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will COD turn my child into a raging maniac?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,477 ✭✭✭✭Raze_them_all


    They just wanted the sega for themselves!!! My sister found out santa didn't exist sneaking downstairs to see if santa came to find my da playing the megadrive which I got off santa the next day!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭liah


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    What I can't understand is that some parents(like mine!!) got pissed at me playing the good aul sega megadrive for hours on end, yet were perfectly happy to let me watch telly!

    Hypocrites, I'd say. Both are as bad/good as each other.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 779 ✭✭✭papajimsmooth


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    What I can't understand is that some parents(like mine!!) got pissed at me playing the good aul sega megadrive for hours on end, yet were perfectly happy to let me watch telly!

    I used to hate my parents for that except it was nintendo because im pro :). I actually asked Dad about this a few years ago and he said it was because i had no sense of anything else when i was playing games whereas i would get bored of tv after a while


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,477 ✭✭✭✭Raze_them_all


    liah wrote: »
    Hypocrites, I'd say. Both are as bad/good as each other.
    If I remember correctly you use yer brain more when playing video games, it increases hand eye co-ordination and ican mproves memory skills. When watching tv your brain is less functioning than hen yer sleeping.

    (this could all be me imagining this though)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭liah


    If I remember correctly you use yer brain more when playing video games, it increases hand eye co-ordination and ican mproves memory skills. When watching tv your brain is less functioning than hen yer sleeping.

    (this could all be me imagining this though)

    Depends on the game and depends on the tv/movie tbh.

    Lots of completely mindless games out there and lots of very thought provoking, challenging tv shows out there too.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    liah wrote: »
    I may have wanted videogames all the time when I was young but looking back now I'm actually delighted my mother chose to raise me on books and animals and the outdoors and limit my time on the TV til I hit my mid teens.

    I didn't get my first console til I was 14-- and even then I was only allowed on it for maybe 3 hours a day, tops, during summers (an hour during school). I made up for it in a short space of time, I love and adore videogames, but I really would've hated it if my entire childhood got sucked into them and I turned into an addict like so many actually have done.

    Games as a hobby when you're older and can actually process and understand them and be responsible about them is grand. Children can't really do that til they hit a certain age, and self-monitoring/responsibility is out the window for most until well into their late teens.

    I would let them play stuff like Portal very early on though.

    Reading or music or playing outside are far more important up to the ages of probably about 11 or 12, though I'd phase it in around maybe 7 or 8, very limited though. When they're 16 (or when they show me they're sensible) they can do what they like in terms of games.

    I have a 7 year old nephew who has a Wii, he loves games and my sister is happy to let him play them for an hour a night or so, he loves racing games (he actually puts me to shame playing stuff like F1 2010 and Gran Turismo, he can hold the racing line better than I can lol) and he loves stuff like Mario Kart, Mario Galaxy (even though hes always asking me to pass the harder stages for him) and he even enjos retro games. When he was a toddler I used to let him sit on my lap and play my ps2, he was happy out just mashing the buttons even if he wrecked my games of Kingom Hearts lol :pac:
    but hes defintely very clever and well able to use logic and solve puzzles even as young as he is, and I wouldnt put it past games as being a big part of that, problem solving, hand eye co-ordination, its all part of it.

    I dont agree with letting kids play stuff like GTA and MW2, and when I worked in HMV we used to warn so many parents who were buying stuff like San Andreas for the 9 year old sitting beside them, and these would be the same people who would be ringing Joe Duffy a few days later lambasting these "sick" games. Parental responsibility plays a big part, but theres nothing wrong with letting a kid play Mario Kart or something a few hours a week. I grew up playing video games, from the Atari to the Nes to the SNES to N64 and everything along the way, but me and my group of game nerd friends were still socialising, playing sports and doing everything else kids are supposed to do, even if an occasional 6hr session of Street Fighter 2 Turbo got in the way sometimes :D

    tldr: games good in right doses, adult games not bad for kids, silly parents bad for kids.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,319 ✭✭✭weiland79


