I AM a Catholic! I AM! I AM! I AM!

senordingdong

"Well you're pretty bad one."

I have this arguement with my oh atleast once a week.

She firmly believes she is a catholic but fails to abide by the most basic of the religions requests, such as going to mass, confession, praying etc...and doesn't see anything wrong with this.
And that's not even getting into the bigger 'sins' like sex out of wed lock.

When the arguement begins to subside, it usually settles with her point that she was born a RC, (though her parents also neglect the duties of their faith) and therefore is a RC.

So that get me wondering, how many of the supposed RCs in our RC dominant society, are actually practicing their religion?

biko

Just the old people.
The young people drinks and has sex like it's going out of fashion.

I don't mind of course (being atheist and all).

Coriolanus

(No. of weekly mass goers)/(Total Population of Ireland) = Sweet fsck all.

Ptard

Most people have thier own "personal religion" when it comes to choices. It's like getting one of those software contracts, they skip the text, just agree and click next.

That said, you probably shouldn't tell her what she's is/isn't, and if she actually cares about it that much she'll find out herself.

ColmDawson

There is no other type of institution that makes grown adults insist they are members while not fulfilling any of the obligations necessary for proper membership. It's so strange that "but my parents are X" becomes a defense, because most of us spend our youth trying to go against our parents' ways, to some degree. That the human brain can adopt something so irrational as normal is something that really disappoints me.

iMax

senordingdong wrote: »

she was born a RC

No she wasn't.

For what it's worth, I have this disagreement myself (although not on a weekly basis, usually just when I've got all uppity because I'm annoyed about something religious.

I think she's moving more to my thinking though.

senordingdong

iMax wrote: »

No she wasn't.

You know what I mean...born into a RC family and christened.

liamw

I think a lot of people feel it as part of their identity. To a lot of people it's akin to saying 'you're not Irish'. Absolute rubbish of course but I think this is why people have a hard time letting go.

Dades

There's also The Fear (aka Pascal's Wager).

- "Ah sure I'm not sure I really believe any of it..."

- "So call yourself an atheist."

- "No freakin way I'm not taking the risk that some wrathful beardy guy will smote me..."

hiorta

She was born a human being.

Some guys in long dresses got into her head before she was old enough to think - hence her delusion.

Ghost Buster

This thread will kick off into a whole new stratosphere when Midlandmissus and Audrey Hepburn discover it.
Sneaky peek

Dades

Ghost Buster wrote: »

This thread will kick off into a whole new stratosphere when Midlandmissus and Audrey Hepburn discover it.

But this thread is about catholics... :pac:

liamw

Dades wrote: »

There's also The Fear (aka Pascal's Wager).

- "Ah sure I'm not sure I really believe any of it..."

- "So call yourself an atheist."

- "No freakin way I'm not taking the risk that some wrathful beardy guy will smote me..."

Allow me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZpJ7yUPwdU

robindch

senordingdong wrote: »

So that get me wondering, how many of the supposed RCs in our RC dominant society, are actually practicing their religion?

Read the bible with her in bed. Leviticus is the best prophylactic against religion I know.

senordingdong

I would but I'm not trying to convert her or anything.

I'm just trying to point out how her actions (or lack thereof) completely contradict her words.

senordingdong

senordingdong wrote: »

I'm just trying to point out how her actions (or lack thereof) completely contradict her words.

Welcome to my world. My mother used to be very heavily involved in the Catholic Church, but she won't admit that she's pretty much a liberal Anglican.

Dades

Dades wrote: »

There's also The Fear (aka Pascal's Wager).

- "Ah sure I'm not sure I really believe any of it..."

- "So call yourself an atheist."

- "No freakin way I'm not taking the risk that some wrathful beardy guy will smote me..."

Yup
"I'm not a christian"
":eek: god will strike you down!!" one one occasion, and something fairly similar to the wager on another "you should say you are or else blah blah"
Dont remember the exact wording though

28064212

"I AM a Liverpool fan! I AM! I AM! I AM!"

