Teacher murdered on night out...sentences of 5 and 4 years

Raiser · 09-11-2010 10:25AM

bigpink wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1108/caseyb.html#video

Watch their big scummy smug heads coming out of the court,hopfully they hang themselves or overdose on drugs while locked up out of guilt

Why would they feel guilty?

- Society has told them they're grand via our Justice System, right now there's some greedy, conscienceless Barrister paid for by you and me who is diligently explaining to this Scum how they can qualify for early release and knock years off these tiny sentences.....

bigpink · 09-11-2010 10:27AM

Prob not but still hope they might hang themselves or overdose

Sofa King Great · 09-11-2010 10:30AM

bigpink wrote: »

Prob not but still hope they might hang themselves or overdose

You sound like a lovely person

ClutchIt · 09-11-2010 10:31AM

Oh my God this shít boils my blood. I honestly would love to see corporal punishment re-introduced. And capital punishment. Not because I believe capital punishment would deter criminals or make anyone feel better, but simply because it's the only way to gaurantee this scum won't re-offend.

Failing all that, can we please do something about these WIMP FÚCKING SENTENCES

bigpink · 09-11-2010 10:33AM

Sofa King Great wrote: »

You sound like a lovely person

This crime doesnt make you sick,they KILLED a young man for no REASON

gimme5minutes · 09-11-2010 10:34AM

5 years means he will be out in about 4.

ClutchIt · 09-11-2010 10:35AM

Sofa King Great wrote: »

You sound like a lovely person

Well if they don't hang themselves or overdose, then in 3 or 4 years they'll be out robbing and murdering people again. Imagine the victims family ever having to see their faces walking the streets? So ya, give those scummers a fúcking rope and forcefeed them paracetemol I say.

Sofa King Great · 09-11-2010 10:37AM

bigpink wrote: »

This crime doesnt make you sick,they KILLED a young man for no REASON

Does you wishing them dead make you any better than they are?

Don't get me wrong, I think the sentances are a joke. Often times judges aren't even handing down the mandatory sentences for certain offences and this need s to be changed. It should not be possible for someone with 50 or more convictions to be walking the streets unless they are very very old and have served about 50 years.

bigpink · 09-11-2010 10:46AM

Sofa King Great wrote: »

Does you wishing them dead make you any better than they are?

Don't get me wrong, I think the sentances are a joke. Often times judges aren't even handing down the mandatory sentences for certain offences and this need s to be changed. It should not be possible for someone with 50 or more convictions to be walking the streets unless they are very very old and have served about 50 years.

I havent killed a person or commited lots of crimes,if they were law abiding i wouldnt wish them dead

wildlifeboy · 09-11-2010 10:53AM

If I am driving home on a saturday night and someone drunk falls out in front of me and i kill them should i get twenty years for manslaughter?. I am not defending the terms they got but you cant just dole out 20 - 30 years for manslaughter. their previous convictions should have come into play here and added on to the manslaughter charge.

bigpink · 09-11-2010 11:01AM

wildlifeboy wrote: »

If I am driving home on a saturday night and someone drunk falls out in front of me and i kill them should i get twenty years for manslaughter?. I am not defending the terms they got but you cant just dole out 20 - 30 years for manslaughter. their previous convictions should have come into play here and added on to the manslaughter charge.

That would be an accident....these guys attacked this man

HarryPotter41 · 09-11-2010 11:07AM

wildlifeboy wrote: »

If I am driving home on a saturday night and someone drunk falls out in front of me and i kill them should i get twenty years for manslaughter?. I am not defending the terms they got but you cant just dole out 20 - 30 years for manslaughter. their previous convictions should have come into play here and added on to the manslaughter charge.

Thats why that kind of manslaughter is dealt with under the Road Traffic Act rather than under any part of the Criminal Justice Act, two different types of offence. Plus if someone falls out in front of your car while drunk and you kill them there is no intent to wound or kill on your part so no charge would be brought. Technically the offence would be committed in the eyes of the law by the person you killed.

angelfire9 · 09-11-2010 11:07AM

bigpink wrote: »

That would be an accident....these guys attacked this man

Actually it would be Dangerous Driving Causing Death

angelfire9 · 09-11-2010 11:08AM

HarryPotter41 wrote: »

Thats why that kind of manslaughter is dealt with under the Road Traffic Act rather than under any part of the Criminal Justice Act, two different types of offence. Plus if someone falls out in front of your car while drunk and you kill them there is no intent to wound or kill on your part so no charge would be brought. Technically the offence would be committed in the eyes of the law by the person you killed.

what? You are kidding? :eek:
If you kill someone using a car you are committing an offence

bigpink · 09-11-2010 11:11AM

angelfire9 wrote: »

Actually it would be Dangerous Driving Causing Death

God you nit pick on such a serious crime:(

Raiser · 09-11-2010 11:12AM

wildlifeboy wrote: »

If I am driving home on a saturday night and someone drunk falls out in front of me and i kill them should i get twenty years for manslaughter?. I am not defending the terms they got but you cant just dole out 20 - 30 years for manslaughter. their previous convictions should have come into play here and added on to the manslaughter charge.

bigpink wrote: »

That would be an accident....these guys attacked this man

angelfire9 wrote: »

Actually it would be Dangerous Driving Causing Death

It would be ruled as an unfortunate accident unless the Driver was found to have been driving without due care and consideration.

