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How is the price of a pint calculated?

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  • #52
    BaZmO*
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭BaZmO*


    knipex wrote: »
    Not net profit its Gross margin.
    Prenderb wrote: »
    It's Gross profit, and all of the publican's costs have to come out of that. Though it still sounds nice!

    :o

    Sorry, yeah I know it's Gross Profit. I was in a hurry in work. I'm just in the habit of writing net cost after the final figure.

    That said, it's still an incredible markup even when you consider the overheads. All businesses have overheads.


  • #53
    Geuze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,899 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    SteeveeDee wrote: »
    My local bar at home in Mayo charges 40c for mixer from a standard 2ltr bottle whatever it may be,granted there's not much of a choice but there you go.
    Its an old family run bar,they never really had any small bottled soft drinks as far as I can remember.Basically they just do pints and spirits,mostly whiskey.A pint of Beamish is €2.80 Guinness/Smithwicks €3.00 a glass of powers is €2.85 and Connemara €3.00.

    I must also add that it is one of them pub/shops of old.

    Off topic, but by the sounds of it, I would love to visit this pub.

    I am in Mayo fairly often, near Kiltimagh. Where is this pub??


  • #54
    irish_goat
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 5,816 Mod ✭✭✭✭irish_goat


    BeerNut wrote: »
    Does anyone reckon the prices charged for soft drinks and mixers is fair? Does anyone have a breakdown of the figures like the above?

    55c-60c for a standard bottle of mixer like Coca Cola, 7up etc.


  • #55
    Worztron
    Registered Users Posts: 8,761 ✭✭✭Worztron


    BaZmO* wrote: »
    :o

    That said, it's still an incredible markup even when you consider the overheads. All businesses have overheads.

    Yes, I agree totally. The pubs have been ripping people off for years.

    Mitch Hedberg: "Rice is great if you're really hungry and want to eat two thousand of something."



  • #56
    Rabies
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,258 ✭✭✭✭Rabies


    SteeveeDee wrote: »
    True,but not all pubs have this to deal with.Many rural pubs have no rent or wages to pay outright or have to replenish furniture regularly or have to hire security etc. They also don't suffer from the destruction of toilets that many city bars tend to,I'd imagine that alone is a fairly pricey problem.

    I don't think i would go into the pub trade if its cost me 40k a month to operate, but thats just me.

    My stock and staff costs (including security) alone are $20-25k a week during summer. Throw rent, support office and general over heads on to that and it gets fairly high. Winter it drops a bit, but rent and support office don't.
    General maintenance isn't too bad, the odd broken door, table etc


  • #57
    SteeveeDee
    Registered Users Posts: 103 ✭✭SteeveeDee


    It's Costello's pub/shop near Tristia village,I guess bangor would be the closest town.It'd be a fair drive out to it from Kiltimagh especially on roads that go in circles!

    Geuze wrote: »
    Off topic, but by the sounds of it, I would love to visit this pub.

    I am in Mayo fairly often, near Kiltimagh. Where is this pub??


  • #58
    SteeveeDee
    Registered Users Posts: 103 ✭✭SteeveeDee


    Rabies wrote: »
    My stock and staff costs (including security) alone are $20-25k a week during summer. Throw rent, support office and general over heads on to that and it gets fairly high. Winter it drops a bit, but rent and support office don't.
    General maintenance isn't too bad, the odd broken door, table etc

    What kind of bar is it?By that I mean location,size,opening times,do you serve food,staff,live music,etc.etc.

    I'm just curious as I am having trouble equating it.


  • #59
    the beer revolu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,280 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    Rabies wrote: »
    My stock and staff costs (including security) alone are $20-25k a week during summer. Throw rent, support office and general over heads on to that and it gets fairly high. Winter it drops a bit, but rent and support office don't.
    General maintenance isn't too bad, the odd broken door, table etc

    Come on, high stock costs mean high turn over.
    You cannot include that as an operating cost.
    There's a lot of pubs would love to have huge stock bills.
    You'd be complaining a lot more if you didn't have to spend money to replenish stocks.

    I think everyone here knows that pubs have overheads and any so called profit on a pint does not go straight into the publicans pocket (and if they didn't about five posters here have helpfully pointed this fact out to us).
    What pisses people off is when publicans claim that 'half the price of a pint goes to the government' when it clearly doesn't.
    The mark up on mixers clearly upsets a lot of people.
    And from my point of view, the general apathy shown by most publicans towards craft and quality beer is a big issue, along with untrained staff and ignorant security in many pubs.
    Most other industries lower their prices when sales drop.
    Pubs have done the opposite.


  • #60
    rubadub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,383 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    bog master wrote: »
    Steady on here lads! Lets talk bottles of Bud here 33 cl. From the cash n carry, which by the way is the only way a publican can buy bottles, cans, and spirits,
    Why would this be the case? I remember asking before if there was anything to stop a publican buying lidl brand beer and selling it and somebody (who seemed to be in the trade) said they could do it but reclaiming the VAT would be more troublesome. Currently you can get a bottle of heineken for 75cent including the VAT, so even if they didn't bother trying to reclaim it they are paying far less than your cash & carry ex-Vat price.

    In other threads people have mentioned getting mulitpack beers in pubs, and I have heard stories of publicans going up north. The manager in my local was seen buying up lots of vodka in tesco one day.


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  • #61
    Rabies
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,258 ✭✭✭✭Rabies


    SteeveeDee wrote: »
    What kind of bar is it?By that I mean location,size,opening times,do you serve food,staff,live music,etc.etc.

    I'm just curious as I am having trouble equating it.

    Open 7 days a week.
    Close weekdays between 12am-3am. Weekends by 6:30am.
    Legal capacity of 225.
    No kitchen. Basic bar snacks.
    We are quiet busy 3-4 days/nights a week so thats why spend a lot each week.
    But as rightly pointed out our turn over is pretty good too.
    We'd prob turn over $10-15k more a week than a bar of similar size. But it takes alot of work, it pays off.

    We do take care of our customers though.
    Happy hour 7 days a week and for two whole nights a week too :) Drop our prices by 50% on those nights.

    But because of our location we do have a decent rent to pay. So, not too cheap all the way.

    No live music. Its a bar. Owner won't give me the extra cash to spend in live music :(


  • #62
    SteeveeDee
    Registered Users Posts: 103 ✭✭SteeveeDee


    the beer revolu wrote: »
    And from my point of view, the general apathy shown by most publicans towards craft and quality beer is a big issue, along with untrained staff and ignorant security in many pubs.
    Most other industries lower their prices when sales drop.
    Pubs have done the opposite.

    I agree,publicans should treat there business like a good restaurant.ie good atmosphere,good quality in product and service,rotating menus and good price.

    i hope in the years to follow that bouncers will become defunct.They generally cause more trouble than control.I was recently in a bar in Dublin with my father of 59 summers,not his or my type of place but we had to meet my younger brother,the da strolled out for a cigarette and was told he wouldn't be let back in if he left by a bouncer,my father inquired why?was he was too old?"that's ageism!" in a very thick mayo accent he said,the bouncer didn't know what he said.Apparently there was a queue outside so 1 out 1 in but there was no smoking area in the place and the obvious place people would go is outside the door.I don't know what he had to do on his security course in order to get his permit but it musn't have involved any common sense.


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