From the geniuses that brought you last weeks riots!

Don Juan DeMagoo · 10-11-2010 02:13AM

Local-womanizer wrote: »

About the action towards the group sitting down, they were obstructing the road,were asked to move on and failed to do so,therefore the Gardai were well within their rights to take action.Any after a few slaps officers were snatching those they thought as ring leaders,a very selective and non-brutal method of dealing with the situation if you ask me.

And as already pointed out,when you try to breach a line of public order officers who have big sticks,what do you expect to happen?!

Eh well dawg darn it, obstructing the road you say. Would you fancy that, at a mass rally no less!!! Were you late home for supper.
How do people like you (I am sure you are a lovely person and all), expect to see any change in this country. Ring Joe Duffy??

I didn't see a lot of breaching there buddy, are you sure you didn't accidentally sit on the sky remote and watch the storming of the Bastille on the History channel.

So yeah I would expect those fine upstanding gentlemen and ladies holding the damn large batons, to have properly assessed the situation and realize that with the exception of a couple of troublemakers... the majority of them were kids and only there to be seen.

I can only surmise the team talk before the "public crowd control unit" came out was, "CREAM THEM!"

Thankfully Irish people are too sheepish to react, had it happened anywhere else in Europe there would have been a serious flipping riot.

The fuzz had an awful long time to prepare for any form of riots/protests with the upcoming budget cuts/tax hikes.
A blind monkey facing the wrong way could have seen at least one if not two years ago that there would be some form of civil unrest.

After watching these videos I do not think the Keepers of The Peace overall general plan is to manage the crowds, more like batter the crowds.

I do not see that as an acceptable plan, they are the ones supposedly in charge of the crowd! Well it doesn't look like it from here, maybe better equiped thugs.

And Finally!
Why in gods name in Ireland before any proper research/analysis is undertaken, do people in their hundreds flood the airwaves supporting the authorities.
It sickens me sometimes how sheepish the majority of my countrymen and women are. "Rebels My Arse", should be our new logo.

Rant complete.....
System shutting down....

God that feels good

Local-womanizer · 10-11-2010 02:16AM

scientific1982 wrote: »

So its a matter of guilty till proven innocent. The gardai thought a small minority might start throwing things heavier than a plastic bottle so lets rush in and batter the **** out of them. I dont agree with the idiots throwing bottles either, its counterproductive. However, id say most were there to march peacefully.

No see,the legality of attacking a Guard those not hinge on the weight of the object used,so in this case it was a matter of Guilty because I just watched you fire that bottle at me so therefore we will react to diffuse the situation.

And I believe the situation was diffused,they challenged the POU,the POU responded,andthosel involved realised that we wont get any where if we continue to along the path we are going now,I might as well go home before I get a baton to the head.

The Gardai only took action after a sustained period of missiles being thrown at them,and they were very controlled in their action considering what they faced.

Edit: Just to Address DeMagoo: did you watch the video of the protest from Merrion street? Hardly a hit anyone near policy being employed by the POU.

And yes,people were there to be seen,it was a day out for them. Loads from my local college were down. But guess what they did when the situation started to get tense? They left,they simply walked the other way,they did not engage the POU in any way whatsoever,and guess the amount of trouble they got from the Gardai,none.

You seem to think that obstructing a road is ok,that it might not seem like the worst crime on the go. It isnt,but they clear the road in the hope of dispersing the angry crowd present so the situation does not escalate to something far worse were someone gets seriously hurt or killed.

The majority of students present on the day had no negative experiance involving the Gardai,yet this is not highlighted.

Terry · 10-11-2010 02:22AM

Dwaegon wrote: »

I'm fairly confident that: 1. Most college students are not teenagers, and 2. People over 18 are adults. It wasn't transition year students out on the streets, it was adults who are attending 3rd level education.

You seem to be implying that a protest is only a protest when tempers flare. I believe you may be thinking of a riot.

Turning 18 might make you an adult in the eyes of the law, but it does not make you wise.
Being in third level education does not give you wisdom. It just gives you a higher level of education.
Education does not stop you from being a complete and utter dick.

