Prostitution in Ireland.

drkpower · 03-12-2010 01:29PM

curlzy wrote: »

It's only (some) men that seem to think it's ok to pay someone for use of their body. Pity damn sick and sad IMO.

I think there are a fari few women who think its ok; and even a few who might avail of male escort/prostitutes. So it isnt just men.

But in any case, the fact that few/some/many find it distatsteful, doesnt mean it should be illegal.

03-12-2010 01:32PM

curlzy wrote: »

...treating a woman like a piece of crap...

What, exactly, does that have to do with prostitution? If I pay a plumber to come in and fix my heating, is that treating them like a piece of crap? What if I just pay someone to move some heavy stuff?

I find people who follow Big Brother/the X-factor/insert-crap-here sad and pathetic. Does that mean it should be illegal?

curlzy · 03-12-2010 01:33PM

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Woah there. And youre the one having a go at me for making assumptions ?

:D:D Yeah it's annoying, isn't it???

2 stroke · 03-12-2010 01:38PM

I went back to that website to see what the situation was like in my local county. The girl, that was in front of me at the petrol station this morning, is there, she's smoking hot, I actually rang her/got directions/ring her again when nearby. Not if my life depended on it would I go there, but if I were somewhere I wasn't known, and not in a relationship, and she was available, I think I'd visit at least once. Five other girls available localy but they wouldn't interest me, I'd rather have a w***.

phill106 · 03-12-2010 01:43PM

Ix Deadmau5 wrote: »

Would this count?

Jeez, NSFW! NSFW!

Mike 1972 · 03-12-2010 01:46PM

phill106 wrote: »

Jeez, NSFW! NSFW!

Thanks for that. Id never have expected a NSFW link in a thread about prostitution :pac:

03-12-2010 01:46PM

phill106 wrote: »

Jeez, NSFW! NSFW!

I think if you just randomly open links in a thread about prostitution in Ireland in After Hours without checking the URL beforehand, you probably deserve to be fired.

And if you did check the URL and thought www.escort-ireland.com would be a safe-for-work site, you definitely deserve to be fired

2 stroke · 03-12-2010 01:46PM

You're in a thread, in After Hours, discussing prostitution. surely you're not in work

Dravokivich · 03-12-2010 01:47PM

Motley Crue wrote: »

I recently read an article about Irish Prostitution. It claims that while many acts, such as soliciting and operating a brothel are illegal, the act of prostitution between two consenting adults (presumably done in private or secret) is perfectly legal.

The only stipulation is that Ireland's law demands you are 18 to be a prostitute. Surely somebody in the Government has raised the issue of changing the law so that people can be prosecuted for acts of prostitution?

In these economic times, or just generally Irish times, is Prostitution actually that prevalent in Ireland? Have I been living under a rock for most of my life because, and I've heard stories from the likes of Leeson Street, but never had much knowledge that prostitution really existed in Ireland.

My question, would you pay for sex with a complete stranger as if it were another business transaction?

Where do you think Molly Malone's name came from?

Dublin was well known amongst european sailors as somewhere to get their jolly when they docked in through out the 19th century.

but to get to your point... I would be of the opinion that if you were to have an issue with prostitiution, you have issues with every other industry that directly relates to sex, such as adult toys, sexy underwear and pornography.

I don't think prostitiution is a problem, human trafficing, slavery and forcing someone to do something against their will is a problem, but that isn't a problem unique to prostitiution or any other elements of the sex industry.

Motley Crue wrote: »

That website is a disgrace - most of the women appear to be foreign nationals, and the Irish women (who identity themselves) mark their faces so as not to be identified, while giving some obviously dodgy mobile number

Listen, not to be a prude or anything, but would someone actually pay 3,500Euro to spend all day and all night with this girl, surely there's a cheaper and simpler way to do it!

And look what's written at the bottom

Never heard it referred to as that before

I'll admit I've viewed that site several times before. Have just browsed through it.

That site is nothing more then a directory listing that people can advertise themselves on, along with the activities that they'd be willing to participate in.

They've also got a forum on that site, where punters and escorts casually chat about various things and build up a commuinity or something casual. There is nothing seedy or decrepid about it at all.

Also, what exactly is the issue with the amount of foreign escorts on that site? I would only be concerned about the foreign escorts on that site under the following conditions;

1) Multiple escorts have exactly the same profile / contact details.
2) Every single photo on the profile is from the back.
3) There's multiple escorts who admit to having little English based in the same area.