- The above is based on the sensible assumption that he doesn't just observe the Drunk falling on the Street and swerve to try and hit them.

(FFS?)

HarryPotter41 · 09-11-2010 11:13AM

angelfire9 wrote: »

what? You are kidding? :eek:
If you kill someone using a car you are committing an offence

If they fall out onto the road in front of you while drunk you have committed no offence, it was unavoidable. There is a section under the Road Traffic Act called endangering traffic with reference to intoxicated members of the public on the public road. If somebody falls in front of you how are you committing an offence, its a complete accident.

HarryPotter41 · 09-11-2010 11:15AM

angelfire9 wrote: »

Actually it would be Dangerous Driving Causing Death

Dangerous Driving means driving without due care and attention or deliberately driving in such as manner as the be a danger to the public and other road users. I drive along within the speed limit and a drunk falls onto the road and I hit him. Tell me where there is Dangerous Driving involved there?

Vehicular manslaughter is rare and only applies where the actions of the driver were such that their actions were directly responsible for the death of someone, very difficult to prove and therefore very rarely used. Kicking someone on the street after you punch them and knock them down, a hell of a lot clearer.

bigpink · 09-11-2010 11:15AM

Please keep this on the topic of the murder of Brian Casey

angelfire9 · 09-11-2010 11:15AM

HarryPotter41 wrote: »

If they fall out onto the road in front of you while drunk you have committed no offence, it was unavoidable. There is a section under the Road Traffic Act called endangering traffic with reference to intoxicated members of the public on the public road. If somebody falls in front of you how are you committing an offence, its a complete accident.

I'd like to see you trying to use that defence in court
"Sorry judge he fell in front of me and I couldn't stop on time and ran over him"

If you can't stop on time you are either speeding or driving without due care & attention or dangerous driving
If you kill someone in your car you are guilty of an offence its not unavoidable

HarryPotter41 · 09-11-2010 11:18AM

angelfire9 wrote: »

I'd like to see you trying to use that defence in court
"Sorry judge he fell in front of me and I couldn't stop on time and ran over him"

If you can't stop on time you are either speeding or driving without due care & attention or dangerous driving
If you kill someone in your car you are guilty of an offence its not unavoidable

You wouldn't end up in court. If I kick someone in the head on the ground, just throw away the key.

angelfire9 · 09-11-2010 11:22AM

HarryPotter41 wrote: »

Vehicular manslaughter is rare and only applies where the actions of the driver were such that their actions were directly responsible for the death of someone, very difficult to prove and therefore very rarely used. Kicking someone on the street after you punch them and knock them down, a hell of a lot clearer.

As a matter of interest there is no offence of "vehicular manslaughter" in Ireland

As for the case at hand, not everyone who assaults another party even including the kicking them on the ground part ends up with a manslaughter conviction

This case is tragic and in no way am I trying to justify the sentence imposed but baying for the blood of the Dinan's is not going to help anyone and while I have the utmost sympathy for the Casey family 5 years is an average sentence for manslaughter in Ireland unfortunately

Sofa King Great · 09-11-2010 11:22AM

bigpink wrote: »

Please keep this on the topic of the murder of Brian Casey

The courts have ruled that it was not murder.

HarryPotter41 · 09-11-2010 11:25AM

angelfire9 wrote: »

As a matter of interest there is no offence of "vehicular manslaughter" in Ireland

As for the case at hand, not everyone who assaults another party even including the kicking them on the ground part ends up with a manslaughter conviction

This case is tragic and in no way am I trying to justify the sentence imposed but baying for the blood of the Dinan's is not going to help anyone and while I have the utmost sympathy for the Casey family 5 years is an average sentence for manslaughter in Ireland unfortunately

It is covered by Dangerous Driving causing death and carries the same penalty as manslaughter.

So we should feel no outrage or hatred towards people who wilfully break the law and get tr so they can kill someone?

