An Garda Siochana - Do you respect them?

Bosco boy · 21-11-2010 07:04PM

johnn wrote: »

Yeah right standing at the top of O'Connell street suffering the occasional heckling from a junkie, really life threatening. Did a Garda start this thread looking for a pat on the back?

Is that what every garda does, at least i now know where to go for my next tour of duty, shows what a narrow mind you must have!

johnn · 21-11-2010 07:08PM

Bosco boy wrote: »

Is that what every garda does, at least i now know where to go for my next tour of duty, shows what a narrow mind you must have!

My mind is as wide as the grand canyon, i don't go around giving credit where it ain't due.

Dan_Solo · 21-11-2010 07:09PM

k_mac wrote: »

Is your entire knowledge of the gardai supplied by tabloids. I notice you have a tendency to ignore facts or questions which don't fit your viewpoint. Do you work for the media by any chance.

Let's face it, if you had any evidence of this you'd be able to quote it.
Coppers making up allegations with no evidence? Sound familiar anybody?

johnn · 21-11-2010 07:14PM

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Coppers? Sound familiar anybody?

Yeah its a nightclub on Harcourt st. I think mate

MagicSean · 21-11-2010 08:22PM

johnn wrote: »

Yeah right standing at the top of O'Connell street suffering the occasional heckling from a junkie, really life threatening. Did a Garda start this thread looking for a pat on the back?

Have you ever taken on a junkie?

Dan_Solo wrote: »

If that made an ounce of sense it might even constitute personal abuse.
I imagine I'm among the higher end of the 99% of the Irish population who are eligible to join the Gardai by virtue of well, passing the Leaving Cert in any way shape or form. If only I had the brains? It would appear I'm at least ten times smarter that the basic requirement for being a cop.

At least you are modest.

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Let's face it, if you had any evidence of this you'd be able to quote it.
Coppers making up allegations with no evidence? Sound familiar anybody?

All you have to do is read back my posts. You asked about gardaí who were injured and I gave you a list which you forgot. I asked if you had ever made a complaint and you ignored it. There's a few more if you can take the time out of your hectic education schedule to read the posts.

angelfire9 · 21-11-2010 08:56PM

My husband had a malicious complaint made against him by a woman who's son he arrested
She accused him of assaulting her the day following the arrest while Gardai were executing a search warrant on their house
The ombudsman was notified and it could have spelt disaster for him but for the small fact that he wasn't even on duty at the time of the alleged incident :cool:

johnnyrotten · 21-11-2010 09:09PM

johnn wrote: »

Yeah right standing at the top of O'Connell street suffering the occasional heckling from a junkie, really life threatening. Did a Garda start this thread looking for a pat on the back?

Ridiculous post of the day !:rolleyes:

Dan_Solo · 21-11-2010 10:33PM

k_mac wrote: »

At least you are modest.

Whatever. Doesn't change the facts.

k_mac wrote: »

All you have to do is read back my posts. You asked about gardaí who were injured and I gave you a list which you forgot. I asked if you had ever made a complaint and you ignored it. There's a few more if you can take the time out of your hectic education schedule to read the posts.

Nah, I've already completed a proper education. You should try it.
Your list of anecdotes wasn't backed by a single source. You may be used to assuming people will believe you because you said so, but you'll have to try a bit harder around here.
As to making a complaint about the Gardai, I already gave you a link a judicial report that stated that the Gardai are almost to a man dodgy. They simply will not co-operate with any complaint made against a fellow cop.
I'm far too smart to bother complaining about dodgy cops to other dodgy cops, thanks.

angelfire9 · 22-11-2010 12:24AM

Dan_Solo wrote: »

I already gave you a link a judicial report that stated that the Gardai are almost to a man dodgy. They simply will not co-operate with any complaint made against a fellow cop.
I'm far too smart to bother complaining about dodgy cops to other dodgy cops, thanks.

I find this post offensive
With the exception of those muppets in Donegal most Gardai I know would co-operate with the investigation of a genuine complaint against another cop

Then again I actually KNOW the Gardai i have spent my entire life around cops

steddyeddy · 22-11-2010 12:35AM

Well guys how about a new line of thinking, did you think that the heavy handed tactics of the garda towards protesters tonight were justified?

johnn · 22-11-2010 12:38AM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Well guys how about a new line of thinking, did you think that the heavy handed tactics of the garda towards protesters tonight were justified?

