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Do We Need Constitutional Changes In Ireland Through A Coup

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  • 12-11-2010 10:40pm
    #1
    RockinRolla
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    ´Clearly Ireland needs totally new structures to run the country. The Dail, the senior Civil service and semi states and of course the bankers have turned the country into a waste land.

    Now if we have a FG/Labour govt and they change some laws etc well and good for the time being. But FF will sooner or later be back, 4/8 years, and they can then set about tailoring the Dail law's to facilitate corruption, cronyism and incompetence again. Example the Freedom of Information and Ethics in Public Office Acts passed during the FG/Labour coalition which were watered to make meaningless by the lowlfie criminals of FF.

    Therefore what I am saying is, surely their will have to be constitutional changes to make sure that acts like these and others such as regulation of the banks, corporate crime etc will have to be tied into the constitution so that future scumbags of FF govt's cannot get in and in stealth fashion, obliterate their powers so they and their rich cronies can get on with the task of robbing and destroying the country ?

    So, right now can we realistically liquadate and bankrupt the entity these bond holders and investors took their casino risk on..........bankrupt the country formally and end the banks. Then just setup a new country with the money left over entirely free of debt with new clean banks. Im pretty sure this could be done over night. Nobody would have to pay their mortages, all debt would be cancelled and thus the new Ireland suddenly becomes the cleanest safest place for those investors not burnt in the madness´

    Could a bloodless, non violent, coup happen here ? How far would things have to go before it could happen ? What could it achieve, if anything ?


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    #2
    charlemont
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    Bring it on...


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    #3
    up for anything
    Registered Users Posts: 5,776 ✭✭✭up for anything


    I'm right behind you but I'd prefer a violent, blood lust filled coup instead if it's all the same to you. I have some axes to grind, literally.


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    mfceiling
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    I have a van if that's any use......but i need it for work. Best of luck anyway


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    scientific1982
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    We need a dictatorship ruled by Dave McWilliams.


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    Mister men
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    Bloodless :confused: Where's the fun in that. Get back to me when we can see Lenny and clown swinging from a tree.


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    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    RockinRolla wrote: »
    ...........Could a bloodless, non violent, coup happen here ? ..........

    Only if we discuss our plans openly on the internet so everyone knows whats going on.


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    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    So... basically you want to establish a dictatorship and begin a civil war of sorts?

    I'm all for it.


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    Iguana Bob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 208 ✭✭Iguana Bob


    up for anything wrote: »
    I'm right behind you but I'd prefer a violent, blood lust filled coup instead if it's all the same to you. I have some axes to grind, literally.

    im up for axeing a few people in the name of progress some one pm me a couple days before hand so i can get an alibi all set up


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    Misanthrope
    Closed Accounts Posts: 613 ✭✭✭Misanthrope


    RockinRolla wrote: »
    ´Clearly Ireland needs totally new structures to run the country. The Dail, the senior Civil service and semi states and of course the bankers have turned the country into a waste land.

    Now if we have a FG/Labour govt and they change some laws etc well and good for the time being. But FF will sooner or later be back, 4/8 years, and they can then set about tailoring the Dail law's to facilitate corruption, cronyism and incompetence again. Example the Freedom of Information and Ethics in Public Office Acts passed during the FG/Labour coalition which were watered to make meaningless by the lowlfie criminals of FF.

    Therefore what I am saying is, surely their will have to be constitutional changes to make sure that acts like these and others such as regulation of the banks, corporate crime etc will have to be tied into the constitution so that future scumbags of FF govt's cannot get in and in stealth fashion, obliterate their powers so they and their rich cronies can get on with the task of robbing and destroying the country ?

    So, right now can we realistically liquadate and bankrupt the entity these bond holders and investors took their casino risk on..........bankrupt the country formally and end the banks. Then just setup a new country with the money left over entirely free of debt with new clean banks. Im pretty sure this could be done over night. Nobody would have to pay their mortages, all debt would be cancelled and thus the new Ireland suddenly becomes the cleanest safest place for those investors not burnt in the madness´

    Could a bloodless, non violent, coup happen here ? How far would things have to go before it could happen ? What could it achieve, if anything ?

