Do We Need Constitutional Changes In Ireland Through A Coup

RockinRolla

´Clearly Ireland needs totally new structures to run the country. The Dail, the senior Civil service and semi states and of course the bankers have turned the country into a waste land.

Now if we have a FG/Labour govt and they change some laws etc well and good for the time being. But FF will sooner or later be back, 4/8 years, and they can then set about tailoring the Dail law's to facilitate corruption, cronyism and incompetence again. Example the Freedom of Information and Ethics in Public Office Acts passed during the FG/Labour coalition which were watered to make meaningless by the lowlfie criminals of FF.

Therefore what I am saying is, surely their will have to be constitutional changes to make sure that acts like these and others such as regulation of the banks, corporate crime etc will have to be tied into the constitution so that future scumbags of FF govt's cannot get in and in stealth fashion, obliterate their powers so they and their rich cronies can get on with the task of robbing and destroying the country ?

So, right now can we realistically liquadate and bankrupt the entity these bond holders and investors took their casino risk on..........bankrupt the country formally and end the banks. Then just setup a new country with the money left over entirely free of debt with new clean banks. Im pretty sure this could be done over night. Nobody would have to pay their mortages, all debt would be cancelled and thus the new Ireland suddenly becomes the cleanest safest place for those investors not burnt in the madness´

Could a bloodless, non violent, coup happen here ? How far would things have to go before it could happen ? What could it achieve, if anything ?

charlemont

Bring it on...

up for anything

I'm right behind you but I'd prefer a violent, blood lust filled coup instead if it's all the same to you. I have some axes to grind, literally.

mfceiling

I have a van if that's any use......but i need it for work. Best of luck anyway

scientific1982

We need a dictatorship ruled by Dave McWilliams.

Mister men

Bloodless Where's the fun in that. Get back to me when we can see Lenny and clown swinging from a tree.

Nodin

RockinRolla wrote: »

...........Could a bloodless, non violent, coup happen here ? ..........

Only if we discuss our plans openly on the internet so everyone knows whats going on.

partyatmygaff

So... basically you want to establish a dictatorship and begin a civil war of sorts?

I'm all for it.

Iguana Bob

up for anything wrote: »

I'm right behind you but I'd prefer a violent, blood lust filled coup instead if it's all the same to you. I have some axes to grind, literally.

im up for axeing a few people in the name of progress some one pm me a couple days before hand so i can get an alibi all set up

Misanthrope

RockinRolla wrote: »

´Clearly Ireland needs totally new structures to run the country. The Dail, the senior Civil service and semi states and of course the bankers have turned the country into a waste land.

Now if we have a FG/Labour govt and they change some laws etc well and good for the time being. But FF will sooner or later be back, 4/8 years, and they can then set about tailoring the Dail law's to facilitate corruption, cronyism and incompetence again. Example the Freedom of Information and Ethics in Public Office Acts passed during the FG/Labour coalition which were watered to make meaningless by the lowlfie criminals of FF.

Therefore what I am saying is, surely their will have to be constitutional changes to make sure that acts like these and others such as regulation of the banks, corporate crime etc will have to be tied into the constitution so that future scumbags of FF govt's cannot get in and in stealth fashion, obliterate their powers so they and their rich cronies can get on with the task of robbing and destroying the country ?

So, right now can we realistically liquadate and bankrupt the entity these bond holders and investors took their casino risk on..........bankrupt the country formally and end the banks. Then just setup a new country with the money left over entirely free of debt with new clean banks. Im pretty sure this could be done over night. Nobody would have to pay their mortages, all debt would be cancelled and thus the new Ireland suddenly becomes the cleanest safest place for those investors not burnt in the madness´

Could a bloodless, non violent, coup happen here ? How far would things have to go before it could happen ? What could it achieve, if anything ?

It is the only sane course of action right now.The chances of a bloodless coup(execution of traitors notwithstanding)are actually very high,if our military were to conduct it.Let's face it,90% of the country wouldn't even know it had happened until they'd finished reading the soccer news in the next days paper.As long as they get their English soccer pissy beer and junk food and X factor,they will pose no problem.If you want a violent mob revolution deny them these things.