"Do you go to any of their games?" "No"
"Do you buy their jerseys?" "No"
"Do you watch all their games on TV?" "No"
"Do you know where they are in the table?" "No"
"Can you name any of their players?" "No"
"Why are you a Liverpool fan?" "My dad is"

Pretty much the same. Not a fan in any real or remotely relevant sense, but still a very important distinction in their head

robindch

senordingdong wrote: »

I'm just trying to point out how her actions (or lack thereof) completely contradict her words.

Wouldn't bother. Religious people seem to have an innate ability to deal with levels of cognitive dissonance that would kill the rest of us.

Galvasean

senordingdong wrote: »

"Well you're pretty bad one."

I have this arguement with my oh atleast once a week.

She firmly believes she is a catholic but fails to abide by the most basic of the religions requests, such as going to mass, confession, praying etc...and doesn't see anything wrong with this.
And that's not even getting into the bigger 'sins' like sex out of wed lock.

Way to covertly brag DUDE!!!!!! :pac:

But in all seriousness;
These 'Catholics' are the reason why the RCC hand our asses to us when the census comes round and get a disproportionate say in the running of the country, particularly in terms of education.

senordingdong

Galvasean wrote: »

Way to covertly brag DUDE!!!!!! :pac:

But in all seriousness;
These 'Catholics' are the reason why the RCC hand our asses to us when the census comes round and get a disproportionate say in the running of the country, particularly in terms of education.

Yep, bragging about not being married, that's me!

robdinch wrote:

Wouldn't bother. Religious people seem to have an innate ability to deal with levels of cognitive dissonance that would kill the rest of us.

This is the funniest part though....the above does relate to her.
But she's not religious!

Pace2008

This is why I have an issue, to some degree or other, with all people who consider themselves Catholic.

If you adhere to Catholic doctrine it means you have a problem with things like premarital sex, contraception and acts of homosexuality. I have a problem with this, even if I accept your right to hold these beliefs.

If you don't hold these beliefs (and many so-called Catholics are actually vehemently against them), I have to ask why you're showing solidarity with an organisation that espouses them.

Galvasean

It's a bit like people who complain about Fianna Fail but vote for them consistently "Oh well we always vote for FF in this house."
WHY?!!!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!

who the fug

Now lets not forget the wedding Dress plays a big role in this.

liamw

Galvasean wrote: »

It's a bit like people who complain about Fianna Fail but vote for them consistently "Oh well we always vote for FF in this house."
WHY?!!!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Because Johnny the politician down the road is a friend of the family, that's why! Now I'm off canvassing for FF, not because I support FF policies, but because Johnny is a nice man and a friend of the family.

MarkGrisham

Most Irish people don't want to stand out because the neighbours might start talking. So keep the party and religion they were handed and bob's your uncle.

Joey the lips

I must say i do have a love for these threads. I am catholic btw and i practice... Not preach.

However i am amazed at the amount of religion bashing that goes on here.

Just amazed.

However i have always been amazed at the amount of atheism basing that goes on by catholics and various religions.

I wonder if one would truly exist without the other... put another way. It suits religious and non religious to have something to talk about...

My feelings on practice....What ever suits.

Dades

Joey the lips wrote: »

I must say i do have a love for these threads. I am catholic btw and i practice... Not preach.

However i am amazed at the amount of religion bashing that goes on here...

If you'd actually read the thread you'd note that it has nothing to do with catholic bashing and all to do with people who clearly aren't, claiming to be a member of your religion.

But since you're here, answer me this. Do you consider someone who lives in sin, is pro-choice, has sex before marriage, uses contraception and doesn't go mass a catholic? Because these are the type of people we are bothered by in this particular thread.

Why? Because it is these "catholics" that tick the box on the census that decides social policies like education.

Pace2008

Joey the lips wrote: »

I must say i do have a love for these threads. I am catholic btw and i practice... Not preach.

However i am amazed at the amount of religion bashing that goes on here.

Just amazed.

However i have always been amazed at the amount of atheism basing that goes on by catholics and various religions.

I wonder if one would truly exist without the other... put another way. It suits religious and non religious to have something to talk about...

My feelings on practice....What ever suits.