    It is the only sane course of action right now.The chances of a bloodless coup(execution of traitors notwithstanding)are actually very high,if our military were to conduct it.Let's face it,90% of the country wouldn't even know it had happened until they'd finished reading the soccer news in the next days paper.As long as they get their English soccer pissy beer and junk food and X factor,they will pose no problem.If you want a violent mob revolution deny them these things.

    My fear is that the scumbag element,gangs etc will be the first to move here.The Gardai wouldn't stand a chance if it came down to drawing guns.The time is fast approaching for our army to step up and do what they are paid to do by the Irish taxpayer.To my mind this does not include wiping Uncle Sams arse in places like Rwanda etc.


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    darragh16
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    No


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    Pherekydes
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    scientific1982 wrote: »
    We need a dictatorship ruled by Dave McWilliams.

    Another economist running the country? Haven't they done enough damage?


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    Wile E. Coyote
    Registered Users Posts: 1,560 ✭✭✭Wile E. Coyote


    Where's the fun in a bloodless coup? I'll bring a machete you bring a baseball bat and we'll make a day of it.


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    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    RockinRolla wrote: »
    Could a bloodless, non violent, coup happen here ?
    I'd settle for an election.


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    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    Misanthrope wrote: »
    It is the only sane course of action right now.The chances of a bloodless coup(execution of traitors notwithstanding)are actually very high,if our military were to conduct it.Let's face it,90% of the country wouldn't even know it had happened until they'd finished reading the soccer news in the next days paper.As long as they get their English soccer pissy beer and junk food and X factor,they will pose no problem.If you want a violent mob revolution deny them these things.

    My fear is that the scumbag element,gangs etc will be the first to move here.The Gardai wouldn't stand a chance if it came down to drawing guns.The time is fast approaching for our army to step up and do what they are paid to do by the Irish taxpayer.To my mind this does not include wiping Uncle Sams arse in places like Rwanda etc.
    A bloodless coup by who and for whom? It pains me to say it but we aren't some violent unstable third world country with an evil, oppressive government. In a democracy coups aren't necessary. If you don't like the government vote for someone else when the time comes. The last thing we need is for a bunch of crazies to start causing trouble to get us kicked out of the EU.


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    Pompey Magnus
    Registered Users Posts: 5,406 ✭✭✭Pompey Magnus


    I'm just going to set up my own political party running ordinary Joe Soaps, the only campaign promise will be that we will ask the Irish people to give us an overall majority with the pledge that we will only form the equivalent of an interim government, immediately when elected to government we will push through legislation reducing the number of seats in the Dail to about 60 and introducing pay caps on politicians as well as serious limits on expenses and other political perks.

    This will be achieved as quickly as possible, pushed through the Dail with our majority and the party will pledge to then disband immediately and allow normal service to be resumed under the established parties with a new General Election but under much less cosy terms for any future politicians. As all candidates will be complete amateurs the existing ministers will be invited to retain their positions for the short period of the new government so as to keep things ticking along. I reckon its the only way to reform Irish politics as turkeys won't vote for Christmas and no career politician that infests modern Irish politics will ever contemplate doing this themselves. I reckon this plan is watertight, I have thought it through deeply for at least 25 minutes and reckon it will definitely probably work.

    This has been a party political broadcast on behalf of The Irish Reform Party.


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    Wile E. Coyote
    Registered Users Posts: 1,560 ✭✭✭Wile E. Coyote


    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    A bloodless coup by who and for whom? It pains me to say it but we aren't some violent unstable third world country with an evil, oppressive government. In a democracy coups aren't necessary. If you don't like the government vote for someone else when the time comes. The last thing we need is for a bunch of crazies to start causing trouble to get us kicked out of the EU.

    Don't start going all sensible on us.

    Only AH type answers to these threads are acceptable so they'll take them to POLITICS where they belong.


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    darragh16
    Registered Users Posts: 882 ✭✭✭darragh16


    This has been a party political broadcast on behalf of The Irish Reform Party.


    Its been done: http://www.reform.org/


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    Terry
    Registered Users Posts: 26,061 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    I'd just like to know why the government are disputing three by-elections.
    It's not very democratic, is it?


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    Pompey Magnus
    Registered Users Posts: 5,406 ✭✭✭Pompey Magnus


    darragh16 wrote: »
    Its been done: http://www.reform.org/

    Feckers got the name before me :mad:.