And they don't occur too often.

If you were to browse through that website fully, you'd know that the person who manages it, is a former escort. She is also actively envolved in promoting awareness of Human Trafficing as are the punters who regularly use that website.

Mike 1972 · 03-12-2010 01:48PM

28064212 wrote: »

And if you did check the URL and thought www.escort-ireland.com would be a safe-for-work site, you definitely deserve to be fired

But It was time to replace the company car and I thought I might go for a Ford this time.

AnonymousPrime · 03-12-2010 01:53PM

Einhard wrote: »

Just an example of how ludicrousour laws are in this regard. There was a man prosecuted recently in Cork for running a brothel. S'posedly he was making a mint. The girls who worked for him said they worked in a safe, clean environment and made an excellent living, and felt under no compulsion to do what they were doing. And yet somehow, the man was busted, is now in prison, and the girls out of work.

Yes but was he paying tax?
That will be the final straw: a body tax

Monty Burnz · 03-12-2010 02:02PM

curlzy wrote: »

Yes :Biofair Organic Fair Trade Rice Crispies, :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: Look if you use prostitutes that's up to you but don't expect me not to have an opinion because YOU've decided I'm less than perfect, again that's just pathetic. I see a big difference between treating a woman like a piece of crap and eating food grown in China (mine isn't but that's beyond the point). Just give up already you've stopped making sense.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

I don't think many men would pay to have sex with a piece of crap.

I think perhaps that women who have contempt for men who have sex with prostitutes are a bit like men who have contempt for women who have lots of one-night stands. The women do not appreciate how difficult it can be for men to actually get sex at all, and the men do not appreciate what it is like to have sex on tap if you want it.

Perhaps it would be best if judgement was reserved all round?

Mike 1972 · 03-12-2010 02:17PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I think perhaps that women who have contempt for men who have sex with prostitutes are a bit like men who have contempt for women who have lots of one-night stands. The women do not appreciate how difficult it can be for men to actually get sex at all

It can also be difficult for a lot of women (and men) to appreciate what a daunting, intimidating and downright cruel place the conventional dating scene can be for those who dont measure up to societys warped ideals of physical attractivness, confidence, wealth, social skills, youth and freedom from any kind of illness or disability.

Monty Burnz · 03-12-2010 02:23PM

Mike 1972 wrote: »

It can also be difficult for a lot of women (and men) to appreciate what a daunting, intimidating and downright cruel place the conventional dating scene can be for those who dont measure up to societys warped ideals of physical attractivness, wealth, social skills, youth and freedom from any kind of disability.

Indeed. Without wanting to personalise the issue, I wonder has Curlzy ever told some poor sap who approached her in a nightclub or pub to get lost? We all know guys like that who get shot down every time. Exactly how many kicks in the teeth is that guy supposed to endure to meet a basic human need?

Millicent · 03-12-2010 02:28PM

curlzy wrote: »

No I wouldn't, but then I'm a women. It's only (some) men that seem to think it's ok to pay someone for use of their body. Pity damn sick and sad IMO. The men that use prozzies are beyond pathetic.

I have to ask a question here. Not attacking in any way -- I've just always been very curious about this viewpoint. What is the difference between selling bodily property for sexual use and selling your mental or physical property in any other workplace? All require some aspect of selling a part of yourself -- your ideas, your labour, your sexual ability so I don't understand the distinction.

Is selling the use of your sexual organs any worse than working a demeaning minimum wage job where you are denigrated by management and the public? In some of my study on the subject, prostitution was often of giant advantage to women from poor socioeconomic backgrounds who earned a good wage for something arguably low-skilled in contrast to others who had to struggle with two or three jobs.

You're imparting your judgement of sex and its value on those who choose to sell it. I'd wager you see it as a very personal, almost protected interaction and that is absolutely fine if you do -- I see the logic. But for the men and women who don't see it that way, why is there anything offensive about them monetizing it? Different horses and all that.

*Disclaimer -- I'm female and a feminist. Just including that so it's clear that not only "(some) men" think there is an inherent value in prostitution.

Dravokivich · 03-12-2010 02:34PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Indeed. Without wanting to personalise the issue, I wonder has Curlzy ever told some poor sap who approached her in a nightclub or pub to get lost? We all know guys like that who get shot down every time. Exactly how many kicks in the teeth is that guy supposed to endure to meet a basic human need?

