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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭Odysseus


    I travel to the Sahara as often as possible, local papers have done a few interviews, so its common knowledge in a small country estate


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,235 ✭✭✭✭flahavaj


    Why is the OP going on about his guns and motorbikes in a thread about him talking about sex to children?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭Odysseus


    Because it was mentioned that they may have asked me because I'm was seen as a "cool" person, the kids often ask questions about both


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 43,043 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    So it wasn't an out of the blue thing, it's normal for the local kids to sidle up to you and go "Ere Mister..."

    Still it's nice to see that not all kids are told not to talk to adults, it take a village/community to rear kids imho,
    to many these days are disconnected from it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭Odysseus


    Thaedydal wrote: »
    So it wasn't an out of the blue thing, it's normal for the local kids to sidle up to you and go "Ere Mister..."

    Still it's nice to see that not all kids are told not to talk to adults, it take a village/community to rear kids imho,
    to many these days are disconnected from it.

    Yes and no, if I'm about to head i the fields to hunt I won't engage, because of what I have in my possession. If they ask about the desert or the bikes its different.

    But it a sad thing that I'm very conscious of the "talk" that can come from a single male seen speaking to the kids regularly. I would know the fellow who asked the question mate better. Could tell you his name but he stops me often enough to ask about the above actives, like when I'm coming back from hunting "did I get anything". That make sense?

    Edit: never got a question like last night before


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭sponsoredwalk


    I think the unwritten assumptions in this post are my favourite :D
    Sardonicat wrote: »
    What I mean is that, given that this guy claims to work with abuse
    survivors, he really should be more careful about engaging in sexual
    conversation with two kids (by his own estimation 12-14) who are not
    known to him because sex is a shameful topic that should be left to
    children to figure out for themselves because they'd rather walk up
    to a stranger & ask instead of asking their parents
    , regardless of how
    tactful he did it or well intentioned it was meant.

    He should know only too well the mechanisms of grooming because this
    is obviously relevant everytime we talk to kids & although I'm not
    insinuating he was grooming children I'll just mention it anway for
    unspecified reasons
    . It really should not be encouraged for a kid that
    young to be getting sexual education from a complete (adult) stranger
    they know nothing about because I think that kids this young are too
    innocent, I mean it's not like a kid of 9 would know the answer to
    this question - are you mad, or a pervert?
    :eek:.


    Fine, the op is alright, but the next guy he asks might not be and even
    though that has absolutely no relevance to the point I'm making
    about the OP being irresponsible I'll mention it anyway because it's
    somehow relevant
    .

    Not to mention what the kid's parents would think assuming they didn't
    already give the kids a fob story motivating them to ask a stranger
    instead
    .

    I do find it hard to believe that someone who works with abuse survivors
    would do something like this because even though I don't see talking to
    children about natural human issues as abuse I will just mention this
    randomly
    . The OP is not the only person on here who works/worked with
    vulnerable people. This would not be regarded as good practice because
    talking to children on the street is work
    . The opposite, in fact.
    Therefore, I find his actions disturbing.

    All joking aside I think your outlook is utterly ridiculous & nothing you've
    said actually holds any substance it is just fearmongering which while
    I'm sure you may feel this way is just crazy with regard to reality. I'm not
    in the business of lying to children or holding back on answering a question
    that a kid was curious enough to ask about. I bet he'd asked loads of
    people on the street who fobbed him off & it didn't stop him, a bit
    of honesty from human beings isn't a bad thing.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,289 ✭✭✭ebixa82


    In fairness Sardonicat has already said he was abused and so will have a particular stance on the situation which will be different to that of more level headed thinking people who have not been abused...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭Gunsfortoys


    ebixa82 wrote: »
    In fairness Sardonicat has already said he was abused and so will have a particular stance on the situation which will be different to that of more level headed thinking people who have not been abused...

    I don't think that is fair to other people who have been subject to abuse and are still level headed.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,289 ✭✭✭ebixa82


    I don't think that is fair to other people who have been subject to abuse and are still level headed.

