Wearing of the Poppy! Should Irish citizens wear it?

uch · 08-11-2010 03:08PM

baltimore sun wrote: »

where can ya get green ones?

HERE

wolfpawnat · 08-11-2010 03:15PM

uch wrote: »

HERE

I would see the lily as Commemorating more than just that week, every man, woman and child that died for and in the freeing of Ireland irregardless of the date.

Personally I can understand the reasoning behind men going to WWI as part of the Allied Forces.

- It was a job. In a time rife with unemployment and a family to feed, men thought it was the right thing to do!

- We were told, the sooner the war is over, the sooner and more likely Irish freedom would happen!

Bottle_of_Smoke · 08-11-2010 03:16PM

Wolfe Tone · 08-11-2010 03:17PM

I would see the Lily as remembering republicans who have died fr the cause tbh.

BlitzKrieg · 08-11-2010 03:22PM

My name is URL wrote: »

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1326063/Jon-Snow-poppy-fascism-row-C4-News-host-refuses-surrender.html?ITO=1490

that reads like some sort of bizarre reversal of the white feather in world war 1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_feather

getz · 08-11-2010 03:27PM

My name is URL wrote: »

I don't see what you mean. Are you saying that everyone should be expected to wear a poppy?

Jon Snow is a newsreader on Channel 4.. interestingly enough his grandfather was a General in WWI.. Does the fact that he chooses not to wear a poppy mean that he is disrespectful? People can show respect in other ways than wearing a poxy plastic flower for a few weeks every year.

i would not be so quick as to make jon snow your hero,he was the one who introduced something on ireland as;leprechaun thinking;

stovelid · 08-11-2010 03:31PM

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

I would see the Lily as remembering republicans who have died fr the cause tbh.

Or indeed, everybody who has died for the Republican cause.

Even the ones that didn't actually elect to.

Aswerty · 08-11-2010 03:36PM

getz wrote: »

i would not be so quick as to make jon snow your hero,he was the one who introduced something on ireland as;leprechaun thinking;

Yeah but he has one bad ass dire wolf though.

My name is URL · 08-11-2010 03:36PM

getz wrote: »

i would not be so quick as to make jon snow your hero,he was the one who introduced something on ireland as;leprechaun thinking;

I wasn't trying to make him sound like a hero at all.. I was just giving his case as an example of the intolerant attitudes shown towards anyone in the public eye refusing to wear a poppy. I don't care if he mentioned leprechauns when referring to Ireland either.. my argument against the poppy is not a nationalistic one.

scientific1982 · 08-11-2010 03:46PM

d'Oracle wrote: »

Funny how close Poppy Day and Guy Fawkes day are......

Lets all get those v for vendetta masks and march to the Dail.

Wile E. Coyote · 08-11-2010 03:51PM

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

If you feel comfortable wearing a symbol which commemorates those who put down the 1916 rebels, participated in both bloody sundays, burned Cork and Balbriggan, engaged in unjustified wars in Afganistan/Iraq, invented concentration camps, and have murdered countless peoples all for a redundant imperialist vision

They weren't all bad then

LondonIrish90 · 08-11-2010 04:24PM

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

I would see the Lily as remembering republicans who have died fr the cause tbh.

exactly, thats the problem with symbols such as these. Something you are finding difficult to understand. To a nationalist such as yourself, the easter lily symbolises remembrance for those who died for independece, to people from another perspective, it is a symbol of Irish Republican terrorism. Issues such as this and the poppy are going to always evoke a wide range of emotions.

Your decision to wear the lily should be respected and not questioned, as should my or anyone elses choice to wear the poppy.

getz · 08-11-2010 04:44PM

Aswerty wrote: »

Yeah but he has one bad ass dire wolf though.

rides a bike to work because he says he doesent want any more pollution,then leaves his partner of 26 years and two children,to run off to fairyland and marry some bird he met,[hope he catches crabs]

steo87 · 08-11-2010 04:56PM

I am not a fan of the Poppy and don't think that Irish people should wear it. However, I respect people's right to wear it and to honour their family members etc who fought in the wars.