My fear is that the scumbag element,gangs etc will be the first to move here.The Gardai wouldn't stand a chance if it came down to drawing guns.The time is fast approaching for our army to step up and do what they are paid to do by the Irish taxpayer.To my mind this does not include wiping Uncle Sams arse in places like Rwanda etc.

darragh16

No

Pherekydes

scientific1982 wrote: »

We need a dictatorship ruled by Dave McWilliams.

Another economist running the country? Haven't they done enough damage?

Wile E. Coyote

Where's the fun in a bloodless coup? I'll bring a machete you bring a baseball bat and we'll make a day of it.

dvpower

RockinRolla wrote: »

Could a bloodless, non violent, coup happen here ?

I'd settle for an election.

partyatmygaff

Misanthrope wrote: »

It is the only sane course of action right now.The chances of a bloodless coup(execution of traitors notwithstanding)are actually very high,if our military were to conduct it.Let's face it,90% of the country wouldn't even know it had happened until they'd finished reading the soccer news in the next days paper.As long as they get their English soccer pissy beer and junk food and X factor,they will pose no problem.If you want a violent mob revolution deny them these things.

My fear is that the scumbag element,gangs etc will be the first to move here.The Gardai wouldn't stand a chance if it came down to drawing guns.The time is fast approaching for our army to step up and do what they are paid to do by the Irish taxpayer.To my mind this does not include wiping Uncle Sams arse in places like Rwanda etc.

A bloodless coup by who and for whom? It pains me to say it but we aren't some violent unstable third world country with an evil, oppressive government. In a democracy coups aren't necessary. If you don't like the government vote for someone else when the time comes. The last thing we need is for a bunch of crazies to start causing trouble to get us kicked out of the EU.

Pompey Magnus

I'm just going to set up my own political party running ordinary Joe Soaps, the only campaign promise will be that we will ask the Irish people to give us an overall majority with the pledge that we will only form the equivalent of an interim government, immediately when elected to government we will push through legislation reducing the number of seats in the Dail to about 60 and introducing pay caps on politicians as well as serious limits on expenses and other political perks.

This will be achieved as quickly as possible, pushed through the Dail with our majority and the party will pledge to then disband immediately and allow normal service to be resumed under the established parties with a new General Election but under much less cosy terms for any future politicians. As all candidates will be complete amateurs the existing ministers will be invited to retain their positions for the short period of the new government so as to keep things ticking along. I reckon its the only way to reform Irish politics as turkeys won't vote for Christmas and no career politician that infests modern Irish politics will ever contemplate doing this themselves. I reckon this plan is watertight, I have thought it through deeply for at least 25 minutes and reckon it will definitely probably work.

This has been a party political broadcast on behalf of The Irish Reform Party.

Wile E. Coyote

partyatmygaff wrote: »

A bloodless coup by who and for whom? It pains me to say it but we aren't some violent unstable third world country with an evil, oppressive government. In a democracy coups aren't necessary. If you don't like the government vote for someone else when the time comes. The last thing we need is for a bunch of crazies to start causing trouble to get us kicked out of the EU.

Don't start going all sensible on us.

Only AH type answers to these threads are acceptable so they'll take them to POLITICS where they belong.

darragh16

This has been a party political broadcast on behalf of The Irish Reform Party.

Its been done: http://www.reform.org/

Terry

I'd just like to know why the government are disputing three by-elections.
It's not very democratic, is it?

Pompey Magnus

darragh16 wrote: »

Its been done: http://www.reform.org/

Feckers got the name before me :mad:.

Holybejaysus

dvpower wrote: »

I'd settle for an election.

This is the only rational, sensible, and democratic thing I have heard so far.
The mindset of some of the people on here is, frankly, terrifying. Who knew we had so many little Hitlers in Ireland? :rolleyes:
Or maybe it's just Walter Mitty night where starry eyed dreamers indulge in their political fetishes.

