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I AM a Catholic! I AM! I AM! I AM!

  • 25-11-2010 10:47AM
    #1
    senordingdong
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭senordingdong


    "Well you're pretty bad one."

    I have this arguement with my oh atleast once a week.

    She firmly believes she is a catholic but fails to abide by the most basic of the religions requests, such as going to mass, confession, praying etc...and doesn't see anything wrong with this.
    And that's not even getting into the bigger 'sins' like sex out of wed lock.

    When the arguement begins to subside, it usually settles with her point that she was born a RC, (though her parents also neglect the duties of their faith) and therefore is a RC.

    So that get me wondering, how many of the supposed RCs in our RC dominant society, are actually practicing their religion?


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  • #2
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Just the old people.
    The young people drinks and has sex like it's going out of fashion.

    I don't mind of course (being atheist and all).


  • #3
    Coriolanus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,879 ✭✭✭Coriolanus


    (No. of weekly mass goers)/(Total Population of Ireland) = Sweet fsck all.


  • #4
    Ptard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29 ✭Ptard


    Most people have thier own "personal religion" when it comes to choices. It's like getting one of those software contracts, they skip the text, just agree and click next.

    That said, you probably shouldn't tell her what she's is/isn't, and if she actually cares about it that much she'll find out herself.


  • #5
    ColmDawson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭ColmDawson


    There is no other type of institution that makes grown adults insist they are members while not fulfilling any of the obligations necessary for proper membership. It's so strange that "but my parents are X" becomes a defense, because most of us spend our youth trying to go against our parents' ways, to some degree. That the human brain can adopt something so irrational as normal is something that really disappoints me.


  • #6
    iMax
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,489 ✭✭✭iMax


    senordingdong wrote: »

    she was born a RC

    No she wasn't.

    For what it's worth, I have this disagreement myself (although not on a weekly basis, usually just when I've got all uppity because I'm annoyed about something religious.

    I think she's moving more to my thinking though.


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  • #7
    senordingdong
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭senordingdong


    iMax wrote: »
    No she wasn't.

    You know what I mean...born into a RC family and christened.


  • #8
    liamw
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,780 ✭✭✭liamw


    I think a lot of people feel it as part of their identity. To a lot of people it's akin to saying 'you're not Irish'. Absolute rubbish of course but I think this is why people have a hard time letting go.


  • #9
    Dades
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,655 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    There's also The Fear (aka Pascal's Wager).

    - "Ah sure I'm not sure I really believe any of it..."

    - "So call yourself an atheist."

    - "No freakin way I'm not taking the risk that some wrathful beardy guy will smote me..."


  • #10
    hiorta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 457 ✭✭hiorta


    She was born a human being.

    Some guys in long dresses got into her head before she was old enough to think - hence her delusion.


  • #11
    Ghost Buster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    This thread will kick off into a whole new stratosphere when Midlandmissus and Audrey Hepburn discover it.
    Sneaky peek


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  • #12
    Dades
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,655 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Ghost Buster wrote: »
    This thread will kick off into a whole new stratosphere when Midlandmissus and Audrey Hepburn discover it.
    But this thread is about catholics... :pac:


  • #13
    liamw
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,780 ✭✭✭liamw


    Dades wrote: »
    There's also The Fear (aka Pascal's Wager).

    - "Ah sure I'm not sure I really believe any of it..."

    - "So call yourself an atheist."

    - "No freakin way I'm not taking the risk that some wrathful beardy guy will smote me..."

    Allow me

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZpJ7yUPwdU


  • #14
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    senordingdong wrote: »
    So that get me wondering, how many of the supposed RCs in our RC dominant society, are actually practicing their religion?
    Read the bible with her in bed. Leviticus is the best prophylactic against religion I know.


  • #15
    senordingdong
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭senordingdong


    I would but I'm not trying to convert her or anything.

    I'm just trying to point out how her actions (or lack thereof) completely contradict her words.


  • #16
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 758 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    senordingdong wrote: »
    I'm just trying to point out how her actions (or lack thereof) completely contradict her words.

    Welcome to my world. My mother used to be very heavily involved in the Catholic Church, but she won't admit that she's pretty much a liberal Anglican.


  • #17
    Haylee Mealy Veil
    Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Haylee Mealy Veil


    Dades wrote: »
    There's also The Fear (aka Pascal's Wager).

    - "Ah sure I'm not sure I really believe any of it..."

    - "So call yourself an atheist."

    - "No freakin way I'm not taking the risk that some wrathful beardy guy will smote me..."

    Yup
    "I'm not a christian"
    ":eek: god will strike you down!!" one one occasion, and something fairly similar to the wager on another "you should say you are or else blah blah"
    Dont remember the exact wording though


  • #18
    28064212
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,137 ✭✭✭✭28064212


    "I AM a Liverpool fan! I AM! I AM! I AM!"

    "Do you go to any of their games?" "No"
    "Do you buy their jerseys?" "No"
    "Do you watch all their games on TV?" "No"
    "Do you know where they are in the table?" "No"
    "Can you name any of their players?" "No"
    "Why are you a Liverpool fan?" "My dad is"

    Pretty much the same. Not a fan in any real or remotely relevant sense, but still a very important distinction in their head

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  • #19
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    senordingdong wrote: »
    I'm just trying to point out how her actions (or lack thereof) completely contradict her words.
    Wouldn't bother. Religious people seem to have an innate ability to deal with levels of cognitive dissonance that would kill the rest of us.


  • #20
    Galvasean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    senordingdong wrote: »
    "Well you're pretty bad one."

    I have this arguement with my oh atleast once a week.

