Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

Wearing of the Poppy! Should Irish citizens wear it?

24567…22

Comments

  • #32
    KeithAFC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    Depends how you look at it. If Irish people who wear it want to remember the Irish dead who lost their lives in WW1 and so on, fair play.


  • #33
    wolfpawnat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭wolfpawnat


    scientific1982 wrote: »
    Id consider myself a nationalist but I dont see why not considering the thousands of brave Irishmen who died.

    What people do not realise is that is the basis of the Easter Lily. Everyone thinks it is a Republican symbol, but it is a lot more. It was created by a mother who lost both of her sons for Ireland. She had no political reasons behind it and it was not meant to be taken by just one group!


  • #34
    Quazzie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,743 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie


    I was watching the F1 on BBC yesterday and I spotted that all the presenters were wearing the poppies with one exception - Eddie Jordan.


  • #35
    The Rook
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 437 ✭✭The Rook


    wolfpawnat wrote: »
    I am a diagnosed dyslexic, what's their excuse!

    Does dyslexia include not knowing the difference between an exclamation mark and a question mark?


  • #36
    COYW
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,930 ✭✭✭COYW


    wolfpawnat wrote: »
    We are not "essentially British" we have been have different for centuries. We are similar.

    Firstly, I dont have a problem with the poppy but I dont wear one myself. I was in London last week and was really suprised by the lack of visibility of it on the streets of London. I know some people who serve in the army and they dont wear one.

    However, we are a mirror image of the british people and are becoming more alike as time passes. We really dont differ in terms of language, culture, food, entertainment (incl. sport), shopping.

    I go to the UK a lot and think the british people are really friendly and love going there.


  • Advertisement
  • #37
    Dozen Wicked Words
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,325 ✭✭✭✭Dozen Wicked Words


    English, Irish, whoever, shouldn't wear a poppy if they don't want to, and should be allowed to make their own choice. There is definite pressure on everyone to wear a poppy in the UK media if you are on television, this is for all nationalities, not just Irish, but if you are walking down the street without a poppy in England no one is going to bat an eyelid. Not a big deal either way.

    See you all next year for some more of the same.


  • #38
    KeithAFC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    COYW wrote: »
    Firstly, I dont have a problem with the poppy but I dont wear one myself. I was in London last week and was really suprised by the lack of visibility of it on the streets of London. I know some people who serve in the army and they dont wear them.

    However, we are a mirror image of the british people and are becoming more alike as time passes. We really dont differ in terms of language, culture, food, entertainment (incl. sport), shopping.
    Not true. Gerry adams says differently. He even talks in the Irish language to prove the point.


  • #39
    wolfpawnat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭wolfpawnat


    The Rook wrote: »
    Does dyslexia include not knowing the difference between an exclamation mark and a question mark?

    I am aware, I am merely emphasizing the statement :D


  • #40
    Dozen Wicked Words
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,325 ✭✭✭✭Dozen Wicked Words


    Quazzie wrote: »
    I was watching the F1 on BBC yesterday and I spotted that all the presenters were wearing the poppies with one exception - Eddie Jordan.

    He had one on, a tiny little pin badge one.


  • #41
    getz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭getz


    COYW wrote: »
    Firstly, I dont have a problem with the poppy but I dont wear one myself. I was in London last week and was really suprised by the lack of visibility of it on the streets of London. I know some people who serve in the army and they dont wear one.

    However, we are a mirror image of the british people and are becoming more alike as time passes. We really dont differ in terms of language, culture, food, entertainment (incl. sport), shopping.

    I go to the UK a lot and think the british people are really friendly and love going there.
    and we love you as well,some irish people go to england to find their irish culture,how about a green poppy ?


  • Advertisement
  • #42
    wolfpawnat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭wolfpawnat


    getz wrote: »
    and we love you as well,some irish people go to england to find their irish culture,how about a green poppy ?

    Thats what I am saying, Irish people died in that war, I want to show my respect, but I am NOT wearing that red one!

    A green one, or a white one, hell even a tri-coloured one!


  • #43
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,320 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Quazzie wrote: »
    I was watching the F1 on BBC yesterday and I spotted that all the presenters were wearing the poppies with one exception - Eddie Jordan.

    There were a few English friends of Johnny Giles talking on TLL Show on Friday. Only one was wearing a poppy. There's a lot of fascism surrounding the subject. Those choosing not to wear it are seen as disrespectful towards the people that served in the wars. As if wearing a poppy is the only way to show respect.. it's a load of shite. I remember a story about a pub in Britain been boycotted last year because they chose not to sell the things.


  • #44
    marzic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 784 ✭✭✭marzic


    Those poor irish souls who joined the british army were economic migrants basically, and many of them didnt come back. There should be some recognition of them in this country, a green poppy maybe, but something because those people went through a fcuking sh1tcnut of hell that, thankfully, most of us will never know...