    Just keep the Spaz and the keys to the Hind lock safely away until he is 18 problem solved.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭previous user


    way way to young for a kid to be playing that sort of game.:eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭liah


    krudler wrote: »
    I have a 7 year old nephew who has a Wii, he loves games and my sister is happy to let him play them for an hour a night or so, he loves racing games (he actually puts me to shame playing stuff like F1 2010 and Gran Turismo, he can hold the racing line better than I can lol) and he loves stuff like Mario Kart, Mario Galaxy (even though hes always asking me to pass the harder stages for him) and he even enjos retro games. When he was a toddler I used to let him sit on my lap and play my ps2, he was happy out just mashing the buttons even if he wrecked my games of Kingom Hearts lol :pac:
    but hes defintely very clever and well able to use logic and solve puzzles even as young as he is, and I wouldnt put it past games as being a big part of that, problem solving, hand eye co-ordination, its all part of it.

    I dont agree with letting kids play stuff like GTA and MW2, and when I worked in HMV we used to warn so many parents who were buying stuff like San Andreas for the 9 year old sitting beside them, and these would be the same people who would be ringing Joe Duffy a few days later lambasting these "sick" games. Parental responsibility plays a big part, but theres nothing wrong with letting a kid play Mario Kart or something a few hours a week. I grew up playing video games, from the Atari to the Nes to the SNES to N64 and everything along the way, but me and my group of game nerd friends were still socialising, playing sports and doing everything else kids are supposed to do, even if an occasional 6hr session of Street Fighter 2 Turbo got in the way sometimes :D

    tldr: games good in right doses, adult games not bad for kids, silly parents bad for kids.

    That's all well and good for him, it's just not how I would raise my kid. I think reading is the most important thing, because with reading comes knowledge and information and understanding and I'd rather them spend an afternoon with a book than a game.

    Again, I love games just as much as anyone else but growing up? It would've ruined me, I wouldn't have the love or respect for books I have now. A lot of my generation hates books and reading and a lot of it has to do with way too much time sitting in front of a screen. I don't want that for my kid. I really don't. Not til they're at least 8, 9, or 10, depending on their maturity. And even then, VERY small doses.

    If they were to play videogames it would be something like Portal-- engaging, interesting, fun, creative. Makes your brain work. But CoD or another popular adult game? No way. Not for violence reasons, but for the simple fact that they get addicted and there's no substance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,698 ✭✭✭Risteard


    I wouldn't say it'll do him any harm aslong as , has been said already, he has other interests, which you say he has. I was playing Mortal Kombat when I was 4 or 5. Didn't do me any harm.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    liah wrote: »
    That's all well and good for him, it's just not how I would raise my kid. I think reading is the most important thing, because with reading comes knowledge and information and understanding and I'd rather them spend an afternoon with a book than a game.

    Again, I love games just as much as anyone else but growing up? It would've ruined me, I wouldn't have the love or respect for books I have now. A lot of my generation hates books and reading and a lot of it has to do with way too much time sitting in front of a screen. I don't want that for my kid. I really don't. Not til they're at least 8, 9, or 10, depending on their maturity. And even then, VERY small doses.

    If they were to play videogames it would be something like Portal-- engaging, interesting, fun, creative. Makes your brain work. But CoD or another popular adult game? No way. Not for violence reasons, but for the simple fact that they get addicted and there's no substance.

    Oh he reads too, my sister is halfway through reading the Hobbit with him :)

    I agree its all about balance, I dont think kids should be deprived of doing something they find fun but at the same time I dont want my kids if I ever have any gawping at a tv for hours a day either.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    The Hobbit is a kick ass book.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    The Hobbit is a kick ass book.

    Sure is, he loves the LOTR movies but the books are a bit complicated for him, the Hobbit is a bit easier to read.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    One thing I will say, dont let a kid play World of Warcraft. That sh!t is mega addictive.Even now having just mentioned it I wanna go play.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭liah


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    One thing I will say, dont let a kid play World of Warcraft. That sh!t is mega addictive.Even now having just mentioned it I wanna go play.