    Point taken. I'm not generalising here, just that Sardonicat's attitude, although wrong, may be deemed as justifiable in his eyes..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,243 ✭✭✭✭Jesus Wept


    Still awaiting confirmation of what happens when chicks get a boner.

    [ ] thread delivers


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭Odysseus


    ebixa82 wrote: »
    Point taken. I'm not generalising here, just that Sardonicat's attitude, although wrong, may be deemed as justifiable in his eyes..

    Just to say even if he does not agree with me, his point of view is his subjective right.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,289 ✭✭✭ebixa82


    Odysseus wrote: »
    Just to say even if he does not agree with me, his point of view is his subjective right.

    That's a given..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 344 ✭✭blogga


    I think this thread is utterly bizarre and needs to be locked. I think any adult with common sense would have avoided a conversation about sex with 14 years olds in the context descibed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭Odysseus


    blogga wrote: »
    I think this thread is utterly bizarre and needs to be locked. I think any adult with common sense would have avoided a conversation about sex with 14 years olds in the context descibed.
    Why and how would you have avoided it?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 344 ✭✭blogga


    i'm going to take the fact that you asked as confirmation that you lacked the social skill to avoid the situation. You have to realise that engaging in that discussion has made you vulnerable to all sorts of follow ups. Get the thread closed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭sponsoredwalk


    blogga wrote: »
    i'm going to take the fact that you asked as confirmation that you lacked the social skill to avoid the situation. You have to realise that engaging in that discussion has made you vulnerable to all sorts of follow ups. Get the thread closed.

    :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭Odysseus


    blogga wrote: »
    i'm going to take the fact that you asked as confirmation that you lacked the social skill to avoid the situation. You have to realise that engaging in that discussion has made you vulnerable to all sorts of follow ups. Get the thread closed.

    I'm a clinician well used to dealing with sex violence, I also know about being vulnerable, as for lacking social skills:rolleyes: You do not answer my question of why and how?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 344 ✭✭blogga


    :pac:

    I was referring to one. Geddit?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 344 ✭✭blogga


    Odysseus wrote: »
    I'm a clinician well used to dealing with sex violence, I also know about being vulnerable, as for lacking social skills:rolleyes: You do not answer my question of why and how?

    Of course not. You had to ask. You obviously don't know. Otherwise you would have avoided the situation.
    BTW I used the singular.
    I find it difficult to believe that any professional adult would engage in that conversation in the context supplied.
    /end of my contribution here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭sponsoredwalk


    blogga wrote: »
    I was referring to one. Geddit?

    What social skill do you refer to, would it be the one where you humour
    children & treat them like lesser beings by not giving them honest answers
    to questions they ask? Or how about the one where we're too shy to have
    an honest conversation about an aspect of life that is for some reason
    taboo, unjustifiably, in our culture? Were you referring to that other
    social skill where a policeman inside your head prevents you from speaking
    to a child for fear of someone else seeing you & assuming your "grooming"
    them? So many of these skills to choose from so I'd ask you to clarify
    whhich one you were passionately referring to that some of us are
    obiously unaware of?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭Odysseus


    What social skill do you refer to, would it be the one where you humour
    children & treat them like lesser beings by not giving them honest answers
    to questions they ask? Or how about the one where we're too shy to have
    an honest conversation about an aspect of life that is for some reason
    taboo, unjustifiably, in our culture? Were you referring to that other
    social skill where a policeman inside your head prevents you from speaking
    to a child for fear of someone else seeing you & assuming your "grooming"
    them? So many of these skills to choose from so I'd ask you to clarify
    whhich one you were passionately referring to that some of us are
    obiously unaware of?

    I don't think you will get an answer, what I find interesting is certain people's disbelief around me being a clinician. I'm a psychoanalyst been studying and working Freudian theory for over 13 yrs. As if a Freudian is going to run away from a sexual question:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,772 ✭✭✭✭Whispered


    Obviously people have different ideas of what is and is not appropiate to speak about with children you don't know.

    Personally speaking, if I heard a random woman had a conversation like that with my 12 year old sister, I would be slightly disturbed. Granted that may be down to my own views, you might think this is the "problem with society" and we need to be more open etc, but you have to respect the fact that a lot of people would feel that way.