Nodin

Wile E. Coyote wrote: »

Where's the fun in a bloodless coup? I'll bring a machete you bring a baseball bat and we'll make a day of it.

baseball bat? Machete? Is there something wrong with the traditional hurley and phase tester?

Colm!

scientific1982 wrote: »

We need a dictatorship ruled by Dave McWilliams.

Featuring propaganda imagery of him walking and talking in various dramatic locations, including Antarctica, the outside of a volcano, Tokyo, and the surface of the fucking sun.
Created using taxpayer money and produced by RTÉ.

Wile E. Coyote

Holybejaysus wrote: »

This is the only rational, sensible, and democratic thing I have heard so far.
The mindset of some of the people on here is, frankly, terrifying. Who knew we had so many little Hitlers in Ireland? :rolleyes:
Or maybe it's just Walter Mitty night where starry eyed dreamers indulge in their political fetishes.

You do realise your in AH don't you? You don't come here for rational, sensible and democratic answers.

partyatmygaff

Nodin wrote: »

Is there something wrong with the traditional hurley and phase tester?

Nothing whatsoever. All we need is an armed battalion of around 10,000 hurlers and maybe 50,000 sliothars and the coup will be a resounding success.


(The funny thing is that 50,000 sliothárs and 10000 hurley wielding people could prove enough force for a coup in Ireland)

Holybejaysus

Wile E. Coyote wrote: »

You do realise your in AH don't you? You don't come here for rational, sensible and democratic answers.

Yes I realise that, but when people start to talk about hanging Brian Cowen and Brian Lenihan up from lamp posts......That's crossing a line in my opinion. And I'm not even a FF man.

Wile E. Coyote

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Nothing whatsoever. All we need is an armed battalion of around 10,000 hurlers and maybe 50,000 sliothars and the coup will be a resounding success.


(The funny thing is that 50,000 sliothárs and 10000 hurley wielding people could prove enough force for a coup in Ireland)

We'll start in Cork. They're hurlers are always up for a coup.

darragh16

Can't we all just settle down and have a 'coup' of tea?

Pherekydes

Wile E. Coyote wrote: »

We'll start in Cork. They're hurlers are always up for a coup.

Pfft, Kilkenny and Tipp could overrun the country on their own.

RockinRolla

*Dáil Éireann safely evacuated, Large crowd declares 7th Irish Republic.

*Reports just coming in of a possible bloodless, and successful non violent coup, in Dublin tonight.

*Gardai are believed to have stood by, and some are believed to have even assisted, as a tens of thousands of disaffected members of the public took over Dáil Buildings tonight. No injuries are reported.

*A group of Irish citizens, not afflicted to any political party, have put in place a temporary provisional government until the first general elections of the 7th Irish Republic are held in January. They have read a new proclamation at gates of Leinster house, an updated version of the 1916 proclamation, declaring the new republic and a fresh beginning.

1798, 1803, 1848, 1867, 1916, 1948.

And you think we're on the second? Please, do feel free to keep up with the history of your nation, people. As for the colour revolution and proclaiming the 7th Republic, I'm vaguely hopeful it might be happening on Budget Day if enough people show up.

dvpower

Wile E. Coyote wrote: »

You do realise your in AH don't you? You don't come here for rational, sensible and democratic answers.

I second that motion.

ascanbe

Holybejaysus wrote: »

This is the only rational, sensible, and democratic thing I have heard so far.
The mindset of some of the people on here is, frankly, terrifying. Who knew we had so many little Hitlers in Ireland? :rolleyes:
Or maybe it's just Walter Mitty night where starry eyed dreamers indulge in their political fetishes.

No one told you?

scientific1982

Colm! wrote: »

Featuring propaganda imagery of him walking and talking in various dramatic locations, including Antarctica, the outside of a volcano, Tokyo, and the surface of the fucking sun.
Created using taxpayer money and produced by RTÉ.

How dare you use profanity when referring to the dear leader.

Misanthrope

A bloodless coup by who and for whom?