Wibbs · 09-11-2010 11:31AM

angelfire9 wrote: »

what? You are kidding? :eek:
If you kill someone using a car you are committing an offence

Seriously now c'mon. Engage the grey matter here. How is that within an arses roar of the crime these two were charged and convicted of? Christ the comparison beggars belief. *shakes head*. Let's stretch it out a bit. Lets say I get pissed outa my head and run someone down and kill them. I will be charged and damn right too. I may even get a custodial sentence and again rightly so. However, while my gross stupidity in such a circumstance results in the death of another, I am not deliberately engaging with another person with the intent to cause violence. The only way you could compare this is if while driving I saw someone I didn't like the look of and mounted the kerb to run them down.

If you can't stop on time you are either speeding or driving without due care & attention or dangerous driving
If you kill someone in your car you are guilty of an offence its not unavoidable

Jesus. Look no matter how safe a driver you are, there are unforeseen circumstances where you can lose control of a vehicle. Of course you should always drive with "due care and attention" so you may be able to stop in time to avoid an accident. Great in theory, real life is different and not nearly so black and white. IE Driving on an A road under the speed limit of 100 kph(say 80kph) in the countryside on a clear dry day. Child runs out from a roadside house. I hate to break it to you, you will not be able to stop in time. Not unless you can break the laws of physics. IMHO this notion spouted by many, is nearly as bad as muppet drivers. Both think they're in more control of a dangerous object than they actually are.

Like I said comparing a RTA where someone dies and a violent sustained attack by two violent career criminals that results in the death of an innocent and valuable member of society requires a new definition of daft.

bonerm · 09-11-2010 11:34AM

I'd bring back the death penalty just to see Mr.64 crying for his mum as the rope is put around his neck.

c_man · 09-11-2010 11:38AM

Our "justice" system in this country is a complete joke.

Raiser · 09-11-2010 11:39AM

angelfire9 wrote: »

I'd like to see you trying to use that defence in court
"Sorry judge he fell in front of me and I couldn't stop on time and ran over him"

If you can't stop on time you are either speeding or driving without due care & attention or dangerous driving
If you kill someone in your car you are guilty of an offence its not unavoidable

You are being utterly and completely ridiculous - If a School Child runs out in front of your Car suddenly and unexpectedly later today and you immediately apply the brakes then you have a stopping distance and time relative to:

1. Your reaction time as an average Human Being.
2. Road surface and conditions - ie. loose gravel, leaves.
3. Weather conditions - ie. wet or dry.
4. The size and weight of your Vehicle.

- Do you honestly believe that 1.5 tonnes of metal travelling at 80 kms per hour can be absolutely and instantly stopped on a point of principle?

angelfire9 wrote: »

As a matter of interest there is no offence of "vehicular manslaughter" in Ireland

As for the case at hand, not everyone who assaults another party even including the kicking them on the ground part ends up with a manslaughter conviction

This case is tragic and in no way am I trying to justify the sentence imposed but baying for the blood of the Dinan's is not going to help anyone and while I have the utmost sympathy for the Casey family 5 years is an average sentence for manslaughter in Ireland unfortunately

When can Society have a reasonable expectation that Scum like this get dealt with?

- Do we have to wait until they rack up 128 convictions? These sad Cnuts should be breaking rocks in a Quarry for 15 years and not hanging around Mountjoy playing Snooker, Xbox games and hiding drugs/phones in each others arséholes.

Mr McBoatface · 09-11-2010 11:39AM

This entire story is just sickening, the sentences passed down are a joke.

My aunt a pensioner in her 70's was attacked two weeks ago after withdrawing money from her bank. I have just received a phone call that she has passed away, I have no doubt in my mind her assault lead to her death.... she was perfectly healthy prior to the attack. Should the c*nts who attacked her be caught they will more than likely get an assault charge if even that.

In my mind what happened to the teacher and what happened to my aunt is murder. You can call it manslaughter, murder, assault or what ever you like, but the scum who comment these crimes against good innocent people deserve more than 5 years in prison.

This case like many other leaves me with a sense of anger and despair that's kinda hard to put into words... I've little faith that the legal system will dispense justice for my Aunt.

HarryPotter41 · 09-11-2010 11:44AM

jobyrne30 wrote: »

This entire story is just sickening, the sentences passed down are a joke.

My aunt a pensioner in her 70's was attacked two weeks ago after withdrawing money from her bank. I have just received a phone call that she has passed away, I have no doubt in my mind her assault lead to her death.... she was perfectly healthy prior to the attack. Should the c*nts who attacked her be caught they will more than likely get an assault charge if even that.

In my mind it's what happened to the teacher and what happened to my aunt is murder. You can call it manslaughter, murder, assault or what ever you like, but the scum who comment these crime against good innocent people deserve more than 5 years in prison.

This case like many other leaves me with a sense of anger and despair that's kinda hard to put into words... I've little faith that the legal system will dispense justice for Aunt.

My sympathies, horrible case, and sadly you are quite right, they will get an assault charge and most likely a light sentence and soon be free to do the same again.

Teacher murdered on night out...sentences of 5 and 4 years

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