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Myers is trolling the teachers again

  • 07-12-2010 10:52AM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭


    True to form - Myers is having a go at those poor teachers again in todays Indo.
    By Kevin Myers

    Tuesday December 07 2010

    Cut to the chase; why were all our schools shut down for the first 10 days of real winter? Was there a hidden paragraph in the Croke Park deal which no one outside the teaching profession noticed, namely:
    "When teachers do not feel conditions are quite right for teaching, our schools shall be shut until the unions feel they should be open. Teachers shall still be paid for their time off, but shall not be expected to make good the lost teaching time during their annual holidays."
    I already know the teachers' reaction to this column: shrill and angry. When they had their conferences last Easter, my name was invoked (as was John Walshe's) as a hate-figure. That teachers might still be living in a wholly unreal world -- as indeed is the entire public sector under the shelter of that infamous and unprincipled capitulation to union-power -- was not even considered back then. No, indeed: those who say it is raining, with hurricanes to come, are apparently the wicked ones. Blame them, not the weather.
    Last week, I took some of my six weeks' annual leave. In the gathering snow in local farmers' suppliers, customers were queuing up to buy salt to keep their farms working. Employees there who lived in the heart of the Wicklow Hills got up before 6am to make sure they got to work on time. Every shop in Blessington was open by first light. Kenny's Bakery -- which in a brilliant gesture of defiance began fresh-baking superb French sticks and pastries, seven days a week, just as the recession really took hold -- was open as always at 8am. In Ballymore Eustace, all the businesses have remained steadfastly trading, though snowfall there is now well over two feet.
    On Wednesday, we went to Dublin Airport. Everyone was working flat out to ensure the airport and the airlines functioned. We returned on Friday. There was an air of utter determination to ensure that it was Business As Usual. Yet throughout Ireland over the past 10 days, all our schools have remained closed. There is and can be no justification for this. If every single business around us can open while the mornings are still dark, and the snow lies thick on the fields, why are the schools not open?
    One friend (not local) rang the local school manager, a Catholic priest (another column for another day) to know why the school was closed. Two teachers had reported they couldn't make it to school, and so he had closed the entire school. All right: did Aer Lingus choose not to fly anywhere because a couple of pilots were marooned behind a snowdrift? Did this newspaper not appear because a couple of printers had trouble getting to Citywest? You know the answer to such inane questions.
    Teachers not being able to get to work is one excuse for our closed schools. Excuse number two is health and safety: snow on the playground, et cetera. Good. But is there not snow on the hills where the schoolchildren have spent the last week or more sledging? And if lawyers' greed has made litigation arising from schoolyard snow and ice too likely, why were teachers and parents not mobilised to clear the snow? If farmers were able to buy large amounts of salt to clear their farms of snow, why were school management boards not able to do likewise in our schools?
    Last week alone, in only the third month of this semester, Irish schoolchildren lost 4pc of their total education for the year. To judge from last winter, we might have another four months of bad weather ahead of us. Are our schools to close every time we get a snowfall? And if they do, how will our teachers spend their time? Marooned at home? Or perhaps shopping, or getting their hair done (according to hairdressers, last week was a particularly good one for teachers).
    And what happens to the children of two-job parents? Who will mind them while the schools are closed, yet the rest of the economy (well, what's left of it) still functions?
    Okay, so you teachers don't like me writing a column like this, and you'll probably ask silly, angry questions at your next conferences about how much I earn, and how easy I have it. These are irrelevancies. Just answer this, please. When we saw ordinary working people rising well before dawn on bitterly cold mornings across Ireland to make sure they'd get to their jobs on time, in what way were you doing your Socratic duty by not working? If all the economic institutions of Ireland, our buses, our trains, our airlines, and this newspaper, were able to operate in those Arctic conditions, why not the schools (or, indeed, dear God, Trinity College)?
    I don't want to appear melodramatic here, but we all know what is now at stake: the very survival of Ireland as a self-governing entity, rather than as an abject economic colony of the ECB. So, in precisely what way have Ireland's teachers been helping Ireland's future in the past 10 days?
    Equally, what lesson have they been teaching the schoolchildren in their charge? That bad weather is a good excuse for dossing?
    - Kevin Myers
    Irish Independent


    I dont get it myself either though. Last week, at the first hint of snow, while the rest of us were getting up earlier to struggle to work, my teachers friends were on FB gloating about their duvet days. they even decided well before the weekend in alot of cases, around Wednesday, that they'd be closed until at least the middle of this week.