I rarely post here as I too am utterly disillusioned by the irreverence shown towards religion on the Atheism and Agnosticism forum.

Shenshen

senordingdong wrote: »

"Well you're pretty bad one."

I have this arguement with my oh atleast once a week.

She firmly believes she is a catholic but fails to abide by the most basic of the religions requests, such as going to mass, confession, praying etc...and doesn't see anything wrong with this.
And that's not even getting into the bigger 'sins' like sex out of wed lock.

When the arguement begins to subside, it usually settles with her point that she was born a RC, (though her parents also neglect the duties of their faith) and therefore is a RC.

So that get me wondering, how many of the supposed RCs in our RC dominant society, are actually practicing their religion?

The thing that REALLY baffles me is why on earth they would be so keen on being Catholic... I mean, if they're not going to mass, not listening to the church's teachings, not fussed about confession, not really into anything at all that is in any way linked with the Catholic church... why do they still feel this vital emotional need to be allowed to call themselves Catholics?

I think the Liverpool fan example is a really good one. If you couldn't care less about what that club says or does, why call yourself a fan? And why get upset when people tell you that to be a fan, you need to actually, you know, be a fan?

MarkGrisham

Pace2008 wrote: »

I rarely post here as I too am utterly disillusioned by the irreverence shown towards religion on the Atheism and Agnosticism forum.

Well if other people literally don't hold your views sacred, the best you can hope for here is a critical discussion. Some religion bashing is going to happen since people get pissed off with it.

Pace2008

MarkGrisham wrote: »

Well if other people literally don't hold your views sacred, the best you can hope for here is a critical discussion. Some religion bashing is going to happen since people get pissed off with it.

I thought the sarcasm was obvious

MarkGrisham

*checks*

Well don't I feel clever now? Whoops!

aidan24326

senordingdong wrote: »

So that get me wondering, how many of the supposed RCs in our RC dominant society, are actually practicing their religion?

In truth, only a minority. There are so many wishy washy catholics in this country now, many of whom, never mind practising their catholicism, would struggle to tell you what exactly it is they should even be practising in the first pace.

ColmDawson wrote: »

There is no other type of institution that makes grown adults insist they are members while not fulfilling any of the obligations necessary for proper membership

In fairness to the pope, and I don't often say that, he has spoken out against such a-la-carte catholicism and appears a bit irked by it.

Pace2008 wrote: »

I rarely post here as I too am utterly disillusioned by the irreverence shown towards religion on the Atheism and Agnosticism forum.

Er, what did you expect on an atheist/agnostic forum?? Group prayer sessions?

Edit: apologies if you were just messing

catbear

I wonder how many would lapse if like in Germany stating your religion means paying a church tax out of their weekly wage. It's fine to say if they think it doesn't cost them anything.

I know a woman was getting married to a german bloke, he wasn't fussed about a church wedding but she insisted. She got a shock when her local said she must declare herself officially Roman Catholic to be married there.

She went ahead with it but never quit bitching and moaning to anyone who'd listen about having to pay for a church she doesn't attend.

Ghost Buster

Pace2008 wrote: »

I rarely post here as I too am utterly disillusioned by the irreverence shown towards religion on the Atheism and Agnosticism forum.

More or less bothered than with the irreverence shown to the core beliefs of catholicism by "Catholics" ?


Bugger!!!! Ive done it as well. Can we add canned laughter to these sort of posts as i obviously dont get subtlety!

Des Carter

correct me if I wrong but is it not possible to be part of lets say a political party yet disagree with some of their policies?

Is this not the case for religions also?

aidan24326

catbear wrote: »

She went ahead with it but never quit bitching and moaning to anyone who'd listen about having to pay for a church she doesn't attend.

She may not attend that church, but she was happy to avail of their facilities and services, and she herself insisted on the big church wedding, so I'd have absolutely no sympathy for her at all.

liamw

catbear wrote: »

I wonder how many would lapse if like in Germany stating your religion means paying a church tax out of their weekly wage. It's fine to say if they think it doesn't cost them anything.

I know a woman was getting married to a german bloke, he wasn't fussed about a church wedding but she insisted. She got a shock when her local said she must declare herself officially Roman Catholic to be married there.