Yeah all these posters who are obviously Gardai IMO didn't feel the need to start a thread on this topic :rolleyes: also they were battering students last week with batons, real big men.

johnn · 22-11-2010 12:40AM

angelfire9 wrote: »

My husband had a malicious complaint made against him by a woman who's son he arrested
She accused him of assaulting her the day following the arrest while executing a search warrant on their house
The ombudsman was notified and it could have spelt disaster for him but for the small fact that he wasn't even on duty at the time of the alleged incident :cool:

Well what exactly are you saying he did assault her and got away with it? Also what was he doing barging into the woman's house if he wasn't on duty

steddyeddy · 22-11-2010 12:42AM

johnn wrote: »

Well what exactly are you saying he did assault her and got away with it? Also what was he doing barging into the woman's house if he wasn't on duty

I was thinking thay myself how did he initiate a search while being off duty

steddyeddy · 22-11-2010 12:44AM

angelfire9 wrote: »

I find this post offensive
With the exception of those muppets in Donegal most Gardai I know would co-operate with the investigation of a genuine complaint against another cop

Then again I actually KNOW the Gardai i have spent my entire life around cops

All the more reason why you wouldnt encounter their heavy handedness

K-9 · 22-11-2010 12:48AM

Have to say I was surprised at how few people were there? 20/30 at most, was it?

Where do all the keyboard warriors disappear to at times like this?

johnn · 22-11-2010 12:49AM

K-9 wrote: »

Have to say I was surprised at how few people were there? 20/30 at most, was it?

Where do all the keyboard warriors disappear to at times like this?

probably at the gym polishing their gunz.

steddyeddy · 22-11-2010 12:50AM

K-9 wrote: »

Have to say I was surprised at how few people were there? 20/30 at most, was it?

Where do all the keyboard warriors disappear to at times like this?

and yet the gaurda used heavy handed tactics, why? Please dont use the seige defense.

angelfire9 · 22-11-2010 12:50AM

steddyeddy wrote: »

I was thinking thay myself how did he initiate a search while being off duty

It was a MALICIOUS complaint
They happen all the time you know!

Her son was arrested on say Jan 1st
Her house was searched on Jan 2nd
She accused my husband (who had arrested her son on Jan 1st) of assaulting her on Jan 2nd during the execution of the warrant when in fact on Jan 2nd my husband was attending a wedding with me over 200 miles from her house

It was sorted out eventually but if he had been on duty on the 2nd of Jan then all hell would have broken lose!

steddyeddy wrote: »

All the more reason why you wouldnt encounter their heavy handedness

That is BS
I live in Clare am still living in the town I grew up in and I know maybe 60% of the cops in Ennis (though that number is dwindling fast as the older lads retire)
My OH does not work in Ennis but I know 50-60% of the cops in the town where he does work

BUT if I leave Clare and have reason to have contact with the Gardai I am dealing with the same cops every one else is and I have NEVER had a problem with cops in any town in Ireland
Possibly because I am a law abiding citizen? :rolleyes:

Son Of A Vidic · 22-11-2010 12:53AM

Just seen a Garda on T.V. flinging a man to the ground tonight, who was exercising his democratic right to protest outside Government buildings. The man was vocal but peaceful, middle aged and not particularly threatening. If the man had suffered a serious cerebral trauma as a result of the throw, would the Garda responsible be charged with manslaughter? Probably not I suspect, what sort of training do these guys receive? Throwing a man violently onto a concrete pavement can potentially cause serious injury. I thought his behaviour was thuggish and extremely unprofessional, thank god they're not armed.

steddyeddy · 22-11-2010 12:54AM

angelfire9 wrote: »

It was a MALICIOUS complaint
They happen all the time you know!

Her son was arrested on say Jan 1st
Her house was searched on Jan 2nd
She accused my husband (who had arrested her son on Jan 1st) of assaulting her on Jan 2nd during the execution of the warrant when in fact on Jan 2nd my husband was attending a wedding with me over 200 miles from her house

It was sorted out eventually but if he had been on duty on the 2nd of Jan then all hell would have broken lose!

That is BS
I live in Clare am still living in the town I grew up in and I know maybe 60% of the cops in Ennis (though that number is dwindling fast as the older lads retire)
My OH does not work in Ennis but I know 50-60% of the cops in the town where he does work

BUT if I leave Clare and have reason to have contact with the Gardai I am dealing with the same cops every one else is and I have NEVER had a problem with cops in any town in Ireland
Possibly because I am a law abiding citizen? :rolleyes:

like me good self missus something I also have in common with frank mc breaty senior and yet we both still have experience with the gaurds acting like thugs.

johnn · 22-11-2010 12:56AM

angelfire9 wrote: »

She accused my husband (who had arrested her son on Jan 1st)

that wasn't very nice of him, happy fuckin New Year son. It's things like this which lead to the Gardai getting a bad name.

angelfire9 · 22-11-2010 12:58AM

steddyeddy wrote: »

like me good self missus something I also have in common with frank mc breaty senior and yet we both still have experience with the gaurds acting like thugs.