    I dont buy this whole 'the kids can slip and claim' from us argument either. Apart from the fact that kid seem to get on fine every where else during the snow - local farmers or machine owners are in no cases that I'm aware of asked to clear the grounds which is something I'm sure they would gladly do. When I was a kids there was heating problems - surely in this day and age that's no excuse either.

    They are the most vocal, the most militant of public servants out there and yet they unashamedly snuggle up in front of the fire when there a few inches of snow. No excuse for that except laziness...it's harsh, but I dont buy any of their reasoning.


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Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,775 ✭✭✭✭kfallon


    Facebook is for cnuts!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,797 ✭✭✭karma_


    That gobshíte is one to talk about Socratic duty.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭thebigbiffo


    kfallon wrote: »
    Facebook is for cnuts!

    that's why i signed up - kinda like a social club for c'unts:pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,183 ✭✭✭storm2811


    If a principal decides to close a school then it's closed, end of, not much the teachers can do.
    Also with country schools like mine about 70% of the students don't live in the town and when the back roads are icy, as they are now, the bus drivers won't drive on them and what's the point going to work when there's no children to teach?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,791 ✭✭✭up for anything


    My neighbour left this morning at 7.00am to drive the 45 miles to where she teaches. She hasn't missed a day yet due to the roads, unless her school has been closed. She says she would feel especially guilty about her leaving cert pupils if she didn't go in. I moan about getting out of the estate which is probably the easiest part of her drive.





    ETA: Kevin Myers gives me a pain in the ass and not in a good way.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 774 ✭✭✭lucy2010


    Teachers dont choose to close the school. Chair of the board generally makes that decision in conjunction with school management. I know many a teacher who is bracing themselves for the new reality of summer holidays possibly starting in Mid July next year if they have to make up the days.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭thebigbiffo


    storm2811 wrote: »
    If a principal decides to close a school then it's closed, end of, not much the teachers can do.
    Also with country schools like mine about 70% of the students don't live in the town and when the back roads are icy, as they are now, the bus drivers won't drive on them and what's the point going to work when there's no children to teach?

    principle = teacher. i'm aware that principles make that decision and in actual fact that makes it worse. my MD wouldn't dream of shutting down the entire operation just because it's snowing.

    and what about 2 parent working families? they would make sure to get their kids to school if the bus wasn't running but instead they've been forced to take days off due to full closures. not on imo.

    anyway, this craic of not being able to get anywhere is b'ollox. 95% of the country is perfectly ok to drive on as long as you give yourself enough time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭thebigbiffo


    lucy2010 wrote: »
    I know many a teacher who is bracing themselves for the new reality of summer holidays possibly starting in Mid July next year if they have to make up the days.

    aww bless their poor souls:pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,183 ✭✭✭storm2811


    principle = teacher. i'm aware that principles make that decision and in actual fact that makes it worse. my MD wouldn't dream of shutting down the entire operation just because it's snowing.

    and what about 2 parent working families? they would make sure to get their kids to school if the bus wasn't running but instead they've been forced to take days off due to full closures. not on imo.

    anyway, this craic of not being able to get anywhere is b'ollox. 95% of the country is perfectly ok to drive on as long as you give yourself enough time.

    I'd agree with the part about the parents having to stay home due to closures but there's not much that can be done but hire a babysitter.

    No, the roads are NOT okay to drive on, the main roads yes, but the backroads, no feckin way.
    A busdriver would be mad to try and drive a coach full of children on the lanes, most of them are like sheets of ice atm.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 774 ✭✭✭lucy2010


    Principal ,only in teaching principal positions is not a teacher, they are a manager. Do employees make decisions to close companies for snow? No, the MD does .


