recently installed a Fiachra inset into my existing fireplace and I'm very happy with it. I used skamelex fire resistant panel at the front and sides of the stove. The only thing is the panel above the stove for about 6 inches gets very hot (too hot to keep your hands on for more than 2 seconds hot). What options do I have with regards painting this panel? I have Rustins black heat resistant matt but would prefer something a bit more interesting. Has anybody else painted above the stove and what did they use? Would just plain old matt emulsion be OK?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,824 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    CashMoney wrote: »
    Nice. Have you sparked it up yet?


    I have,and its lovely.It takes logs up to 350mm in length and chucks out some whack of heat too.:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 127 ✭✭CashMoney


    paddy147 wrote: »
    I have,and its lovely.It takes logs up to 350mm in length and chucks out some whack of heat too.:)

    Does the wall above the stove get hot at all? Have you any concern about plaster cracking or paint peeling?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,824 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    CashMoney wrote: »
    Does the wall above the stove get hot at all? Have you any concern about plaster cracking or paint peeling?


    Wall above the stove up to about 15 inches does get hot to the touch,the builder and plaster,er used fireproof plasterboard and high temp plaster,the paint is fine.

    Its an 8Kw rated stove so it does chuck some serious heat when its going.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 127 ✭✭CashMoney


    paddy147 wrote: »
    Its an 8Kw rated stove so it does chuck some serious heat when its going.

    Wouldn't mind seeing that bad boy in action. You don't have any videos of it in all it's glory by any chance?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,824 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    CashMoney wrote: »
    Wouldn't mind seeing that bad boy in action. You don't have any videos of it in all it's glory by any chance?


    I aint that sad to make a video of my stove



    But I took a pic instead,with 1 log in it at the time... (pmsl):pac::pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4 emh


    I've been following this discussion with great interest as we try to decide whether to install a free-standing or insert/inset stove into the sitting room of an old house. I am very concerned about the lack of clear information that is available in many of the outlets selling stoves and believe the Dept. of the Environment should produce a guide, aimed for consumers which interpret the Building Regs as simply as possible. I have a question about the clearance required for a free-standing stove within a chimney recess. Diagram 26 of the N.Ireland regulations shows an appliance in a recess, but does not give details and the Irish document does not have an equivalent diagram at all. I would appreciate any clarification on this.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46 kosmo


    paddy147 wrote: »
    I aint that sad to make a video of my stove



    But I took a pic instead,with 1 log in it at the time... (pmsl)

    Hi Paddy,
    we are loking to install the same stove as you, or to go for Boru600
    can you tell me if you fitted yours in the old fireplace or is this a new build?
    did you have the chimney relined?
    if not confidential, how much did it cost you?
    thanks


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,824 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    kosmo wrote: »
    Hi Paddy,
    we are loking to install the same stove as you, or to go for Boru600
    can you tell me if you fitted yours in the old fireplace or is this a new build?
    did you have the chimney relined?
    if not confidential, how much did it cost you?
    thanks


    Fitted into an old horrible 70,s style red brick stove that was in the house when I bought it.The minute I saw the fireplace,I knew it had to go.

    Chimney breast was taken apart and rebuilt by the builder,to suit the Stovax stove,this was part of a big house renovation/extension project.

    Chimney was then lined with twin wall stainless flexi flue,filled with vermiculite and anti down draught/anti bird cowl too.

    As far as I can remember,it cost around 2.5-3k euro for the Stove,sourcing the flue kit,installing it,chimney demolition and then rebuild.

    Chimney breast has fireproof plasterboard and high temp plaster as a finish coat,and hasnt cracked from the heat of the stove.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46 kosmo


    good thinking in changing that fire place :P
    i saw that you have wiring for TV above the stove.
    is that ok?
    isn't the heat too strong for the tv?
    we don't know know where to have the tv in the living room, but if we could have it above the fireplace it would be great.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,824 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    kosmo wrote: »
    good thinking in changing that fire place :P
    i saw that you have wiring for TV above the stove.
    is that ok?
    isn't the heat too strong for the tv?
    we don't know know where to have the tv in the living room, but if we could have it above the fireplace it would be great.


    I have 4 different TV and HDMI points in the sitting room.

    I decided not to place the TV over the inset stove,as the stove is a feature of the room and looks nice the way it is.Nice,clean and Uncluttered looking.:)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2 melmaher


    buck65 wrote: »
    I put in a Waterford Stanley Cara Insert stove last November and I love it! Really once she gets going a shovel of coal will keep it going for a few hours. I got the enamel version as the matt one sold out in record time and Stanley were out of them but I needed it for XMas.
    I think Stanley are running a promotion on them soon . Mine is the non boiler option. Yes they are dearer than some other models out there and will probably come down within the year but for parts etc. they are a safe option.
    You won't be sorry.
    I've just had a new Stanley Cara fitted and it's smoking badly - did you come up against this problem?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 186 ✭✭rpmcs


    Could you tell what was used in installation? flue etc


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭randombar


    Lads thinking of getting this one?

    http://www.hi-flame.com/files/44157_precision_brochure_proof.pdf?PHPSESSID=df867da3f615c33b10fd1d25a3695111


    Has anyone heard anything about hi flame? Was looking at the Cara all right but heard it's hard to get parts after.

    Also the hi flame precision is about 500 euro cheaper.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2 melmaher


    rpmcs wrote: »
    Could you tell what was used in installation? flue etc

    Problem solved (I think) it appears that the smoke was from the appliance burning off. Was advised to burn small fires and to open a couple of windows while the stove was lighting and eventually the smoke stopped. However the enamel flaked away on the surround in a 2" patch. Stanley are replacing the part. Very disappointed though, not a cheap purchase!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 363 ✭✭Nobbies


    melmaher wrote: »
    Problem solved (I think) it appears that the smoke was from the appliance burning off. Was advised to burn small fires and to open a couple of windows while the stove was lighting and eventually the smoke stopped. However the enamel flaked away on the surround in a 2" patch. Stanley are replacing the part. Very disappointed though, not a cheap purchase!

    Hi melmaher, would you come back an tell us what you think of it in few few weeks... once you get over the intital disappointment... to let us know what you think of it??:(


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 371 ✭✭mikehunts


    Hello,
    I am considering getting the stanley cara insert stove myself, i have seen on another site that someone had a problem with the hearth been very hot to touch also i have a timber surround and concerned that it would be only a foot away from top of the stove. does anyone that has this type of stove installed have any problems.


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