    (...unless we were stuck in a lift for 2hours with pan pipes christmas playing in the background - lest I forget I'm in AH)


  • #45
    Ponster
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,912 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ponster


    Really-Stressed wrote: »
    Oh Jesus not again.....


    I wonder will it end like last years thread ?


  • #46
    getz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭getz


    My name is URL wrote: »
    There were a few English friends of Johnny Giles talking on TLL Show on Friday. Only one was wearing a poppy. There's a lot of fascism surrounding the subject. Those choosing not to wear it are seen as disrespectful towards the people that served in the wars. As if wearing a poppy is the only way to show respect.. it's a load of shite. I remember a story about a pub in Britain been boycotted last year because they chose not to sell the things.
    the only people who get worked up about it are the irish,the irish woman who ran the english village pub and would not allow a poppy box in her pub was being silly, the village had a lot of veterans living in it ,it was like a red rag to a bull,she lost all her customers.


  • #47
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,320 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    getz wrote: »
    the only people who get worked up about it are the irish,the irish woman who ran the english village pub and would not allow a poppy box in her pub was being silly, the village had a lot of veterans living in it ,it was like a red rag to a bull,she lost all her customers.

    It shouldn't be something that people are expected to partake in.. that's a million miles away from what it's supposed to represent. I don't think it's just the Irish who get worked up about it.. Jon Snow from Channel 4 news has never worn a poppy afaik, and each year is subjected to abuse for that fact

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1326063/Jon-Snow-poppy-fascism-row-C4-News-host-refuses-surrender.html?ITO=1490

    People can just as easily respect the dead while at the same time not wearing a generic symbolic plastic flower to show others that they respect the dead.


  • #48
    L'prof
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭L'prof


    dclane wrote: »
    After watching the x-factor over the weekend I saw that the Irish contestants were all wearing the red poppy. I don't personally see why not, given the vast number of Irish men who died in world war one, but there may be some people who will think differently.

    In the case of the x-factor, it's a popularity contest, so the Irish contestants don't really have a choice there to be honest. I wouldn't wear one personally and I wouldn't judge anybody for doing so, but I don't think Irish citizens should feel obliged to wear it over here!


  • #49
    Orando Broom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,351 ✭✭✭Orando Broom


    dclane wrote: »
    After watching the x-factor over the weekend I saw that the Irish contestants were all wearing the red poppy. I don't personally see why not, given the vast number of Irish men who died in world war one, but there may be some people who will think differently.



    Paras. Derry. 1972. It overshadows and will continue to overshadow the involvement of all Irishmen in british forces until jusitce is finally given. Apologies are bull****. They men were murderers, plain and simple.

    The poppy lauds these men and their actions. It should not be worn by an Irish person.


  • #50
    Rebelheart
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,077 ✭✭✭Rebelheart


    getz wrote: »
    the only people who get worked up about it are the irish

    Clearly this is arrant nonsense. Unless Jon Snow has suddenly become Irish. How do you explain that?


  • #51
    Rebelheart
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,077 ✭✭✭Rebelheart


    getz wrote: »
    when in rome,even the german ambassador had one on this week,its called respect, try it,you may make friends

    Ah "when in Rome", that unshakeable principle of British foreign policy for the past 400 years....:rolleyes:


  • Advertisement
  • #52
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Rebelheart wrote: »
    Ah "when in Rome", that unshakeable principal of British foreign policy for the past 400 years....:rolleyes:

    Bringing the benefits of civilisation to the darkest reaches of the world, apparently. I always thought civilisation was something to do with culture and not a codeword for 'exploitation and a bayonet up the hole' but thats me, I'm just not edukated....


  • #53
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,275 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    My name is URL wrote: »
    There were a few English friends of Johnny Giles talking on TLL Show on Friday. Only one was wearing a poppy. There's a lot of fascism surrounding the subject. Those choosing not to wear it are seen as disrespectful towards the people that served in the wars. As if wearing a poppy is the only way to show respect.. it's a load of shite. I remember a story about a pub in Britain been boycotted last year because they chose not to sell the things.

    Ironically enough, when Max Mosley was on the BBC This Week programme recently, he was the only one not wearing one. I wondered whether it was something to do with his old man being the head UK fascist during WW2.


  • #54
    baltimore sun
    Closed Accounts Posts: 483 ✭✭baltimore sun


    where can ya get green ones?


  • #55
    aDeener
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭aDeener


    Really-Stressed wrote: »
    I will now summarize the rest of this thread for those who have started reading it here.


