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A Strong Leader/ Dictator

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,650 ✭✭✭sensibleken


    k_mac wrote: »
    24 hour drinking for all. But prison sentences for people who piss or vomit on my streets.

    Hooray!

    psst i think oisin_T is eyeing up your job. want me to 'long knives' his ass?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    k_mac wrote: »
    24 hour drinking for all. But prison sentences for people who piss or vomit on my streets.
    Or don't pick up their dog shít.



    I saw some guy let his dog **** right outside the Bar Council office on Church Street. lol. Just left it there and everyone was like :wtf:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    Hooray!

    psst i think oisin_T is eyeing up your job. want me to 'long knives' his ass?
    I'll just be 2nd in charge then :P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    OisinT wrote: »
    I'll just be 2nd in charge then :P

    Excellent. You shall be in charge of the legalisation and taxation of prostitution and marijuana.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,736 ✭✭✭ch750536


    Amhran Nua wrote: »
    So eh, if you have the local councils looking after local issues, and you have TDs looking after local issues, who exactly is looking after the national issues? Why with a situation like that you might end up with shockingly weak and unqualified leadership in a country that stumbles into disaster after disaster, if you can imagine such a thing.

    Don't know where you work but I find managers at strategic levels are good. 2 levels for the country may be where it is all going wrong tbh but you misread my issue.

    Point is that TD's are their to represent & debate, not to ignore completely. Somewhere there is a happy balance.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,650 ✭✭✭sensibleken


    Abortions for all!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    We can drink screw and smoke ourselves out of the recession.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    Abortions for all!
    I love abortions. I get two or three a month.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,650 ✭✭✭sensibleken


    k_mac wrote: »
    Excellent. You shall be in charge of the legalisation and taxation of prostitution and marijuana.

    we could tackle teen pregnancy by the promotion of propper hand job technique.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,650 ✭✭✭sensibleken


    by the way. has anyone seen the tags on this thread. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    This just in: Eating babies gives you AIDS.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,124 ✭✭✭Amhran Nua


    ch750536 wrote: »
    Point is that TD's are their to represent & debate, not to ignore completely. Somewhere there is a happy balance.
    There is, but the system for the allocation of funds to each area of the country needs to take into account the development of the nation as a whole. Its a massively complicated question once you start to divvy up the roles of local and national government, with as many models as there are countries, but as far as Ireland is concerned, we effectively have nobody at the wheel. Another side effect is you have perjurers and dodgy characters not just getting re-elected but setting up their own dynasties within the state (howya Healy Rae).

    People should vote for party policies at the national level, not TDs who fixed their pot holes. That way we might see some decent party policies for a change, and some real leadership.

    I've never been presented with a ballot sheet that asked me if I wanted to vote FF, FG, or any other party. I've been presented with plenty that offered me a choice between various politicians who have been working as hard as possible to appease their local constituency for the last decade.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,650 ✭✭✭sensibleken


    Amhran Nua wrote: »
    I've been presented with plenty that offered me a choice between various politicians who have been working as hard as possible to appease their local constituency for the last decade.

    Appeasing them with our wangs. thatll be the new order


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭parker kent


    De Dannan wrote: »
    The dictatorship of Cincinnatus in ancient Rome would be considered a successful one. He took power for a short time, defeated Rome's enemies, then famously returned to his plow, as the Roman dictatorship was supposed to work. He was a great hero of the Roman republic, and a model for George Washington when he was the first President of the United States.

    Rome had a position which gave temporary power (normally 6 months) to an individual. So it is not exactly what we would recognise as a dictator. It is somebody brought in during a time of crisis and given extraordinary legal powers. The last dictator was Julius Caesar but he just didn't bother handing back the power....


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,077 ✭✭✭Rebelheart


    Cowen, Kenny, Gilmore
    We need a leader who will make the hard decisions that need to be made. None of these party leaders are capable of that imo, they are all too tied up in the public sector/unions and other self-serving organisations of the state. I dont want to see a potential leader of this nation talking to the people through the Late Late show to some over paid entertainer, a leader would be out talking to the people. Not arguing like children in the house of lies that is the Dail
    Our model of British parlimentary democracy is not working, maybe we need someone to reorganise our state, so the party politics are wiped from the landscape

    Have you been reading The Prince by Machiavelli?

    More Irish people could do with reading it. There is a lot of merit in a state having a strong leader to guide it through turbulent times, no matter what any poster here might say to the contrary.