Yawn!By the Irish army for the Irish people.It's written in my previous post.

It pains me to say it but we aren't some violent unstable third world country with an evil, oppressive government. In a democracy coups aren't necessary. If you don't like the government vote for someone else when the time comes.

So we would have to wait until our government got unstable,violent,evil and oppressive.I'm going to leave evil out here due to the subjectivity of the word.

So you think they are stable?Being forced to bail out banks against our will is oppressive.Disregarding our NO vote was oppressive.Their shielding of and collusion with RCC paedophiles has enabled oppression.Gardai baton charging OAPs at Corrib protests?

You think you live in a democracy?It's a shamocracy.Ireland is still run by absentee landlords, like the ECB,IMF,World Bank,U.N.,EU Commission etc, etc.The clowns and crooks you seem to think are running a democracy are nothing more than hatchet men.

The last thing we need is for a bunch of crazies to start causing trouble to get us kicked out of the EU.

What crazies?I'm talking about a swift, bloodless coup, carried out by the army, with the specific intent of preventing the crazies from running amock.


How could a 'bunch of crazies' get us kicked out of the EU.Please do explain that to me in detail.By what legal process and precedent would this occur?Can you show me the legislation that sets out a course of excommunicatory action in response to 'trouble caused by crazies'

I'd be delighted if the EU could kick us out.They can't and they don't want to.If you read the 'treaty', you would know this.

The first thing I would like to see after a military coup is our immediate withdrawal from the EU as it stands.We can still maintain trade agreements and start new ones, like the Swiss.Ever wonder how EU buys Swiss dairy and livestock but tells us we are overproducing in that area?Ever wonder why Clonakilty Black Pudding is made with Argentinian beef blood?When did the Argies join the EU.

Misanthrope

Holybejaysus wrote: »

This is the only rational, sensible, and democratic thing I have heard so far.
The mindset of some of the people on here is, frankly, terrifying. Who knew we had so many little Hitlers in Ireland? :rolleyes:
Or maybe it's just Walter Mitty night where starry eyed dreamers indulge in their political fetishes.

You'd probably have been one of those throwing rotten veg at the men of 1916,had you been around.

What Clarke,Collins, Pearse etc did was extremely violent.They must be the epitome of disgust for you with your in vogue "oh I'm so mature I frown upon violence".

They got results though.You will never get results because you believe you have a vote that counts.So sit there, cowering with your prescribed principles and faux piety, while real men stand up and do something.You can't even bear to hear it spoken of can you.But you'd probably be the first to endorse it and falsely glorify it after the deed is done.

It is your mentality that has put this country in the dark hole we are in today.Thanks for nothing.

Misanthrope

Wile E. Coyote wrote: »

We'll start in Cork. They're hurlers are always up for a coup.

If Cork is still part of Ireland by then.Their hurlers want international caps now.And they want to stay out of the Championship and just play the winners for the title of World hurling champions

sdanseo

There's a huge difference between rebelling against a deluded government who are clinging to power because it suits them, and rebelling violently against a continuing foreign occupation of Ireland. Please don't tarnish what the 1916 guys did - or play up the anti-democratic fools in Leinster House at present - by comparing the two.

I think they're trying their best as far as governing the country goes, personally, and I duuno if anyone in an established party could do any better. But holding off on the bye-elections combined with their mish-mash way of doing things and lack of ability to maintain full control of things mean a change is in order - even if it's short lived.

Maybe the time has come seeing as how no political party in the country has two brain cells to rub together - this is a serious suggestion too - there has on the whole been a HUGE amount of sensible contributions on this forum and website, and in 100% seriousness if it were allowed I reckon a group of boardsies should start a party and we should all go up for election. Odds on we'd get more seats that the greens, anyway.

Holybejaysus

Misanthrope wrote: »

You'd probably have been one of those throwing rotten veg at the men of 1916,had you been around.

What Clarke,Collins, Pearse etc did was extremely violent.They must be the epitome of disgust for you with your in vogue "oh I'm so mature I frown upon violence".