Don Juan DeMagoo wrote: »

Eh well dawg darn it, obstructing the road you say. Would you fancy that, at a mass rally no less!!! Were you late home for supper.
How do people like you (I am sure you are a lovely person and all), expect to see any change in this country. Ring Joe Duffy??

I didn't see a lot of breaching there buddy, are you sure you didn't accidentally sit on the sky remote and watch the storming of the Bastille on the History channel.

So yeah I would expect those fine upstanding gentlemen and ladies holding the damn large batons, to have properly assessed the situation and realize that with the exception of a couple of troublemakers... the majority of them were kids and only there to be seen.

I can only surmise the team talk before the "public crowd control unit" came out was, "CREAM THEM!"

Thankfully Irish people are too sheepish to react, had it happened anywhere else in Europe there would have been a serious flipping riot.

The fuzz had an awful long time to prepare for any form of riots/protests with the upcoming budget cuts/tax hikes.
A blind monkey facing the wrong way could have seen at least one if not two years ago that there would be some form of civil unrest.

After watching these videos I do not think the Keepers of The Peace overall general plan is to manage the crowds, more like batter the crowds.

I do not see that as an acceptable plan, they are the ones supposedly in charge of the crowd! Well it doesn't look like it from here, maybe better equiped thugs.

And Finally!
Why in gods name in Ireland before any proper research/analysis is undertaken, do people in their hundreds flood the airwaves supporting the authorities.
It sickens me sometimes how sheepish the majority of my countrymen and women are. "Rebels My Arse", should be our new logo.

Rant complete.....
System shutting down....

God that feels good

You don't need to be violent when you are protesting. Being peaceful garners more respect, and protests are about gaining respect.

Want to be a rebel?
Don't listen to your parents when they tell you to vote FF.

scientific1982 · 10-11-2010 02:26AM

Dwaegon wrote: »

I'm fairly confident that: 1. Most college students are not teenagers, and 2. People over 18 are adults. It wasn't transition year students out on the streets, it was adults who are attending 3rd level education.

You seem to be implying that a protest is only a protest when tempers flare. I believe you may be thinking of a riot.

They looked fairly young and scrawny to me, especially in contrast to the Gardai. And yeah 18 is considered an adult in Ireland but I wouldnt view an 18 year old and a 27 or 28 year old in the same light. And yes their will likely be riots in the near future, if thats how gardai respond to plastic bottles it'll be interesting to see the response heavier projectiles.

Local-womanizer · 10-11-2010 02:29AM

scientific1982 wrote: »

I wouldnt view an 18 year old and a 27 or 28 year old in the same light. And yes their will likely be riots in the near future, if thats how gardai respond to plastic bottles it'll be interesting to see the response heavier projectiles.

The law does see view them in the same light,and that is whats important.

And in future,if heavier objects are used,it will be met with an equal or heavier response from the POU and rightly so.

Sharkey 10 · 10-11-2010 02:32AM

Local-womanizer wrote: »

The law does see view them in the same light,and that is whats important.

And in future,if heavier objects are used,it will be met with an equal or heavier response from the POU and rightly so.

What is the pou?

Local-womanizer · 10-11-2010 02:37AM

Sharkey 10 wrote: »

What is the pou?

Public Order Unit aka Riot police or aka as by some as the Gestapo :rolleyes:

scientific1982 · 10-11-2010 02:38AM

Local-womanizer wrote: »

The law does see view them in the same light,and that is whats important.

And in future,if heavier objects are used,it will be met with an equal or heavier response from the POU and rightly so.

Fair enough mate. We come from different planets. I think getting your head bust for throwing a plastic bottle is a bit extreme, especially if you might not have been the one throwing the bottle. Ive seen footage of the P.S.N.I in the summer dealing with more serious protesters and they were like lambs compared to the gardai.

Local-womanizer · 10-11-2010 02:42AM

scientific1982 wrote: »

Fair enough mate. We come from different planets. I think getting your head bust for throwing a plastic bottle is a bit extreme, especially if you might not have been the one throwing the bottle. Ive seen footage of the P.S.N.I in the summer dealing with more serious protesters and they were like lambs compared to the gardai.