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,097 ✭✭✭Herb Powell



    anyway, this craic of not being able to get anywhere is b'ollox. 95% of the country is perfectly ok to drive on as long as you give yourself enough time.
    nope, I live on a ****e country road with 2 big hills I have to get UP AND DOWN if I want to go anywhere. And that's aside from whatever condition the roads are in after that. I couldn't get groceries until Sunday ffs. The couple of inches of ice made driving impossible and stupid.


  • Posts: 26,920 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I hate the use of the word "troll". So he's living under a bridge, is it?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,572 ✭✭✭msg11


    Firstly the guy sounds like a moron.

    The schools close down for many reasons.

    If the heating fails they can't have pupils in freezing conditions.

    If someone falls, they will more than likly sue the bollox out of the school, which will send the operation cost of the school up threw the roof sending the budget out the window.

    School teach people not make money unlike supermarkets, papers, airoports.

    What I also I don't get is that people look at a school as some form of child day care , which it is not.

    So if they want to close the school let them. I am sure there is a bloody good reason for it. There would be a handful of teachers who would like the day off, but I could put money on it that a hell of alot of them would rather be there. Christmas exams , Junior Cert and Leaving Certs years they ain't going to move the dates cause of the snow, and I doubt a teacher would want to look poorly in front of other staff.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    anyway, this craic of not being able to get anywhere is b'ollox. 95% of the country is perfectly ok to drive on as long as you give yourself enough time.

    So what like,three to four hours to get to school maybe?
    You're talking out your arse.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭thebigbiffo


    storm2811 wrote: »
    I'd agree with the part about the parents having to stay home due to closures but there's not much that can be done but hire a babysitter.

    No, the roads are NOT okay to drive on, the main roads yes, but the backroads, no feckin way.
    A busdriver would be mad to try and drive a coach full of children on the lanes, most of them are like sheets of ice atm.

    yes but i'm not talking about running buses - 90% of employees in every other organisation as far as i can see are making work. they should be there whether 2 children show up or 200 so parents have the choice to get them there if need be. very very few people are stranded - i drive back roads every day and i know it's difficult but anybody who says not to drive at all on secondary roads is either not a confident driver, a bad driver or has a penchant for the dramatic. btw: i've 2 kids and i could not organise a babysitter at the drop of a hat.
    lucy2010 wrote: »
    Principal ,only in teaching principal positions is not a teacher, they are a manager. Do employees make decisions to close companies for snow? No, the MD does .

    doesn't matter, same difference. as said before, they are the only MD/Managers in the country who decided at the drop of a hat (along with their management committees) to close altogether, and not just on a day to day basis but for a prolonged period. i think it beggars belief.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,566 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    My daughters school was closed Friday and that's all. The school next door has been closed for over a week now. How can one stay open and one be forced to close?

    Mind you, one of the teachers got married a few weeks back, so they closed the whole school for the day. She has been engaged for two years yet couldn't manage to get married during the 9 weeks of holiday, or even a Saturday for that matter.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    principle = teacher..
    Principal
    95% of the country is perfectly ok to drive on as long as you give yourself enough time.
    Incorrect


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,097 ✭✭✭Herb Powell


    i drive back roads every day and i know it's difficult but anybody who says not to drive at all on secondary roads is either not a confident driver, a bad driver or has a penchant for the dramatic..
    I'd call sliding 200m down a hill uncontrollably fairly dramatic


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,572 ✭✭✭msg11


    My daughters school was closed Friday and that's all. The school next door has been closed for over a week now. How can one stay open and one be forced to close?

    Different management, would see fit to open other dose not.

    I don't know what the other thing has to do with snow or anything?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭thebigbiffo


    Degsy wrote: »
    So what like,three to four hours to get to school maybe?
    You're talking out your arse.

    i live in the country and do not go near a main road on my commute as does my wife who drops the kids to the creche/playschool; they haven't closed incidentally, probably because their a private company and run professionally unlike schools. i manage my commute according to the extra time it takes to travel - why can teachers?

    you're forgetting also that schools are community based - so i dont know where you're getting 3-4 hours from assuming you're talking about the kids being dropped there.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭thebigbiffo


    Blondini wrote: »
    Incorrect

    link?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 792 ✭✭✭Japer


    I dont get it myself either though. Last week, at the first hint of snow, while the rest of us were getting up earlier to struggle to work, my teachers friends were on FB gloating about their duvet days. they even decided well before the weekend in alot of cases, around Wednesday, that they'd be closed until at least the middle of this week.