She went ahead with it but never quit bitching and moaning to anyone who'd listen about having to pay for a church she doesn't attend.

That would be VERY interesting to see. Oh please let something good come out of this recession...

28064212

Des Carter wrote: »

correct me if I wrong but is it not possible to be part of lets say a political party yet disagree with some of their policies?

Not if you're disagreeing with the central tenets of their organisation. Is a member of Sinn Féin a republican if they are pro-Union? Is an aggressively capitalist member of the SWP a socialist?

Shenshen

Des Carter wrote: »

correct me if I wrong but is it not possible to be part of lets say a political party yet disagree with some of their policies?

Is this not the case for religions also?

Oh definitely.
But there is a line after which membership, or even just support, becomes rather ridiculous.
You wouldn't be a member of the Green Party and promote a policy of building more motorways in Ireland, or you will at least have to live with people thinking you a bit of a loony and weirdo if you do.

aidan24326

Des Carter wrote: »

Is this not the case for religions also?

Not really, no. You can't just choose the 8 commandments you like and ditch the other 2. Politics is not the same thing, as a party's policy manifesto is a malleable guidline to how they will conduct their business over the forthcoming Dail term, not a list of dogmatic beliefs that one must steadfastly adhere to.

Shenshen

aidan24326 wrote: »

Not really, no. You can't just choose the 8 commandments you like and ditch the other 2. Politics is not the same thing, as a party's policy manifesto is a malleable guidline to how they will conduct their business over the forthcoming Dail term, not a list of dogmatic beliefs that one must steadfastly adhere to.

There is that, too, yes.
A party manifesto gets re-written quite regularly, as the current situation requires. The bible, not so much.

Pace2008

Ghost Buster wrote: »

More or less bothered than with the irreverence shown to the core beliefs of catholicism by "Catholics" ?

Pace2008 wrote: »

I thought the sarcasm was obvious [IMG]file:///C:/Users/dubacpxe/AppData/Local/Temp/msohtmlclip1/01/clip_image001.gif[/IMG]

The intent of my comment would have been a lot clearer had I succeeded it with a rolleyes smiley , but I’ve yet to use one in my history on Boards and I really want people to know I think their post is silly when I finally break it out.

Yet another testament to the power of emoticons as a valid form of punctuation.

robindch

Pace2008 wrote: »

I rarely post here as I too am utterly disillusioned by the irreverence shown towards religion on the Atheism and Agnosticism forum.

Folks:

Remember Poe's Law!

Pace2008

Des Carter wrote: »

correct me if I wrong but is it not possible to be part of lets say a political party yet disagree with some of their policies?

Is this not the case for religions also?

I’d leave it fairly sharpish if I found another party with a manifesto more aligned with my views.

And if I were a Christian, I’d abandon Catholicism for one of the 10,000 forms of Protestantism with core tenets that didn’t jar completely with my modern lifestyle.

mikhail

robindch wrote: »

Wouldn't bother. Religious people seem to have an innate ability to deal with levels of cognitive dissonance that would kill the rest of us.

You underestimate yourself.

Dades

Des Carter wrote: »

correct me if I wrong but is it not possible to be part of lets say a political party yet disagree with some of their policies?

Is this not the case for religions also?

Disagreeing with Enda Kenny is not really on the same scale as disagreeing with the Creator of all Matter and Time.

Des Carter

Dades wrote: »

Disagreeing with Enda Kenny is not really on the same scale as disagreeing with the Creator of all Matter and Time.

Wait what the pope is the creator of all matter and time? No wonder your an atheist!

Des Carter

aidan24326 wrote: »

You can't just choose the 8 commandments you like and ditch the other 2.

Why not?

I think there is a get-out caluse somewhere that says something along the lines of "your allowed break certain rules if you believe them to be wrong"

Again not sure but someone here might know.

28064212

Des Carter wrote: »

Why not?

I think there is a get-out caluse somewhere that says something along the lines of "your allowed break certain rules if you believe them to be wrong"

Again not sure but someone here might know.

The whole thread is about people who break them and don't believe them to be wrong