On Saturday I was working at the Celtic v Aberdeen game, and saw something that disgusted me. A section of the Celtic fans held up a giant banner regarding the Poppy: http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01159/footy-main_1159493a.jpg

Now, I see where they are coming from, and I completely understand what they mean, but I was disgusted in the sense that this type of banner/sentiment should have no place whatsoever in football.

That's not to label Celtic fans as bigots etc...the Aberdeen fans were just as bad. Upon noticing the banner, they hurled anti-Irish sentiments, such as "Fenian bastard", "mick cúnts", and "spud loving fúcks". Little did they know there was an Irish lad watching 'em:cool: haha

onedmc · 08-11-2010 05:05PM

steo87 wrote: »

I am not a fan of the Poppy and don't think that Irish people should wear it. However, I respect people's right to wear it and to honour their family members etc who fought in the wars.

I agree with this, I'll never wear one nor will any of my family.

But if a Family member died in WW1 then I dont see why they shouldn't wear one. In particular to commemorate the fact that thousands in not tens of thousands of irish were lead to their slaughter by their sovereign.

There was alot of Resentment as to how the irish were treated in the war and this cemented to need for independance in many.

orourkeda · 08-11-2010 05:21PM

Personally, I have absolutely with commemorating or honouring the people who have served and died at war.

However, I always feels that there's something unsettling about symbolising war.

orourkeda · 08-11-2010 05:25PM

onedmc wrote: »

I agree with this, I'll never wear one nor will any of my family.

But if a Family member died in WW1 then I dont see why they shouldn't wear one. In particular to commemorate the fact that thousands in not tens of thousands of irish were lead to their slaughter by their sovereign.

There was alot of Resentment as to how the irish were treated in the war and this cemented to need for independance in many.

What made it worse was that soldiers who left the south were told that fighting in the first world war would aid home rule and regiments from the north were told the opposite.

Fratton Fred · 08-11-2010 05:29PM

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

If you feel comfortable wearing a symbol which commemorates those who put down the 1916 rebels, participated in both bloody sundays, burned Cork and Balbriggan, engaged in unjustified wars in Afganistan/Iraq, invented concentration camps, and have murdered countless peoples all for a redundant imperialist vision(feel free to add to this list, there is plenty of material!), go for it. This commemorates the black and tans just as much as those who died at the Some.
Then there is the fact that this is a POLITICAL symbol. And the money raised goes towards a support system for soldiers. And they aint soldiers from WW1.

Says the man with a terrorist in his sig:rolleyes:

Gerry Asstrix · 08-11-2010 05:33PM

800 years of slavery, systematic destruction of our culture and they continue to deny our countrymen in the North freedom and sovereignty, not to mention that we have had over 30 odd years of death, violence and misery in the North because of their presence there, they tried everything but leave, and as a result all sides butchered and murdered each other.

Do the Brits really deserve us to wear their little red flower on our shirts, dont think so.

And yes Im anti-British , I think we have a right to be, if someone wears one thats their business, I wouldnt stop them

Fratton Fred · 08-11-2010 05:35PM

My name is URL wrote: »

It shouldn't be something that people are expected to partake in.. that's a million miles away from what it's supposed to represent. I don't think it's just the Irish who get worked up about it.. Jon Snow from Channel 4 news has never worn a poppy afaik, and each year is subjected to abuse for that fact

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1326063/Jon-Snow-poppy-fascism-row-C4-News-host-refuses-surrender.html?ITO=1490

People can just as easily respect the dead while at the same time not wearing a generic symbolic plastic flower to show others that they respect the dead.

Actually, I think you'll find Jon Snow does wear a poppy every year, what he refuses to do is start wearing one two weeks before remembrance day like some sort of fashion symbol.