In an isolated situation it is. But in this kind of situation,if you show them that you are serious,they will be unwilling to carry on with their actions. Unfortunate if someone gets hit and they didnt throw a bottle,but they took the decision to mix with the kind of people who are throwing bottles,and as a result they should accept the reprecussions.

scientific1982 · 10-11-2010 02:42AM

then those people should've got out of the way!

Have you ever been at the front of the stage at a concert. Try running in the opposite direction of the stage. Masses of people tend to slow down your pace.

Sharkey 10 · 10-11-2010 02:44AM

scientific1982 wrote: »

Fair enough mate. We come from different planets. I think getting your head bust for throwing a plastic bottle is a bit extreme, especially if you might not have been the one throwing the bottle. Ive seen footage of the P.S.N.I in the summer dealing with more serious protesters and they were like lambs compared to the gardai.

on that point i have seen the psni deal with riots and parades very well , I mentioned this to a friend the evening of the student protest i often see it with the continental police also , they seem to be able to block and cordon off a lot more effectively . They dont look amateurs by punching and shoving protesters. They seem to soak up most of the barrage and diffuse a lot better especially at football matches

Don Juan DeMagoo · 10-11-2010 03:00AM

Terry wrote: »

You don't need to be violent when you are protesting. Being peaceful garners more respect, and protests are about gaining respect.

Want to be a rebel?
Don't listen to your parents when they tell you to vote FF.

I am saying nothing about condoning Violent protests.

What I am saying is that it is for me personally, I find it shocking to see that this is the reaction of our law enforcement has to a group of youngsters using their democratic voice, which is their RIGHT.

You don't have to be a brain scientist to see that any protest will have a few people who will attempt to use a protest for their own submissive means.

Are you telling me if the fuzz aren't able to deal with a few subversives without rolling through with batons. No my friend that seemed a bit orchestrated and rehearsed. Which does not bode well for future protests.

Of course no garda should have to deal with flying objects, but if they were so worried about the crowd, why didn't they erect barricades in front of the dof, like they do in most countries, considering this was a PRE-ARRANGED RALLY/PROTEST.

PS; My parents and grandparents tell me to vote FG...... I myself see damn all of a difference between FF and FG. The political system in Ireland has to change soon.

marglin · 10-11-2010 03:03AM

look i was in the dept that day, none of the protesters got violent to get in, it was simply a surge of people, most of the objects thrown were eggs, aimed at the building, now before anyone gets started the idiots who aimed anything at the guards themselves are just that.

It wasnt meant to be completely peaceful granted, (nor violent), we willingly broke the law(by entering the building) to make a point. Another protest would've gone pretty much unnoticed, the 'riots' made bbc and some other international outlets. The whole point was that by provoking the guards to do something we would garner attention to the anger that definitely exists in this country.

Having said that some of the gardai's actions were a bit heavy handed, i mean there was people knocked out and burst open ffs. And i say some because most of them carried out their duty well, this quarrel should have nothing to do with the guards it's do with this government. The guards are there to maintain order but if we make it clear there wont be order until FF fall they will be under enormous pressure to go.

Whoever gave the go ahead to charge the horses though should be sacked, the POU were doing fine, those horses could way too easily have killed someone. If this is how they plan on reacting there will be extreme violence come the budget protests(which will be supported by almost everyone). I'm not saying cuts and tax hikes arent inevitable but the fu.ckers who made it so should not be in charge of how its fixed. It'd be like having the man who fatally stabbed you promise he'll give you the best medical attention.

At the end of the day we were all pawns last week, the king needs to go. I sincerely hope there wont be any repeats of last week but imo its inevitable. You simply cant screw a people this badly this long without getting a vicious virus. Well its here its aggressive, its angry, I know the cops are just doing their jobs but maybe if we had a blue flu to go with a protest the scum on kildare st would have no choice but to pack their bags and await the trial that by right they should be put on. They're only holding on to power by refusing to hold bye elections. I dont know about anybody else but that strikes me as way too dictatorial for my liking.

Yes the scenes last week were a disgrace, but lets be honest it was on both sides. Like I said before, merely pawns, we should stop pointing the finger at each other but squarely at anglo et al and this FF govt which we now know knew more than they were letting on.