    "Democracy" doesn't necessarily entail the likes of Jackie Healy-Rea holding the government of the day hostage to his latest project in the arsehole of nowhere. That is the democratic system which Ireland has adopted for itself (or rather the PR-STV voting system which the British insisted we have under the GofI Act 1920). There are many ways to have a democratic system without gobdaws like the above holding the 83% of the country which is free to ransom. Bi-cameralism is also not necessary - the existence of Seanad Éireann does more to undermine Irish democracy than most things. It, like so many other features of our "democracy", has much more to do with "jobs for the boys" than democracy.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,556 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    OisinT wrote: »
    This just in: Eating babies gives you AIDS.

    Not if you boil them first


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,456 ✭✭✭✭Mr Benevolent


    You need me, Ireland.

    - All political/civil servant/banking/media/regulatory figures legally proven to have significantly contributed to the downfall of the economy to be stripped of all assets and exiled to Montserrat.

    - All civil services functions to be radically overhauled and have independent overseers.

    - All governments decisions to be completely transparent.

    - Swiss style democracy installed, with citizens able to call referenda to challenge any law at any time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,080 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    by the way. has anyone seen the tags on this thread. :D


    They ain't funny.
    removed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 575 ✭✭✭RockinRolla


    I think we need to incorporate many ideas of government into our system. For example, we need more local politics. Each provence of the country should have its own government building and report directly to the President - giving the President more power, but not absolute. In turn, the President would have a tribunal overlooking his-her policies etc. This way, it wouldnt be so centred around Dublin.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,456 ✭✭✭✭Mr Benevolent


    I think we need to incorporate many ideas of government into our system. For example, we need more local politics. Each provence of the country should have its own government building and report directly to the President - giving the President more power, but not absolute. In turn, the President would have a tribunal overlooking his-her policies etc. This way, it wouldnt be so centred around Dublin.

    That's a federal government.The Swiss have it and it seems to work.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 447 ✭✭omg a kitty


    Yes, Lets take a min to remember all the wonderful past dictators who couldn't be with us for mortal reasons.. >.>
    Adolf Hitler - Only killed 15million people(that had nothing to do with WWII)
    Benito Mussolini - Killed all his political opponents...why didnt anyone else think of that?
    Joseph Stalin - What a man..killed over 50million people and got away with it.

    I'm surprised you're suggesting this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    Stalin: killed 3 times as many people as Hilter and somehow managed to spin it so that Hitler seemed worse.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,081 ✭✭✭sheesh


    so you want to replace the current system where FF got in nearly every election. to a system where no matter how bad the leader is we cannot get rid of them.......

    I fail to see how this is an improvement :mad:

    We definitely need a new system of government one half to create law and manage government departments the other to manage more local concerns.

    we probably need a raft of new legislation on white collar crime

    in fact I think we need a new constitution.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,811 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    OisinT wrote: »
    Stalin: killed 3 times as many people as Hilter and somehow managed to spin it so that Hitler seemed worse.

    To be fair Stalin had a fuller,healthier mustache.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,081 ✭✭✭sheesh


    OisinT wrote: »
    Stalin: killed 3 times as many people as Hilter and somehow managed to spin it so that Hitler seemed worse.

    Didn't you know everybody who won WW2 got a get out of war crimes jail free card.

    :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,925 ✭✭✭th3 s1aught3r


    sheesh wrote: »
    Didn't you know everybody who won WW2 got a get out of war crimes jail free card.

    :pac:

    History they say, is written by the victor


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,311 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Come back Ray McSharry, all is forgiven.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭Killer Pigeon


    It's not too late yet to start a new Irish National Front Party. I'd say it would gather a lot of pace in times like these, the recession isn't over yet comrades.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,736 ✭✭✭ch750536


    Amhran Nua wrote: »
    People should vote for party policies at the national level, not TDs who fixed their pot holes. That way we might see some decent party policies for a change, and some real leadership.

    Yeah, tell that to the people who voted lib dem. Politicians want power, a better tomorrow for them. Policies change very quickly if it means they get more power.
    Amhran Nua wrote: »
    I've never been presented with a ballot sheet that asked me if I wanted to vote FF, FG, or any other party.
    Exactly my point, so why is it that you have voted for one of them? Why is it that your vote becomes pointless as the whip is cracked?
    Amhran Nua wrote: »
    I've been presented with plenty that offered me a choice between various politicians who have been working as hard as possible to appease their local constituency for the last decade.
    Bull. Where do you live, lets take a look at your wonderful options at the last election.

    TD's have far more in common with TD's than average Joe. Who are they gonna look after?


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 93,126 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    The nearest thing we had to a dictator was deValera

    still a controversial figure for some and a lot of his legacy don't look so good anymore
    while he may not have started the civil war, he could probably have prevented it


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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 19,242 Mod ✭✭✭✭L.Jenkins


    Not having read the entire thread, in a way a dictator would be a good idea, if sufficent guidelines were set to retain democracy so we don't become another burma.