That is a million miles from what you have stated,

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/846022-channel-4-news-presenter-jon-snow-in-new-poppy-fascism-row

Fratton Fred · 08-11-2010 05:44PM

steo87 wrote: »

I am not a fan of the Poppy and don't think that Irish people should wear it. However, I respect people's right to wear it and to honour their family members etc who fought in the wars.

On Saturday I was working at the Celtic v Aberdeen game, and saw something that disgusted me. A section of the Celtic fans held up a giant banner regarding the Poppy: http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01159/footy-main_1159493a.jpg

Now, I see where they are coming from, and I completely understand what they mean, but I was disgusted in the sense that this type of banner/sentiment should have no place whatsoever in football.

That's not to label Celtic fans as bigots etc...the Aberdeen fans were just as bad. Upon noticing the banner, they hurled anti-Irish sentiments, such as "Fenian bastard", "mick cúnts", and "spud loving fúcks". Little did they know there was an Irish lad watching 'em:cool: haha

And Celtic want to join the Premier League. I'd love to see the Green Brigade pull a stunt like that at Stamford bridge.

What I don't understand is if they hate the British so much, why those ****wits support a British team? why don't they **** off back to Ireland and take over a club there.

Rebelheart · 08-11-2010 05:46PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

And Celtic want to join the Premier League. I'd love to see the Green Brigade pull a stunt like that at Stamford bridge.

What I don't understand is if they hate the British so much, why those ****wits support a British team? why don't they **** off back to Ireland and take over a club there.

Nice equation of Britishness and commemorating people who fought for British imperialism. If you don't support poppy day fascism, you are not really "British". Well done.

Fratton Fred wrote: »

That is a million miles from what you have stated

What's that in real measurements? These imperial measurements are quite quaint.

Wolfe Tone · 08-11-2010 05:48PM

LondonIrish90 wrote: »

exactly, thats the problem with symbols such as these. Something you are finding difficult to understand. To a nationalist such as yourself, the easter lily symbolises remembrance for those who died for independece, to people from another perspective, it is a symbol of Irish Republican terrorism. Issues such as this and the poppy are going to always evoke a wide range of emotions.

Your decision to wear the lily should be respected and not questioned, as should my or anyone elses choice to wear the poppy.

I dont wear a Lily.

Rebelheart · 08-11-2010 05:48PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Says the man with a terrorist in his sig:rolleyes:

Says the British guy who spends half his life on an Irish forum defending British imperialism. The irony.

Wolfe Tone · 08-11-2010 05:49PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Says the man with a terrorist in his sig:rolleyes:

Is that the best you can do?

previous user · 08-11-2010 05:51PM

I'd wear a poppy with a harp on it.

Fratton Fred · 08-11-2010 05:52PM

Rebelheart wrote: »

Nice equation of Britishness and commemorating people who fought for British imperialism. If you don't support poppy day fascism, you are not really "British". Well done.

it has nothing to do with poppy day fascism and you know it, it is the green brigade's anti Britishness being demonstrated.

Rebelheart wrote: »

What's that in real measurements? These imperial measurements are quite quaint.

Real? what you mean French measurements (Didn't they have an empire and are therefore a bunch of imperial bastards as well?)

fair enough, it's 1,609,344 kilometers from what URL posted (That really doesn't have the same to do it does it?

eth0_ · 08-11-2010 05:53PM

baldbear wrote: »

Big Mary wasn't wearing one i think??.
It's a fashion accessory on British tv that people put on without thinking .
Personally i'd wear the Nazi symbol for all those brave SS troops who died.

:rolleyes: You are an extremely ignorant person.

Fratton Fred · 08-11-2010 05:53PM

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Is that the best you can do?

what do you mean? do you want to meet up outside for a fight or something?:p

who the fug · 08-11-2010 05:58PM

Dumb idea

There is no right or wrong answer, just what works for you.

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Wearing of the Poppy! Should Irish citizens wear it?

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