Lily10 · 10-11-2010 07:42AM

bonerm wrote: »

Plus I detected a few "common" accents amonst the agitators. I hope they aren't encouraging riff-raff into higher education these days?

Ah yes, the common people, how dare they get an education!

irelandrover · 10-11-2010 08:43AM

marglin wrote: »

look i was in the dept that day, none of the protesters got violent to get in, it was simply a surge of people, most of the objects thrown were eggs, aimed at the building, now before anyone gets started the idiots who aimed anything at the guards themselves are just that.

It wasnt meant to be completely peaceful granted, (nor violent), we willingly broke the law(by entering the building) to make a point. Another protest would've gone pretty much unnoticed, the 'riots' made bbc and some other international outlets. The whole point was that by provoking the guards to do something we would garner attention to the anger that definitely exists in this country.

Having said that some of the gardai's actions were a bit heavy handed, i mean there was people knocked out and burst open ffs. And i say some because most of them carried out their duty well, this quarrel should have nothing to do with the guards it's do with this government. The guards are there to maintain order but if we make it clear there wont be order until FF fall they will be under enormous pressure to go.

Whoever gave the go ahead to charge the horses though should be sacked, the POU were doing fine, those horses could way too easily have killed someone. If this is how they plan on reacting there will be extreme violence come the budget protests(which will be supported by almost everyone). I'm not saying cuts and tax hikes arent inevitable but the fu.ckers who made it so should not be in charge of how its fixed. It'd be like having the man who fatally stabbed you promise he'll give you the best medical attention.

My question would be what do you expect when a large group of people charges at riot police.
If the parts in bold were indeed the aim of the protest then every slap to the head was well deserved. You deliberately provoked the poloce to the point where they had to act and are now complaining when they did.

Gary4279 · 10-11-2010 09:10AM

Brendog wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPnoAY1wXfI

06.15, batton charge for no reason what so ever.

IngazZagni · 10-11-2010 09:40AM

Gary4279 wrote: »

06.15, batton charge for no reason what so ever.

Eh there was a good reason, the protest was over and these ejets decide to hang around provoking the Guards. The streets where suppose to be open to traffic at this stage but they weren't because "they where rebels man standing up to the authority!" Oh shut up you're just idiots who ruined the message of the protest and instead put the spotlight on the altercations while causing tens of thousands of euro of extra tax payers money in the clean-up effort afterwards. Well done lads!

ch750536 · 10-11-2010 10:39AM

Right now we need to protest about anything. This is a republic, the people in the Dail work for us. We are nobodys subjects and no one person is above another. The government are employed by us to run the country the way we want it to be run, no secrets, no lies.
There are 4 things to me that are very important in a country, freedom, liberty, democracy and justice, lets take a look at them.

Democracy. The current government is completely undemocratic. How can they justify the situation in Donegal? Sure, they are not breaking any rules but right now we have a government in power that possibly shouldn't be. Right now we have people unrepresented simply because the leading party does not want to lose control. Not their choice, our choice. We want democracy, lets protest and tell them that.

Liberty. This is actually doing really well in Ireland lately, much better than 20 years ago.

Justice. There is definitely on law for the rich and one for the poor. How can the banking system be so corrupt and yet nobody goes to prison? There are people who not only made poor decisions but behaved illegally, not one of these has seen any time behind bars, why? Most politicians work for banks once they retire from politics, who would bite the hand that feeds... This is also the reason Ireland bailed the banks out.

Freedom. On paper it is a really free country, in practice so many people actually take their own freedoms away, which is really odd. We have the right to protest within the law and we have the right to storm the Dail en-masse outside the law, it is, after all, our country. So many people I talk to simply wouldn't protest as they consider it being either pointless, too much work, not needed or unlawful. Point is that if you don't tell the government enough is enough then they will continue taking the piss till it is too late, then what can you do?

We are at a point where we are going to lose a hell of a lot if we do nothing. All I want to see is that it is fair. I don't want the family down the road where they both lost their job to lose their dole money when the investers in the banks lose nothing at all due to our tax money propping them up! I want to see fairness in the coming year, we have not had it yet.

Maybe you don't agree with a protest against 'this' or 'that'. The last thing you should do is rubbish the good work they do, one day you may need them to stand by your side.