    Yup ya boya, go Celtic

    Sorry old boy but what did you say? Irelands a republic? Are you sure

    Gerry, martin, gerry, martin

    **** rangers

    so on so forth.......

    i can safely say thats the first time ive read that line on boards, or anywhere in fact


  • #56
    getz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭getz


    My name is URL wrote: »
    It shouldn't be something that people are expected to partake in.. that's a million miles away from what it's supposed to represent. I don't think it's just the Irish who get worked up about it.. Jon Snow from Channel 4 news has never worn a poppy afaik, and each year is subjected to abuse for that fact

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1326063/Jon-Snow-poppy-fascism-row-C4-News-host-refuses-surrender.html?ITO=1490

    People can just as easily respect the dead while at the same time not wearing a generic symbolic plastic flower to show others that they respect the dead.
    you have got to remember EVERY family in the UK lost loved ones in two world wars,many of them irish ,the wearing of the poppy is to remember those who gave their lives,both british and commonwealth soldiers,AND IRELAND WAS STILL IN THE COMMONWEALTH UNTILL 1948, most of the younger generation dont wear poppies in the UK,as the older generation are passing on,if it wasent for the british legion most of us would not bother, who is jon snow ?


  • #57
    Wile E. Coyote
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,558 ✭✭✭Wile E. Coyote


    It's a British tradition and shouldn't be forced on anyone. We have the National Day of Commemoration in July and the War Memorial Gardens to show respect for the Irish men and women who died serving this and any other country.


  • #58
    MajorMax
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 865 ✭✭✭MajorMax


    Notorious97 wrote: »
    I don’t agree with it at all. It is a personal choice of course, i just think its not something Irish people should do. I will await the flurry of ‘my relatives died fighting for Britain in WW1’ to which i can reply well they were nothing but traitors. I myself have had two great grandfathers fight in this war and this is how i view them. I think the fact it is forced upon you if you are in the UK on TV for example is ridiculous. Of course people should be able to refuse wearing it, there is nothing that could make me wear one if it was requested, the x factor should be ashamed if it is forcing them to wear it.

    It is a symbol of oppression to many, Irish people fighting a foreign powers wars both in Ireland and abroad.

    I don't want to be personal but in my opinion you're an idiot. During WW 1 Ireland was part of the british empire and the United Kingdom. How were they traitors to serve in their own countries army.
    Without the guidance and training of men who had served in the trenches, the IRA would have been ineffective. A signifigant portion of the active members of the flying columns were veterans. Were these men traitors? According to you they were.
    I had a granduncle who died in Flanders in 1917 and I had another granduncle who died in Tyrone fighting with the IRA in the border wars of the 1950's. Each man died fighting for their beliefs and unlike you, with the benifit of 20/20 hindsite, I try not to judge them for their decisions.
    Many men believed that thir contributions in the British army would gain Ireland self determination post war. The 10th (Irish) and 16th (Irish) ) Divisions were full of patriots. The 10th Division in particular was formed from John Redmond's Irish volunteers (the same organisation that was behind the 1916 uprising)

    "The interest of Ireland – of the whole of Ireland – are at stake in this war. This war is undertaken in the defence of the highest principles of religion and morality and right, and it would be a disgrace for ever to our country and a reproach to her manhood and a denial of the lessons of her history if young Ireland confined their efforts to remaining at home to defend the shores of Ireland from an unlikely invasion, and to shrinking from the duty of proving on the field of battle that gallantry and courage which has distinguished our race all through its history. I say to you, therefore, your duty is twofold. I am glad to see such magnificent material for soldiers around me, and I say to you: “Go on drilling and make yourself efficient for the Work, and then account yourselves as men, not only for Ireland itself, but wherever the fighting line extends, in defence of right, of freedom, and religion in this war" - John Redmond - Woodenbridge, County Wicklow September 20 1914

    In closing, what have you done for your country? It's easy to sit in judgement almost a hundred years later.


  • #59
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,320 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    getz wrote: »
    you have got to remember EVERY family in the UK lost loved ones in two world wars,many of them irish ,the wearing of the poppy is to remember those who gave their lives,both british and commonwealth soldiers,AND IRELAND WAS STILL IN THE COMMONWEALTH UNTILL 1948, most of the younger generation dont wear poppies in the UK,as the older generation are passing on,if it wasent for the british legion most of us would not bother, who is jon snow ?

    I don't see what you mean. Are you saying that everyone should be expected to wear a poppy?

    Jon Snow is a newsreader on Channel 4.. interestingly enough his grandfather was a General in WWI.. Does the fact that he chooses not to wear a poppy mean that he is disrespectful? People can show respect in other ways than wearing a poxy plastic flower for a few weeks every year.


  • #60
    d'Oracle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,025 ✭✭✭d'Oracle


    Funny how close Poppy Day and Guy Fawkes day are......


  • Advertisement
  • #61
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    If you feel comfortable wearing a symbol which commemorates those who put down the 1916 rebels, participated in both bloody sundays, burned Cork and Balbriggan, engaged in unjustified wars in Afganistan/Iraq, invented concentration camps, and have murdered countless peoples all for a redundant imperialist vision(feel free to add to this list, there is plenty of material!), go for it. This commemorates the black and tans just as much as those who died at the Some.
    Then there is the fact that this is a POLITICAL symbol. And the money raised goes towards a support system for soldiers. And they aint soldiers from WW1.


This discussion has been closed.
Advertisement