    The people who are saying that it's way to PC to even consider, that what the OP did could be seen as inappropiate, can you honestly say that if your child came home and said that a man up the road told you what happens to a woman when she gets aroused, you wouldn't mind at all?

    I'm sure the OP meant no harm and I'd imagine it was a very informative conversation :p but surely you need to respect other peoples boundaries. And many peoples boundaries would lie pretty far from having a stranger give your child a sex ed class on the street.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭sponsoredwalk


    If a random woman started a conversation about sex with your 12 year old
    sister I'd think you'd be best off calling the police.
    If your 12 year old sister started a conversation asking questions to this
    random woman & she answered honestly I'd be disturbed as to why my
    12 year old sister chose to go to strangers to ask such questions...
    I think people are confusing the situation for what they assume is the
    worst case scenario all because a taboo subject is being discussed &
    they chose to let their imaginations do the talking as opposed to their
    brains. The op clearly states that a kid comes up to him asking questions
    yet all we read are insinuations of disturbing grooming & questions about
    moral & social character. I think there are certain things that need to be
    thought about & critically evaluated, & answering a child honestly is
    not the thing that we need to change...

    If I were a freudian I'd be having a field day with the responses in
    this thread :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,772 ✭✭✭✭Whispered


    If a random woman started a conversation about sex with your 12 year old
    sister I'd think you'd be best off calling the police.
    If your 12 year old sister started a conversation asking questions to this
    random woman & she answered honestly I'd be disturbed as to why my
    12 year old sister chose to go to strangers to ask such questions...
    absolutely agree with this.
    The op clearly states that a kid comes up to him asking questions
    yet all we read are insinuations of disturbing grooming & questions about
    moral & social character. I think there are certain things that need to be
    thought about & critically evaluated, & answering a child honestly is
    not the thing that we need to change...
    To be fair I pretty clearly stated that I'm sure the OP did no harm and I'm not reading into anything. My issue, if I was that boys mother, I would have thought most people would have enough respect for others boundaries to avoid a situation that most parents would have a problem with.

    You have to admit that most parents would not be happy with a stranger speaking to a child about sex (I assume?) - and even if the child did ask, the OP is an adult, the child is a child. Of course it would be better if the boy could ask someone in his own home/family, but it's not up to the OP to rectify that.

    I'm not questioning the op's motives at all. He obviously meant well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭sponsoredwalk


    Yeah I agree most parents wouldn't be happy but the blame doesnt fall on
    the OP for telling a 12 year old the truth, the parents - if they're going to
    begin lashing out blame - have only themselves to relish it out to.
    Since we're all so hip & modern with regard to social skills you'd think we'd
    be 'in the know' enough to realise that a child who doesn't know these things
    by the age of 12 is leading a deficient childhood, most likely due to a
    lack of friends or general curiousity :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭Odysseus




    If I were a freudian I'd be having a field day with the responses in
    this thread :pac:

    I am, but I think it would be unfair to post them, even though some thought they where able to analyse me and my motivations.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,698 ✭✭✭✭Princess Peach


    I would doubt they know what foreplay is.:pac:

    Theres a lot of adult men out there who don't know what foreplay is :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭sponsoredwalk


    Odysseus wrote: »
    I am, but I think it would be unfair to post them, even though some thought they where able to analyse me and my motivations.

    There's a technical name for that, arm-something, or chair-thingey? :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,219 ✭✭✭Lab_Mouse


    Theres a lot of adult men out there who don't know what foreplay is :pac:
    Thats just bad luck on your part:D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,375 ✭✭✭metrovelvet


    Odysseus wrote: »
    I'm a clinician well used to dealing with sex violence, I also know about being vulnerable, as for lacking social skills:rolleyes: You do not answer my question of why and how?

    Yes but you weren't a clinician in that context. You were a neighbor. It was a public space, not a doctors office with protocols in place or parental consent requested.

    While you may have had good intentions I think it was both inappropriate and unprofessional.


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