Enjoy the protests, may they be common and well supported.

Don Juan DeMagoo · 10-11-2010 10:53AM

IngazZagni wrote: »

Eh there was a good reason, the protest was over and these ejets decide to hang around provoking the Guards. The streets where suppose to be open to traffic at this stage but they weren't because "they where rebels man standing up to the authority!" Oh shut up you're just idiots who ruined the message of the protest and instead put the spotlight on the altercations while causing tens of thousands of euro of extra tax payers money in the clean-up effort afterwards. Well done lads!

Oh so in Ireland now there are time slots for people to have aired their grievances by. How great! No wonder no one listens... "never mind lads the riff raff will be gone by six"

Well tickle me with a feather there Richard but are riot police not supposed to be able to take a bit of crowd provocation.
Did you see how the french police dealt in the early stages with the crowds, they waited and waited until finally THEIR HEAD OF STATE gave them orders to move and disperse the crowds. Hey buddy refresh my memory how long did they wait for???

Tens of thousands of euros of damage...... tut tut, but sure it was probably an Irish company who did the clean, hence the expense of it. Anyway how does that equate to tens of billions (if not more) of euro of damage done to my country. If you have a problem with citizens raising their concerns, flip off to north korea. I heard they have no protests there..... or recession for that matter.

IngazZagni wrote: »

"they where rebels man standing up to the authority!" Oh shut up you're just idiots who ruined the message of the protest and instead put the spotlight on the altercations

Do you think it is wrong to question authority and to protest if a society is being abused so a point where we may lose our financial sovereignty??

People like you give a silent vote of confidence to this government every time.

Here sheepy sheepy sheepy. Now do what your told and above all swallow all that we give you because we know what we are doing....

I strongly disagree with violent protest, but deny any one of my fellow countrymen or women the platform to protest or try and forcibly remove them from where they were supposed to protest because of "time restraints", physically repulses me.

AudreyHepburn · 10-11-2010 11:10AM

Oh my god people will protest over anything these days :rolleyes:

Do people here honestly think the Gardai should stand idly by while buildings are being illegally stormed, objects are being hurled them, people insulting and attempting to provoke them and terrifying their horses putting them and everyone else in danger if the horses reared up or tried to bolt?

Because you do realise if they did that you'd all be on your high horses about what cowards and lazy buggers they are don't you?

And attempting to prevent democracy, give me a break! They were doing only what they are trained for, attempting to control violence and protect and defend themselves. The protesters came out looking for trouble and they got it.

Please stop jumping on the the-gardai-violent-idiotic-thugs bandwagon folks and actually come up with your own opinions.

Humans eh! · 10-11-2010 11:49AM

Don Juan DeMagoo wrote: »

People like you give a silent vote of confidence to this government every time.

Here sheepy sheepy sheepy. Now do what your told and above all swallow all that we give you because we know what we are doing....

I strongly disagree with violent protest, but deny any one of my fellow countrymen or women the platform to protest or try and forcibly remove them from where they were supposed to protest because of "time restraints", physically repulses me.

Well said Don Juan, the silent votes of the complacent, who moan but don't act are what has brought us to this economic and social armageddon.

Don Juan DeMagoo · 10-11-2010 12:38PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Oh my god people will protest over anything these days :rolleyes:

Do people here honestly think the Gardai should stand idly by while buildings are being illegally stormed

Nope they should have been prepared Einstein!
Answer me this, what building in the capital will be the focus of all protests regarding the upcoming budget? Answer is the department of Finance.
Should they have erected barriers considering the had over a week to prepare for it.... Yes

Should they have made a buffer zones (using water canons) between the police and crowds....Yes

Did they research into how other countries handle this.... Doubt it
Did they do any of this.... Nope

Why ..... stubbornness.... ineptitude.... arraogance????

There will be plenty more protests to come.... Is this the way you want your police force to react to every protest???

I have not a vendetta against the Gardai, I simply wish they would act more professionally is all..... I suppose that makes me some agitator of the peace does it you award winning pillock:p

And it is every persons constitutional right to have a voice and be heard, so yes they will protest until they are heard.