    I have three rules in life.

    1) I will not play World of Warcarft. Ever.
    2) I will not start a relationship with someone who plays World of Warcraft. Ever.
    3) I will never allow my child to play World of Warcraft. Ever.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    One thing I will say, dont let a kid play World of Warcraft. That sh!t is mega addictive.Even now having just mentioned it I wanna go play.

    Had thought about getting into it myself when I was off work ill for months, seemed a way to pass the time but I'm glad I didnt, I played MW2 instead :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    liah wrote: »
    I have three rules in life.

    1) I will not play World of Warcarft. Ever.
    2) I will not start a relationship with someone who plays World of Warcraft. Ever.
    3) I will never allow my child to play World of Warcraft. Ever.
    It really is a terrific game. You just can't stop though!

    It literally ate a whole summer one, wasted! Then my sub ran out and I discovered that there are free servers out there..... Which are a bit crap, so I managed to wean myself off


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,838 ✭✭✭✭3hn2givr7mx1sc


    Been playing/watching GTA and Resident Evil for as long as I can remember and I've never had the urge to kill someone, nor have I ever been addicted to the games. Football Manager, however, don't buy him that.:pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭liah


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    It really is a terrific game. You just can't stop though!

    It literally ate a whole summer one, wasted! Then my sub ran out and I discovered that there are free servers out there..... Which are a bit crap, so I managed to wean myself off

    It isn't. It's grind. Constant grind. If you want to do anything else in the game, like raids, you have to basically give your whole life to the thing as the people in your guild now essentially own you. Any "upgrades" are just redesigns of old stuff with a couple more numbers added on. Half of it is bots from people farming.

    I will never touch it and I'm not joking when I say I won't date anyone who plays it. Not a hope in hell. Once I got ignored for an MMO the first time, I made sure as hell it wasn't going to happen again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    liah wrote: »
    It isn't. It's grind. Constant grind. If you want to do anything else in the game, like raids, you have to basically give your whole life to the thing as the people in your guild now essentially own you. Any "upgrades" are just redesigns of old stuff with a couple more numbers added on. Half of it is bots from people farming.

    I will never touch it and I'm not joking when I say I won't date anyone who plays it. Not a hope in hell. Once I got ignored for an MMO the first time, I made sure as hell it wasn't going to happen again.

    I hate grinding in games, I bought Demons Souls and traded it in after a few days as I just couldnt be arsed replaying sections again to get XP for new swords and all that shite, I like games that have a narrative rather than just levelling up constantly, even though playing multiplayer COD you do that too but its a natural progression, and its a laugh playing with the lads from boards. but my kinda games are the story driven ones, Uncharted, Metal Gear, Heavy Rain etc. oh and all things Mario (that actual games not the spinoffs, Galaxy 2 is fricking amazing and I wont hear a bad word said about it) oh and Zelda, even if it is the same game with different graphics every time, oh look a boomerang, wonder will I need to use this on the boss at the end of this temple :pac:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 779 ✭✭✭papajimsmooth


    Wow is definitely the best/worst game i have ever played. Im glad i stopped playing but i do miss playing it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,732 ✭✭✭Magill


    liah wrote: »
    That's all well and good for him, it's just not how I would raise my kid. I think reading is the most important thing, because with reading comes knowledge and information and understanding and I'd rather them spend an afternoon with a book than a game.

    Again, I love games just as much as anyone else but growing up? It would've ruined me, I wouldn't have the love or respect for books I have now. A lot of my generation hates books and reading and a lot of it has to do with way too much time sitting in front of a screen. I don't want that for my kid. I really don't. Not til they're at least 8, 9, or 10, depending on their maturity. And even then, VERY small doses.