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    #21
    Holybejaysus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 415 ✭✭Holybejaysus


    dvpower wrote: »
    I'd settle for an election.

    This is the only rational, sensible, and democratic thing I have heard so far.
    The mindset of some of the people on here is, frankly, terrifying. Who knew we had so many little Hitlers in Ireland? :rolleyes:
    Or maybe it's just Walter Mitty night where starry eyed dreamers indulge in their political fetishes.


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    Nodin
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    Wile E. Coyote wrote: »
    Where's the fun in a bloodless coup? I'll bring a machete you bring a baseball bat and we'll make a day of it.

    baseball bat? Machete? Is there something wrong with the traditional hurley and phase tester?


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    Colm!
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    scientific1982 wrote: »
    We need a dictatorship ruled by Dave McWilliams.

    Featuring propaganda imagery of him walking and talking in various dramatic locations, including Antarctica, the outside of a volcano, Tokyo, and the surface of the fucking sun.
    Created using taxpayer money and produced by RTÉ.


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    #24
    Wile E. Coyote
    Registered Users Posts: 1,560 ✭✭✭Wile E. Coyote


    Holybejaysus wrote: »
    This is the only rational, sensible, and democratic thing I have heard so far.
    The mindset of some of the people on here is, frankly, terrifying. Who knew we had so many little Hitlers in Ireland? :rolleyes:
    Or maybe it's just Walter Mitty night where starry eyed dreamers indulge in their political fetishes.

    You do realise your in AH don't you? You don't come here for rational, sensible and democratic answers.


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    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    Nodin wrote: »
    Is there something wrong with the traditional hurley and phase tester?
    Nothing whatsoever. All we need is an armed battalion of around 10,000 hurlers and maybe 50,000 sliothars and the coup will be a resounding success.


    (The funny thing is that 50,000 sliothárs and 10000 hurley wielding people could prove enough force for a coup in Ireland)


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    Holybejaysus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 415 ✭✭Holybejaysus


    Wile E. Coyote wrote: »
    You do realise your in AH don't you? You don't come here for rational, sensible and democratic answers.

    Yes I realise that, but when people start to talk about hanging Brian Cowen and Brian Lenihan up from lamp posts......That's crossing a line in my opinion. And I'm not even a FF man.


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    Wile E. Coyote
    Registered Users Posts: 1,560 ✭✭✭Wile E. Coyote


    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    Nothing whatsoever. All we need is an armed battalion of around 10,000 hurlers and maybe 50,000 sliothars and the coup will be a resounding success.


    (The funny thing is that 50,000 sliothárs and 10000 hurley wielding people could prove enough force for a coup in Ireland)

    We'll start in Cork. They're hurlers are always up for a coup.


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    #28
    darragh16
    Registered Users Posts: 882 ✭✭✭darragh16


    Can't we all just settle down and have a 'coup' of tea?


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    Pherekydes
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    Wile E. Coyote wrote: »
    We'll start in Cork. They're hurlers are always up for a coup.

    Pfft, Kilkenny and Tipp could overrun the country on their own.


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    #30
    RockinRolla
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    *Dáil Éireann safely evacuated, Large crowd declares 7th Irish Republic.

    *Reports just coming in of a possible bloodless, and successful non violent coup, in Dublin tonight.

    *Gardai are believed to have stood by, and some are believed to have even assisted, as a tens of thousands of disaffected members of the public took over Dáil Buildings tonight. No injuries are reported.

    *A group of Irish citizens, not afflicted to any political party, have put in place a temporary provisional government until the first general elections of the 7th Irish Republic are held in January. They have read a new proclamation at gates of Leinster house, an updated version of the 1916 proclamation, declaring the new republic and a fresh beginning.

    1798, 1803, 1848, 1867, 1916, 1948.

    And you think we're on the second? Please, do feel free to keep up with the history of your nation, people. As for the colour revolution and proclaiming the 7th Republic, I'm vaguely hopeful it might be happening on Budget Day if enough people show up.


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    dvpower
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    Wile E. Coyote wrote: »
    You do realise your in AH don't you? You don't come here for rational, sensible and democratic answers.
    I second that motion.


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