You're making sexual gratification sound like an obligation there.

Millicent wrote: »

*Disclaimer -- I'm female and a feminist. Just including that so it's clear that not only "(some) men" who think there is an inherent value in prostitution.

I wouldn't see that as a disclaimer, I'd consider that as a reason for objectifying yer opinion.

Too many people get caught up in their hearts when discussing prostituition.

Mike 1972 · 03-12-2010 02:37PM

Dravokivich wrote: »

You're making sexual gratification sound like an obligation there.

No theyre not.

Theres a world of difference between politely declining the approaches of a person (who is not intoxicated or obnoxious) in whom one has no interest and being rude, cruel and/or downright abusive towards them.

Monty Burnz · 03-12-2010 02:39PM

Dravokivich wrote: »

You're making sexual gratification sound like an obligation there.

It's not an obligation, but it is a fundamental drive. Or am I wrong?

Dravokivich · 03-12-2010 02:54PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

It's not an obligation, but it is a fundamental drive. Or am I wrong?

I said you made it sound like, not that you were implying it is.

Millicent · 03-12-2010 02:55PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

It's not an obligation, but it is a fundamental drive. Or am I wrong?

There is indeed a social aspect to prostitution. (Sorry, I've done a lot of essays on the subject -- I'll shut up soon! :pac:) There is a country (I think Denmark, could be wrong though) where prostitution for the disabled is paid for by the government. The reasoning is that sexuality is a basic need and aggression, depression and other melancholies decreased after physical contact with another human being.

Nobody deserves never to be touched or held in a way that makes them feel good or denied even the opportunity to orgasm within a safe, monitored environment.

There are prostitutes who cater primarily for people with disabilities -- I see that as a contribution almost on a par with social work as it is providing a necessary support and release to people who may not have the opportunity otherwise.

There are also people who visit prostitutes just to talk and who build up friendships with them. I think it's awful harsh to deny someone this avenue to feel like a cared for person just because some consider paying for sex distasteful.

2 stroke · 03-12-2010 02:58PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

It's not an obligation, but it is a fundamental drive. Or am I wrong?

It is very much an obligation in our pc society. I don't think I could deal, professionaly with female staff/customers, if I hadn't had gratification of some kind recently.

Bottle_of_Smoke · 03-12-2010 03:01PM

Carlos_Ray wrote: »

Something I find even more disgusting than prostitution, is the "Thai bride" situation. Old or Ugly men, travelling to third world countries to pick up women. These women, not only sell their bodies, but also their soul.

The story of the middle aged loser who still lives with his mother and never had a girlfriend, travelling to Thailand and returning with a bride is sadly very common. He brings her to his local in a vain attempt to announce his late arrival into manhood, but nobody is fooled. Everybody can see the utter distain in the young girls eyes. She hates him, and even worse she hates herself.

That's stereotypical nonsense. A friend of mine's mum is Thai and had an Irish dad who was a good bit older. The hatred thing you're on about is bollocks she was devestated when he died.

It is no different from a rich man marrying a pretty 25 year old irish girl, and you wouldn't be spouting that crap about her. Guess what marriages aren't like the fairy tales, everythings a transaction.

Millicent · 03-12-2010 03:05PM

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

That's stereotypical nonsense. A friend of mine's mum is Thai and had an Irish dad who was a good bit older. The hatred thing you're on about is bollocks she was devestated when he died.

It is no different from a rich man marrying a pretty 25 year old irish girl, and you wouldn't be spouting that crap about her. Guess what marriages aren't like the fairy tales, everythings a transaction.

Depends on the specific marriage, tbh. Have you ever seen Louis Theroux's Thai bride documentary? Worth a look as it's really interesting. (The full thing is on YouTube.) But you of course are right too. It depends on the two people involved in the marriage -- one of the guys on the Louis doc was divorced from many Thai women as he didn't treat them properly.

MazG · 03-12-2010 03:06PM

I'm wondering where is the evidence that if only prostitution were legal, then it would all be lovely and cosy. Only people who fully choose to charge for sex would become prostitutes, there would be no pimps, no trafficking, no coercion, people would not be objectified etc etc...

I'm not aware of it being anything other than a pretty seedy scene in countries where it is legal

Also, I'm not particularly comfortable with the notion that somehow people deserve sexual gratification and are entitled to it.