    I dont buy this whole 'the kids can slip and claim' from us argument either. Apart from the fact that kid seem to get on fine every where else during the snow - local farmers or machine owners are in no cases that I'm aware of asked to clear the grounds which is something I'm sure they would gladly do. When I was a kids there was heating problems - surely in this day and age that's no excuse either.

    They are the most vocal, the most militant of public servants out there and yet they unashamedly snuggle up in front of the fire when there a few inches of snow. No excuse for that except laziness...it's harsh, but I dont buy any of their reasoning.
    Myers is right about the teachers. Remember on RTE tv a few years ago and there was a group of them outside the overseas property exhibition in Dublin, bragging about how they "invested" in overseas property as they needed somewhere to go to when on holidays and when they retired, and it showed 2 of them after buying in Dubai. Ask any auctioneer who was the biggest buyer of holiday homes during the boom + he/she will unhesitantingly say the teachers / lecturers. Now they can sit at the fire, look forward to their nice long Xmas holidays and laugh at the minister for finance giving his budget and at the rest of us.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 106 ✭✭Sparkyd2002


    Kevin Myers is talking out of his arse and being deliberately provocative as always. teachers do not make decision to close schools. The board of management does.Now i have been driving back roads to and from work allweek.I have had my journey time doubled driving at sloooow speeds and getting up earlier to get to work. Im pi**ed off that our local school closed for a whole week but I dont blame the teachers. yes some of them probably milked it and maybe some even posted on their face book pages boasting. Clowns if they did but that doesnt change the fact it wasnt their decision. Myers always has an agenda, an axe to grind with the establishment (take the catholic priest comment as a clue there!) and while im no fan of either the unions, the public service or the catholic church I unlike Myers will not try and blame them if my car doesnt start, or if my house floods or the damn roads are icy. people like him being deliberately inflammatory about everything undermine the genuine concern us level headed normal people have about society and the state of the country. God I'd even take his attack on school teachers a bit more seriously if he even had kids!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    i live in the country and do not go near a main road on my commute as does my wife who drops the kids to the creche/playschool; they haven't closed incidentally, probably because their a private company and run professionally unlike schools. i manage my commute according to the extra time it takes to travel - why can teachers?

    you're forgetting also that schools are community based - so i dont know where you're getting 3-4 hours from assuming you're talking about the kids being dropped there.

    The standard of grammar in this posts explains your vendetta against teachers. You obviously had a poor learning experience.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,566 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    msg11 wrote: »
    Different management, would see fit to open other dose not. U

    I don't know what the other thing has to do with snow or anything?
    Differentwork ethic is the correct phrase,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,674 ✭✭✭Mardy Bum


    The Principal closes the school or in some cases the Board of Management however let that not hinder the anti-teacher gobsh*te posts from all the experts.


    Principal =/= teacher

    Principal=former teacher


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭thebigbiffo


    Blondini wrote: »
    The standard of grammar in this posts explains your vendetta against teachers. You obviously had a poor learning experience.

    your in the wrong thread for that kind of condesending s'hite there buddy - go somewhere else.

    see bold writing in quotes for your embarassing fall back to reality - how utterly utterly stupid you've just made yourself look.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 106 ✭✭Sparkyd2002


    your in the wrong thread for that kind of condesending s'hite there buddy - go somewhere else.

    see bold writing in quotes for your embarassing fall back to reality - how utterly utterly stupid you've just made yourself look.

    ROFL:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭ascanbe


    That article is dumb and lazy even my Myers standards.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 294 ✭✭Nicki123


    Blondini wrote: »
    The standard of grammar in this posts explains your vendetta against teachers. You obviously had a poor learning experience.

    Wow - how ignorant! You're obviously a teacher on a "snow day", with nothing better to do than make personal comments about a person you know nothing about. How clever of you :rolleyes:


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