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Teacher murdered on night out...sentences of 5 and 4 years

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    c_man wrote: »
    Our "justice" system in this country is a complete joke.
    And someone caught with the possession of a bong will get 5 years. :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭Sofa King Great


    And someone caught with the possession of a bong will get 5 years. :rolleyes:

    Show me a case where someone has been sentenced for that?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,402 ✭✭✭HarryPotter41


    Show me a case where someone has been sentenced for that?


    Its off topic but just for clarity for a third offence for possession of cannibas the maximum sentence is three years, best of my knowledge the same covers paraphenelia, so you're right, highly unlikely any sentence would be given for that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 903 ✭✭✭bernardo mac


    Justice Carroll Moran deemed it an appalling crime.What is also appalling and unacceptable is the Legal system's indifference to the sacredness of human life and in this case, the annihilation of innocence when doling out shockingly inadequate punishment to the Dinan two.The court has exercised more regard for the legal rights of two killers with lengthy criminal records than it has shown respect for the victim,Brian Casey,his family and friends. The Dinan's "Licence" to kill will only cost them a few years,with remission,in secure and comfortable confinement,fed and cared for while many decent people outside prison will struggle to pay bills, mortgages, feed and educate their children.And the Casey family and Brian's girl friend try to cope with their loss. The Dinans and their like will be emboldened to commit violent crime again while the courts deal so lightly with such horrific acts.What security is there for decent people living law abiding lives when such random violence is increasingly and alarmingly common? But Judge Moran will never be in danger of assault by such appalling low life. Clare people,at least should never forget and forgive this obscene crime and its appalling punishment.The names Harry and Kevin Dinan will always be associated degradation ,degeneracy and injustice.Let that be their true sentence.And let it be known to them,their family,friends and fellow criminals.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,351 ✭✭✭Orando Broom


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    I wouldnt be so quick to blame the Judges tbh, most likely following the letter of th law



    If our elected representatives were doing the job they are supposed to do (legislate, formulate laws) and not be running round getting council houses for skangers and the like we might not have these situations. The TD's are the reasons our jail sentances are ****e. what's more there will be some TD writing to the MoJ looking for temporary release for these two ****s for Christmas.

    The political system in this country is so unbelievably ****ed.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 784 ✭✭✭marzic


    Even if they plead guilty, I think the evidence should be heard against them, for the public record. The CCTV should be shown. Rest in Peace Brian Casey.

    The law makers and enforcers have their part to play, but society or someone has to try to understand why men like the dinans are so violent. Its not enough to say 'cos they're scum', by all means lock them up, but why are they so fcuking super-violent? Can we do anything about the next generation of dinans or whoever, cos they'll most likely already be known to the authorities. Intervention.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,552 ✭✭✭pakalasa


    I can see a public protest march coming out of this.

    I'm from clare and I remember been appalled at the crime, when it happened. Then to hear the sentencing on the news yesterday - like everone, shocked. :mad:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,668 ✭✭✭nlgbbbblth


    angelfire9 wrote: »
    I assume you are referring to Lesley Kenny in Kilrush?
    Different kettle of fish, the accused reloaded the shotgun that shows intent to kill
    If he only wanted to injure the first 2 shots were enough

    Different kettle of fish indeed. Was there not provocation and various threats in the background for that one? Which makes the murder verdict even more surprising.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,404 ✭✭✭✭Pembily


    angelfire9 wrote: »
    I presume you are from clare? As am I
    I didn't know of the Dinan's before this case as it happens.

    I knew of them before they did this - had heard about them as they are proper scum...

    pakalasa wrote: »
    I can see a public protest march coming out of this.

    I'm from clare and I remember been appalled at the crime, when it happened. Then to hear the sentencing on the news yesterday - like everone, shocked. :mad:

    I was out that night and got home and found out the next day and was shaken to the core, Mr Casey and his gf are close in age to me and it was horrible but it didn't surprise me in the slightest!! Ennis has turned into a scum filled town... Quite sad because it can be quite nice :( What is more sickening and again NOT SURPRISING is this all happened next to a pub with bouncers on the door!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,930 ✭✭✭Raiser


    Pembily wrote: »
    I knew of them before they did this - had heard about them as they are proper scum...




    I was out that night and got home and found out the next day and was shaken to the core, Mr Casey and his gf are close in age to me and it was horrible but it didn't surprise me in the slightest!! Ennis has turned into a scum filled town... Quite sad because it can be quite nice :( What is more sickening and again NOT SURPRISING is this all happened next to a pub with bouncers on the door!!!!

    Bouncers are there to protect the Pubs Business, Assets and to a slight degree reputation.

    - The reality is that everyone of a certain age-range heads out on the weekend, gets legless drunk with VAT and Duty paid to the Government on every last drop with no real effort ever being made to safeguard their security.

    The Gardaí are rarely seen on our Streets and even less after the Pubs/Clubs close - There is a duty of care that is just not bothered with.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,160 ✭✭✭Callan57


    Isn't this yet another case where the perps. should not even have been on the streets ... not only do both have rap sheets as long as my arm but one was on temporary release (!) and the other was on bail (!)
    It amazes me that judges who get up on their high horses when a mobile rings in 'their court' yet they don't bat an eyelid when their decisions viz a vie sentencing is treated with total contempt.
    We need to restore law & order before something much worse than the IMF takes over our country.
    :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,283 ✭✭✭Chorcai


    Christ ya could go on a right good rant about this, but what's the point. Sure nothing shocks me anymore about how easy the courts are these days.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭jackiebaron


    Merzbow wrote: »
    I suppose it is "societys" fault they killed him :rolleyes: Seriously no matter how left-wing or liberal you are, can anyone even remotely justify these sentences

    What has being left-wing or liberal got to do with sentencing guidelines?

    Communist China and Soviet Russia are/were extreme left-wing regimes where you get shot for possessing drugs.

    My politics aren't about right and left, mate, they're about right and wrong.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,226 ✭✭✭angelfire9


    nlgbbbblth wrote: »
    Different kettle of fish indeed. Was there not provocation and various threats in the background for that one? Which makes the murder verdict even more surprising.

    In the case of the murder of Lesley Kenny, Brendan O'Sullivan called the deceased to come over to his house, and shot him twice and then reloaded and shot him again
    I realise Lesley Kenny was no saint but there were circumstances in that murder conviction which gave the impression of premeditation which is why O'Sullivan was convicted of murder


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,668 ✭✭✭nlgbbbblth


    angelfire9 wrote: »
    In the case of the murder of Lesley Kenny, Brendan O'Sullivan called the deceased to come over to his house, and shot him twice and then reloaded and shot him again
    I realise Lesley Kenny was no saint but there were circumstances in that murder conviction which gave the impression of premeditation which is why O'Sullivan was convicted of murder

    It seems like the jury didn't take the provocation and death threats into account. It reads like a case of kill or be killed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,226 ✭✭✭angelfire9


    nlgbbbblth wrote: »
    It seems like the jury didn't take the provocation and death threats into account. It reads like a case of kill or be killed.

    The DPP would have emphasised the fact that Kenny was unarmed at the time of his death, he was invited into the garden by O'Sullivan who wanted to "sort things out" and O'Sullivan reloaded the gun

    The defence would have emphasised Kenny's previous convictions, his character and the threats to O'Sullivan's family

    The jury decided to convict of murder


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