So yeah, if someone I knew had sex with a prostitute, I'd have a pretty low opinion of them. And to those of you who think that is a judgemental attitude: Yes, it is.

Wolfe Tone · 03-12-2010 03:11PM

Wait, there are people out there whose job is to have sex with handicapped people, and you view that as social work?

I view that as degrading for everyone involved.

Hands up who would be happy with their daughter being the prostitute in question? Or a prostitute at all?

Monty Burnz · 03-12-2010 03:13PM

MazG wrote: »

I'm wondering where is the evidence that if only prostitution were legal, then it would all be lovely and cosy. Only people who fully choose to charge for sex would become prostitutes, there would be no pimps, no trafficking, no coercion, people would not be objectified etc etc...

I'm not aware of it being anything other than a pretty seedy scene in countries where it is legal

Also, I'm not particularly comfortable with the notion that somehow people deserve sexual gratification and are entitled to it.

So yeah, if someone I knew had sex with a prostitute, I'd have a pretty low opinion of them. And to those of you who think that is a judgemental attitude: Yes, it is.

You're right, there is not perfect system in any sphere of human affairs - regulating the industry would not mean the end of all the ills. On the other hand, my priority would be the health and safety of the men and women who choose to work in the industry (for the excellent pay you can get for little time spent working, with no particular qualifications). By regulating the industry properly, hopefully you would shrink the amount of space that exists in the market for trafficked or otherwise coerced women down to a small percentage of what it is today. Law enforcement could then focus specifically on that criminal area. Ideally, it would be eliminated totally - but the world doesn't seem to work like that.

Millicent · 03-12-2010 03:14PM

MazG wrote: »

I'm wondering where is the evidence that if only prostitution were legal, then it would all be lovely and cosy. Only people who fully choose to charge for sex would become prostitutes, there would be no pimps, no trafficking, no coercion, people would not be objectified etc etc...

I'm not aware of it being anything other than a pretty seedy scene in countries where it is legal

Also, I'm not particularly comfortable with the notion that somehow people deserve sexual gratification and are entitled to it.

So yeah, if someone I knew had sex with a prostitute, I'd have a pretty low opinion of them. And to those of you who think that is a judgemental attitude: Yes, it is.

I didn't say anyone deserved sexual gratification.

I'm also not so naive that I think it would be all lovely and cosy for the people involved. A lot of that though pertains to the prevailing attitudes of people towards sexuality. Perhaps not in this generation but if prostitution was widely legalised and not dismissed as seedy or otherwise and those attitudes were allowed to die out, it is not unthinkable that working as a prostitute would be held in any different regard as being a masseuse or something along the same lines.

Millicent · 03-12-2010 03:16PM

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Wait, there are people out there whose job is to have sex with handicapped people, and you view that as social work?

I view that as degrading for everyone involved.

Hands up who would be happy with their daughter being the prostitute in question? Or a prostitute at all?

So what if you view it as degrading? The prostitutes involved don't. Their clientele don't. So really, what's so degrading about it?

Monty Burnz · 03-12-2010 03:16PM

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Wait, there are people out there whose job is to have sex with handicapped people, and you view that as social work?

I view that as degrading for everyone involved.

Hands up who would be happy with their daughter being the prostitute in question? Or a prostitute at all?

Hands up who would be happy with their son being a soldier in Afghanistan? Or a coal miner? Or a bin man?

There are plenty of jobs I would not like my children to do. However, when they are adults they will make their own cost/benefit analyses on these things an do what they prefer.

And, as I believe I outlined on an earlier thread, I would personally consider prostitution as a career were that path open to me. It's not. (unless any ladies here....:pac::pac::pac:)

Wolfe Tone · 03-12-2010 03:17PM

Millicent wrote: »

I didn't say anyone deserved sexual gratification.

I'm also not so naive that I think it would be all lovely and cosy for the people involved. A lot of that though pertains to the prevailing attitudes of people towards sexuality. Perhaps not in this generation but if prostitution was widely legalised and not dismissed as seedy or otherwise and those attitudes were allowed to die out, it is not unthinkable that working as a prostitute would be held in any different regard as being a masseuse or something along the same lines.

Will society benifit from prostitution being viewed as "just a job"? I don't think it will. Will play into the sense of instant gratification many people have. Sex is something you pay for.

Prostitution in Ireland.

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