    We need someone who'll give all these unions and whinging bankers the beat down, sort shít out and get things back on track. We need a person who's prepared to tell people do or die in the none evil, drag you out of your home in the middle of the night and shoot you kind of way.

    Such guidelines for a dictatorship could include, a general election every 2 to 4 years, targets to be set to get Ireland back into productivity and growth, then when targets have been met, dismanteling of said dictatorship and a return to similar style of government we have today.

    On a side note, such a dictator should have a vested interest in a highly prosperus state and have to come to the realisation that growth and a higly productive state would benefit everyone, and not just themselves.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,081 ✭✭✭sheesh


    Actually we had a strong leader recently, he was popular had his party behind him did great work in the north and was taoiseach for 3 terms. his name was bertie ahern.:D


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 19,242 Mod ✭✭✭✭L.Jenkins


    sheesh wrote: »
    Actually we had a strong leader recently, he was popular had his party behind him did great work in the north and was taoiseach for 3 terms. his name was bertie ahern.:D

    Yeah, but from how people I know describe him, he's the gone done in history as the next Charlie McCrevey.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15 Holden Caulfield


    A modernised Roman Empire structure would not only re-energise and recreate the country but give a true sense of civilisation to the majority of fools living in Ireland at the moment.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,650 ✭✭✭sensibleken


    Not having read the entire thread, in a way a dictator would be a good idea, if sufficent guidelines were set to retain democracy so we don't become another burma.
    .

    a dictatorship with guidelines to retain democracy? is there a dictionary forum?


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 93,126 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Not having read the entire thread, in a way a dictator would be a good idea, if sufficent guidelines were set to retain democracy so we don't become another burma.
    If you look through recorded history you will see most such schemes where ultimate power was handed to an individual had all sorts of checks and bounds. Sulla ( who stepped down in 81 BC ) is the only case I know of where any of them handed the power back without being forced to.

    History is important, those gobshítés running our country didn't even learn form the events that happened in their lifetime in this country, nevermind all of the well known unsubstainable bubbles and markets in others.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 486 ✭✭De Dannan


    The most worrying thing is that the Irish people have proven themselves to be so apathetic that a dictator would not have much trouble taking over the country in the first place.
    All they would face is a flood of calls to Joe Duffy and a load of angry posts on boards :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,925 ✭✭✭th3 s1aught3r


    As the situation deteriorates the need for a leader grows ever stronger

    Proposals (early ideas)

    1. Outlawing Fianna Fail
    2. Decrease our reliance on multinationals, If we can create Irish companies this is much better in the long term. If your economy relies on multinationals you are in constant fear of the day they will pull out
    3. A return to the land, family values and getting rid of our consumer culture, we are not a people whose only interest in money, are we ?
    4. All professional fees be cut by 50%. How many mercs do these guys need ?
    5. Special elite wing of the army be created to deal with drug lords and no go areas. Civil liberties will be suspended while these troops clean out the scum drug lords, particulary in Limerick and Dublin
    5. New flag , green with a harp.
    6. Ultimatley we will leave the EU. Thanks for everything but we want a seperate nation state, a nation,not just an economy

    knock away


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,197 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    3. A return to the land, family values and getting rid of our consumer culture...?

    5. Civil liberties will be suspended...

    A great collectivisation and a suspension of civil liberties. Who'd have thunk?


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,315 ✭✭✭Jazzy


    well if anakin skywalker said it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    1. Outlawing Fianna Fail

    No thanks.
    2. Decrease our reliance on multinationals, If we can create Irish companies this is much better in the long term. If your economy relies on multinationals you are in constant fear of the day they will pull out

    We don't have a big enough market to justify a lot of heavy industries from being successful here without export. Our geographical position often makes exporting goods expensive, so externally we would be at a disadvantage. We don't have the best of natural resources either, although some industries in Ireland are starting to lead the way internationally. What we need is to set up future multinationals here. The only way to do this is to have the very best of education and talent and to reward it handsomely. Our education system isn't currently set up to encourage this IMO.
    3. A return to the land, family values and getting rid of our consumer culture, we are not a people whose only interest in money, are we?

    I don't own any land. Who's going to give me some? Then again getting rid of a consumer culture is counter productive really to point number 2. Why set up new companies and then dissuade people from buying their products?
    4. All professional fees be cut by 50%. How many mercs do these guys need?

    Thanks you just cost thousands of jobs, and endangered the IFSC.
    5. Special elite wing of the army be created to deal with drug lords and no go areas. Civil liberties will be suspended while these troops clean out the scum drug lords, particulary in Limerick and Dublin?