    She firmly believes she is a catholic but fails to abide by the most basic of the religions requests, such as going to mass, confession, praying etc...and doesn't see anything wrong with this.
    And that's not even getting into the bigger 'sins' like sex out of wed lock.

    Way to covertly brag DUDE!!!!!! :pac:

    But in all seriousness;
    These 'Catholics' are the reason why the RCC hand our asses to us when the census comes round and get a disproportionate say in the running of the country, particularly in terms of education.


  • #21
    senordingdong
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭senordingdong


    Galvasean wrote: »
    Way to covertly brag DUDE!!!!!! :pac:

    But in all seriousness;
    These 'Catholics' are the reason why the RCC hand our asses to us when the census comes round and get a disproportionate say in the running of the country, particularly in terms of education.

    Yep, bragging about not being married, that's me! ;)
    robdinch wrote:
    Wouldn't bother. Religious people seem to have an innate ability to deal with levels of cognitive dissonance that would kill the rest of us.
    This is the funniest part though....the above does relate to her.
    But she's not religious!


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  • #22
    Pace2008
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,587 ✭✭✭Pace2008


    This is why I have an issue, to some degree or other, with all people who consider themselves Catholic.

    If you adhere to Catholic doctrine it means you have a problem with things like premarital sex, contraception and acts of homosexuality. I have a problem with this, even if I accept your right to hold these beliefs.

    If you don't hold these beliefs (and many so-called Catholics are actually vehemently against them), I have to ask why you're showing solidarity with an organisation that espouses them.


  • #23
    Galvasean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    It's a bit like people who complain about Fianna Fail but vote for them consistently "Oh well we always vote for FF in this house."
    WHY?!!!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!


  • #24
    who the fug
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭who the fug


    Now lets not forget the wedding Dress plays a big role in this.


  • #25
    liamw
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,780 ✭✭✭liamw


    Galvasean wrote: »
    It's a bit like people who complain about Fianna Fail but vote for them consistently "Oh well we always vote for FF in this house."
    WHY?!!!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!

    Because Johnny the politician down the road is a friend of the family, that's why! Now I'm off canvassing for FF, not because I support FF policies, but because Johnny is a nice man and a friend of the family.


  • #26
    MarkGrisham
    Closed Accounts Posts: 65 ✭✭MarkGrisham


    Most Irish people don't want to stand out because the neighbours might start talking. So keep the party and religion they were handed and bob's your uncle.


  • #27
    Joey the lips
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,262 ✭✭✭✭Joey the lips


    I must say i do have a love for these threads. I am catholic btw and i practice... Not preach.

    However i am amazed at the amount of religion bashing that goes on here.

    Just amazed.

    However i have always been amazed at the amount of atheism basing that goes on by catholics and various religions.

    I wonder if one would truly exist without the other... put another way. It suits religious and non religious to have something to talk about...

    My feelings on practice....What ever suits.


  • #28
    Dades
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,655 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Joey the lips wrote: »
    I must say i do have a love for these threads. I am catholic btw and i practice... Not preach.

    However i am amazed at the amount of religion bashing that goes on here...
    If you'd actually read the thread you'd note that it has nothing to do with catholic bashing and all to do with people who clearly aren't, claiming to be a member of your religion.

    But since you're here, answer me this. Do you consider someone who lives in sin, is pro-choice, has sex before marriage, uses contraception and doesn't go mass a catholic? Because these are the type of people we are bothered by in this particular thread.

    Why? Because it is these "catholics" that tick the box on the census that decides social policies like education.


  • #29
    Pace2008
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,587 ✭✭✭Pace2008


    Joey the lips wrote: »
    I must say i do have a love for these threads. I am catholic btw and i practice... Not preach.

    However i am amazed at the amount of religion bashing that goes on here.

    Just amazed.

    However i have always been amazed at the amount of atheism basing that goes on by catholics and various religions.

    I wonder if one would truly exist without the other... put another way. It suits religious and non religious to have something to talk about...

    My feelings on practice....What ever suits.
    I rarely post here as I too am utterly disillusioned by the irreverence shown towards religion on the Atheism and Agnosticism forum.


  • #30
    Shenshen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,453 ✭✭✭Shenshen


    senordingdong wrote: »
    "Well you're pretty bad one."

    I have this arguement with my oh atleast once a week.

    She firmly believes she is a catholic but fails to abide by the most basic of the religions requests, such as going to mass, confession, praying etc...and doesn't see anything wrong with this.
    And that's not even getting into the bigger 'sins' like sex out of wed lock.

    When the arguement begins to subside, it usually settles with her point that she was born a RC, (though her parents also neglect the duties of their faith) and therefore is a RC.

    So that get me wondering, how many of the supposed RCs in our RC dominant society, are actually practicing their religion?

    The thing that REALLY baffles me is why on earth they would be so keen on being Catholic... I mean, if they're not going to mass, not listening to the church's teachings, not fussed about confession, not really into anything at all that is in any way linked with the Catholic church... why do they still feel this vital emotional need to be allowed to call themselves Catholics? :confused:

    I think the Liverpool fan example is a really good one. If you couldn't care less about what that club says or does, why call yourself a fan? And why get upset when people tell you that to be a fan, you need to actually, you know, be a fan?


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  • #31
    MarkGrisham
    Closed Accounts Posts: 65 ✭✭MarkGrisham


    Pace2008 wrote: »
    I rarely post here as I too am utterly disillusioned by the irreverence shown towards religion on the Atheism and Agnosticism forum.

    Well if other people literally don't hold your views sacred, the best you can hope for here is a critical discussion. Some religion bashing is going to happen since people get pissed off with it.


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