I have stated categorically on more than one occasion that the Gardai in Donegal were a disgrace to their uniform

But tarring all Gardai with the same brush is unfair to those cops who actually do try and do their job properly under crappy enough circumstances

Dan_Solo · 22-11-2010 01:01AM

angelfire9 wrote: »

I find this post offensive
With the exception of those muppets in Donegal most Gardai I know would co-operate with the investigation of a genuine complaint against another cop

Then again I actually KNOW the Gardai i have spent my entire life around cops

For the THIRD time. Dublin cops almost to a man refused to identify "Robocop" Donal Corcoran when he assaulted peaceful Reclaim The Streets protesters in 2002, while not displaying his Garda ID number.
So no, you are factually incorrect when you say it's just Donegal that has dodgy cops.
Feel free to take offense at these verifiable facts is you so wish.

steddyeddy · 22-11-2010 01:02AM

angelfire9 wrote: »

I have stated categorically on more than one occasion that the Gardai in Donegal were a disgrace to their uniform

But tarring all Gardai with the same brush is unfair to those cops who actually do try and do their job properly under crappy enough circumstances

im not Im stating that I had experience with bad and nice ones i was just responding to the issue of a law abiding citizen never having a problem with them. I have seen gaurds selling drugs and taking drugs ( no I didnt report them) and witnessed massive corruption and tonight with the gaurds assaulting a middle aged man aserting his right to protest

Dan_Solo · 22-11-2010 01:05AM

medicman2009 wrote: »

Just seen a Garda on T.V. flinging a man to the ground tonight, who was exercising his democratic right to protest outside Government buildings. The man was vocal but peaceful, middle aged and not particularly threatening. If the man had suffered a serious cerebral trauma as a result of the throw, would the Garda responsible be charged with manslaughter? Probably not I suspect, what sort of training do these guys receive? Throwing a man violently onto a concrete pavement can potentially cause serious injury. I thought his behaviour was thuggish and extremely unprofessional, thank god they're not armed.

Well apparently the riot squad are barely trained, having normally less than 5 years experience, according to a pro-Gardai guy (most seem to be actual Gardai) who posted here earlier.
What do you expect?

nxbyveromdwjpg · 22-11-2010 01:05AM

Elevator wrote: »

I have to laugh at some people I know who "hate" the Garda and I always ask hem what is the first thing they would do if they got knocked down crossig the road??

Call an ambulance?

Cavehill Red · 22-11-2010 01:18AM

No, in general I don't respect them.
Too many reasons, from Donegal, to Abbylara, to their inability to solve any crime I've ever brought to their attention.
I've more time for the PSNI to be honest. And that's saying something.
I've no doubt there are plenty of good eggs in An Garda Siochana, but there seems to be a culture in the system of keeping your head down, pursuing the underclass for easy busts, ignoring the vast corruption and white collar crime going on in this country, and they're way too quick with the nightsticks when it comes to legitimate protest.

K-9 · 22-11-2010 01:18AM

Dan_Solo wrote: »

If that made an ounce of sense it might even constitute personal abuse.
I imagine I'm among the higher end of the 99% of the Irish population who are eligible to join the Gardai by virtue of well, passing the Leaving Cert in any way shape or form. If only I had the brains? It would appear I'm at least ten times smarter that the basic requirement for being a cop.

LOL

The lad doth protest too much!

johnn · 22-11-2010 01:22AM

medicman2009 wrote: »

Just seen a Garda on T.V. flinging a man to the ground tonight, who was exercising his democratic right to protest outside Government buildings. The man was vocal but peaceful, middle aged and not particularly threatening. If the man had suffered a serious cerebral trauma as a result of the throw, would the Garda responsible be charged with manslaughter? Probably not I suspect, what sort of training do these guys receive? Throwing a man violently onto a concrete pavement can potentially cause serious injury. I thought his behaviour was thuggish and extremely unprofessional, thank god they're not armed.

They're being finally shown up for what they are, mindless heavies. They do this sort of thing every day but its only started being caught on TV recently.

cursai · 22-11-2010 01:23AM

cursai wrote: »

There are 3 types of people who don't respect Gardai
1. People who can't obey the law and therefore dislike the ones that make them obey it.

2. The people who have had bad experience with the small minority of bad immature Garda.

3. power hungry people who never got to be (at best) like the people in option2

Note: ive often met a bad mechanic or nurse but noone gives them the severe critical analysis the Gardai get off the public. Some people think they are right always, all of the time.....until they get told they aren't by the people whos job it is to tell them.

AND AGAIN!

An Garda Siochana - Do you respect them?

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