Some day even the gardai might be protesting, if so I am putting the students on riot police duty:D

PS: I wouldn't worry about the horses mate, as they are well trained and won't bolt and unlike other horses these are trained to actually go for people whereas other horses would look for a way round.

These are my opinions and as such are open to debate

Mod note Poster banned for this post.

AudreyHepburn · 10-11-2010 01:03PM

Don Juan DeMagoo wrote: »

Nope they should have been prepared Einstein!

Answer me this, what building in the capital will be the focus of all protests regarding the upcoming budget? Answer is the department of Finance.
Should they have erected barriers considering the had over a week to prepare for it.... Yes

Should they have made a buffer zones (using water canons) between the police and crowds....Yes

Did they research into how other countries handle this.... Doubt it
Did they do any of this.... Nope

Why ..... stubbornness.... ineptitude.... arraogance????

There will be plenty more protests to come.... Is this the way you want your police force to react to every protest???

I have not a vendetta against the Gardai, I simply wish they would act more professionally is all..... I suppose that makes me some agitator of the peace does it you award winning pillock

And it is every persons constitutional right to have a voice and be heard, so yes they will protest until they are heard.

Some day even the gardai might be protesting, if so I am putting the students on riot police duty:D

PS: I wouldn't worry about the horses mate, as they are well trained and won't bolt and unlike other horses these are trained to actually go for people whereas other horses would look for a way round.

These are my opinions and as such are open to debate

If you wish to respond to me please do so in a less condscending and more mature manner without resorting to childish name calling and personal insult.

Reported.

Sharkey 10 · 10-11-2010 01:11PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

If you wish to respond to me please do so in a less condscending and more mature manner without resorting to childish name calling and personal insult.

Reported.

Your joking right?

Sharkey 10 · 10-11-2010 01:15PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Oh my god people will protest over anything these days :rolleyes:

Do people here honestly think the Gardai should stand idly by while buildings are being illegally stormed, objects are being hurled them, people insulting and attempting to provoke them and terrifying their horses putting them and everyone else in danger if the horses reared up or tried to bolt?

Because you do realise if they did that you'd all be on your high horses about what cowards and lazy buggers they are don't you?

And attempting to prevent democracy, give me a break! They were doing only what they are trained for, attempting to control violence and protect and defend themselves. The protesters came out looking for trouble and they got it.

Please stop jumping on the the-gardai-violent-idiotic-thugs bandwagon folks and actually come up with your own opinions.

No , they should shell that building . They shoud also have a warship down on the liffey just incase.

On a serious note, they should stand by unless the are stones or petrol bombs being throw.
Do you really think a police force should respond violently when the are being insulted and taunted?

AudreyHepburn · 10-11-2010 01:19PM

Sharkey 10 wrote: »

Your joking right?

Nope not at all.

AudreyHepburn · 10-11-2010 01:20PM

Sharkey 10 wrote: »

No , they should shell that building . They shoud also have a warship down on the liffey just incase.

They should stand by unless the are stones or petrol bombs being throw.
Do you really think a police force should respond violently when the are being insulted and taunted?

No but they have the right to defend themselves when the crowd gets violent as it did.

Don Juan DeMagoo · 10-11-2010 01:22PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

If you wish to respond to me please do so in a less condscending and more mature manner without resorting to childish name calling and personal insult.

Reported.

Apologies for any insult caused to you.

Turner · 10-11-2010 01:22PM

Gary4279 wrote: »

06.15, batton charge for no reason what so ever.

To clear a street following a earlier riot and to disperse the crowd and maintain public order.

God if they stood back and did nothing people would be giving out, especially the peaceful protesters on the day and business owners in the area.

jackiebaron · 10-11-2010 01:32PM

Local-womanizer wrote: »

About the action towards the group sitting down,they were obstructing the road,were asked to move on and failed to do so,therefore the Gardai were well within their rights to take action.Any after a few slaps officers were snatching those they thought as ring leaders,a very selective and non-brutal method of dealing with the situation if you ask me.

And as already pointed out,when you try to breach a line of public order officers who have big sticks,what do you expect to happen?!

If you give me a dirty look am I well within my rights to glass you in the face? I mean, what do you expect to happen?

From the geniuses that brought you last weeks riots!

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