    If they were to play videogames it would be something like Portal-- engaging, interesting, fun, creative. Makes your brain work. But CoD or another popular adult game? No way. Not for violence reasons, but for the simple fact that they get addicted and there's no substance.


    The thing is.... you dont have a child and you have no experience raising one. I agree with you that no 4 year old should be playing call of duty or any other adult game, but to say that being allowed to play games as a kid would ruin you is just silly. There are plenty of games that are great for children, some are just as beneficial to a child as reading a book would be, others are just great fun.... thats what children do btw... have fun. Obviously its different if your parents had let you play games 8 hours a day as a 5 year old.. but a few games of mario would do far more good than harm.

    Oh, and your right to avoid wow players :D Life destroyer..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    liah wrote: »
    It isn't. It's grind. Constant grind. If you want to do anything else in the game, like raids, you have to basically give your whole life to the thing as the people in your guild now essentially own you. Any "upgrades" are just redesigns of old stuff with a couple more numbers added on. Half of it is bots from people farming.

    I will never touch it and I'm not joking when I say I won't date anyone who plays it. Not a hope in hell. Once I got ignored for an MMO the first time, I made sure as hell it wasn't going to happen again.
    Fair enough!

    I really enjoyed it, took up way too much time though. I agree with the guild things.... I once was on a raid which took nearly 10 hours on some ****ty private server. After that I never raided again. I enjoyed the social aspect of it though, met loads of cool people. Its that I miss most about it I suppose. Finally gave it up by deleting the 20gb install, no way I will download that much again!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    I'd rather have a kid playing Mario than reading Twilight, put it that way :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭liah


    Magill wrote: »
    The thing is.... you dont have a child and you have no experience raising one. I agree with you that no 4 year old should be playing call of duty or any other adult game, but to say that being allowed to play games as a kid would ruin you is just silly. There are plenty of games that are great for children, some are just as beneficial to a child as reading a book would be, others are just great fun.... thats what children do btw... have fun. Obviously its different if your parents had let you play games 8 hours a day as a 5 year old.. but a few games of mario would do far more good than harm.

    I never said ALL games, I mentioned Portal at least twice! I said adult games in pretty much all my posts as far as I'm aware.

    I don't mind kid's games, on them I would just limit the time on them to maybe 20min tops at the age of 4.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,732 ✭✭✭Magill


    liah wrote: »
    I never said ALL games, I mentioned Portal at least twice! I said adult games in pretty much all my posts as far as I'm aware.

    I don't mind kid's games, on them I would just limit the time on them to maybe 20min tops at the age of 4.

    Ahhh... i thought by
    Again, I love games just as much as anyone else but growing up? It would've ruined me, I wouldn't have the love or respect for books I have now.
    You meant games in general and that if you played games you couldnt love books also.... do you think its healthy for a child to spend hours reading books ?

    I loved playing games and messing about with computers and technology as a child. I still do, its probably the main reason I went back to uni to do a software engineering degree and why i love programming so much. I've never liked reading books, its just not something that interests me, im more of a math guy. Give me a problem to solve any day of the week.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 30 RickBockwinkle


    If you teach your child that it's not real, and that that's not how you should behave in the real world, then all should be well.

    If you think your child is too young to understand the difference, then don't let them play it.

    The important thing to remember is that the video game won't do anything to your child.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    If you teach your child that it's not real, and that that's not how you should behave in the real world, then all should be well.

    If you think your child is too young to understand the difference, then don't let them play it.

    The important thing to remember is that the video game won't do anything to your child.
    "Now now johnny, you are not to run around with your M16 killing people, OK?"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,606 ✭✭✭Jumpy


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    One thing I will say, dont let a kid play World of Warcraft. That sh!t is mega addictive.Even now having just mentioned it I wanna go play.

    I dont see it any more. I would rather stab myself in the eye than play it again. Which was odd because I used to love it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,606 ✭✭✭Jumpy


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    "Now now johnny, you are not to run around with your M16 killing people, OK?"

    Thats what the P90 is for.


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