They got results though.You will never get results because you believe you have a vote that counts.So sit there, cowering with your prescribed principles and faux piety, while real men stand up and do something.You can't even bear to hear it spoken of can you.But you'd probably be the first to endorse it and falsely glorify it after the deed is done.

It is your mentality that has put this country in the dark hole we are in today.Thanks for nothing.

1916=Country under oppression.
2010=Democracy. You know, whereby everybody gets to have a say in who is elected into power? If it doesn't go my way, I tend not to throw my toys out of the pram and start using violence. But hey, different strokes for different folks. Just don't be surprised when you keep pushing and somebody pushes back.
Also, I tend to take the glorification of the 1916 men with a pinch of salt, tbh. Their attempt at revolution was a total failure. It was only when the British over-reacted and executed the lot that the people started to sit up and take notice. But I'm sure you already knew that.

Oranage2

Holybejaysus wrote: »

1916=Country under oppression.
2010=Democracy. You know, whereby everybody gets to have a say in who is elected into power? If it doesn't go my way, I tend not to throw my toys out of the pram and start using violence. But hey, different strokes for different folks. Just don't be surprised when you keep pushing and somebody pushes back.
Also, I tend to take the glorification of the 1916 men with a pinch of salt, tbh. Their attempt at revolution was a total failure. It was only when the British over-reacted and executed the lot that the people started to sit up and take notice. But I'm sure you already knew that.

1916=Country under oppression.
2010=Democracy. You know, whereby everybody gets to have a say in who is elected into power? If it doesn't go my way, I tend not to throw my toys out of the pram and start using violence. But hey, different strokes for different folks. Just don't be surprised when you keep pushing and somebody pushes back.
2011=Country under oppression.

partyatmygaff

Oranage2 wrote: »

2011=Country in recession

FYP

Frogeye

The time is fast approaching for our army to step up and do what they are paid to do by the Irish taxpayer.[/QUOTE]
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The tax payer pays our army to obey the orders of the democratically elected government. The army have a proud record of staying out of politics in this country. Any time an army gets involved in politics it ends badly for all concerned. Look at Thailand, Burma, Argentina, etc etc.

RockinRolla

Frogeye wrote: »

The time is fast approaching for our army to step up and do what they are paid to do by the Irish taxpayer`
The tax payer pays our army to obey the orders of the democratically elected government. The army have a proud record of staying out of politics in this country. Any time an army gets involved in politics it ends badly for all concerned. Look at Thailand, Burma, Argentina, etc etc.

I seriously doubt the army could be bothered to get up off their backside until its too late (if at all). The majority of people in this country have zero initiative when it comes to the current Government, yet complain about it all day long.

bonzodog2

Nodin wrote: »

baseball bat? Machete? Is there something wrong with the traditional hurley and phase tester?

I'd love to know, just out of curiousity (sp?), how you inflict serious damage with a phase tester. Maybe the term means something completely different to you ?

artanevilla

Coup = Take over by another goverment sector, usually the military.
Revolt = Same ****, but by the people.

marglin

A colour revolution on budget day might at least force an election. This is still a democracy so a peaceful colour revolution would be like a sort of democratic coup thereby keeping the crazies and the moderates happy.

At the end of the day we all just want FF out. I have respect for lenihan but his whole party is rotten to the core. Probably FG/Labour arent any better but how do we know if we dont give them a chance.

On the other hand my chainsaw could use an aul run out on the town, god knows he's been missing the action

O'Coonassa

marglin wrote: »

A colour revolution on budget day might at least force an election. This is still a democracy so a peaceful colour revolution would be like a sort of democratic coup thereby keeping the crazies and the moderates happy.

Proper order. All that's needed is everybody to be outside Leinster House on budget day. It could be epic, everybody should take the day off and go for it.

ejmaztec

dvpower wrote: »

I'd settle for an erection.

Post fixed by FF Propaganda Minister Pat Goebbels.

kowloon

The leader is good, the leader is great. We surrender our will, as of this date.