    We have an elite wing. We also have elite unit of the gardaí.
    5. New flag , green with a harp.

    That's great. In the middle of a serious economic downturn and cost cutting measures let's spend a small fortune changing the flag for no particular reason.
    6. Ultimatley we will leave the EU. Thanks for everything but we want a seperate nation state, a nation,not just an economy

    YAY, and watch us sink back into the 1950's. We'll be killing each other over the field that you have given us all in no time at all.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,925 ✭✭✭th3 s1aught3r


    prinz wrote: »
    No thanks.



    We don't have a big enough market to justify a lot of heavy industries from being successful here without export. Our geographical position often makes exporting goods expensive, so externally we would be at a disadvantage. We don't have the best of natural resources either, although some industries in Ireland are starting to lead the way internationally. What we need is to set up future multinationals here. The only way to do this is to have the very best of education and talent and to reward it handsomely. Our education system isn't currently set up to encourage this IMO.



    I don't own any land. Who's going to give me some? Then again getting rid of a consumer culture is counter productive really to point number 2. Why set up new companies and then dissuade people from buying their products?



    Thanks you just cost thousands of jobs, and endangered the IFSC.



    We have an elite wing. We also have elite unit of the gardaí.



    That's great. In the middle of a serious economic downturn and cost cutting measures let's spend a small fortune changing the flag for no particular reason.



    YAY, and watch us sink back into the 1950's. We'll be killing each other over the field that you have given us all in no time at all.


    Good man. Do you have your own ideas at all ?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,315 ✭✭✭Jazzy


    Good man. Do you have your own ideas at all ?

    yeah he probably does. i bet one of them is not subscribing to knee-jerk idiocy


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    Good man. Do you have your own ideas at all ?

    Oh I have. They'd be almost impossible to carry out and I'd probably be assassinated before long.:D So it's more fun to deal with those of other people.

    Nothing quite as far reaching and worthy as changing the flag though.:rolleyes: That'll save us all.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,210 ✭✭✭dolphin city


    when people hear the word "dictator" they get all hot and bothered under the collar spouting about how bad they are.

    However, they have no problem with a "democratic" country going back to its people after they have given a "democratic" answer through their "democratic right to vote" and be told "listen ye lot, ye are going to do it until ye give us the answer we want", and they still believe that the words "democracy" and "dictatorship" mean something.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 486 ✭✭De Dannan


    You wont find much support in here OP. Most posters are just about knocking others, even if your views would be considered extreme, at least its a view.
    The sad thing about Ireland is that the same bunch of cronies will be running the country soon again and everyone in here will be moaning about it, rather than doing something about it.
    Typical Ireland, we are great at slagging but we are **** at everything else


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    De Dannan wrote: »
    You wont find much support in here OP. Most posters are just about knocking others, even if your views would be considered extreme, at least its a view.

    The OP would get a lot of support if there was anything worth supporting. Wtf is changing our flag got to do with anything at all? :confused: Opinions are like assholes as they say. Doesn't mean they are all equally valid.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 486 ✭✭De Dannan


    I agree with the point about the drugs lords and the general criminality. The current law doesnt work, why else do we have 'no go' areas in our cities and criminals who laugh at the guards who cannot touch them.
    We see old people being beaten in their own homes by animals who are part of this greater drug culture. Guys in hoodies giving 2 fingers to the police who cannot do anything. Imagine thats your parents or grandparents being beaten !
    I do not respect their civil liberties becasue they do not respect mine
    Our police need to be seriuosly heavy handed with these scum
    **** the bleeding hearts civil liberties


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,051 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    Some folks here clearly need to read Hayek's Road to Serfdom, or at least the Wikipedia article on it. The story is quite simple - so simple there's a cartoon version of it. Ireland had its "war" nearly a century ago, and looks to be somewhere around stage 7 or 8 today, while the OP is looking forward to stage 9. The Media will be needed to sell the "plan" to the people, who will then lose confidence in "planners", and look for a "strong man" to "get things done". These are all stages on the Road to Serfdom. :rolleyes:

    PS: the same goes for the OP in this thread. Do you lot think Ireland's situation is unique? In socio-historical terms, it's not.

    Ye Hypocrites, are these your pranks
    To murder men and gie God thanks?
    Desist for shame, proceed no further
    God won't accept your thanks for murder.

    ―Robert Burns



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 486 ✭✭De Dannan


    7. Remove all funding for RTE. They have advertising revenue AND tv licence money. Why are we paying for 500k salaries for their overpaid stars ?


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