LOWRYLAND.....Coming Soon!!

Dempsey wrote: »

What he said. You dont have to explain to me about Lowry's past but these conspiracy theories are just ridiculous. Its not Lowry's own property venture either, did you read the article properly?

Lowry is backing it. He's an independant TD who's vote FF need. He needs a law changed to get the project underway. Do you see how corruption pops into this?

einheisserschre wrote: »

This project is too big to fail and has too much money put into it to fail. It's not just Richard Quirke's money in it, this has nearly 10 investors so it won't bankrupt him. Sorry to burst your bubble on that one.

I heard something similar about the housing market.

humanji wrote: »

Lowry is backing it. He's an independant TD who's vote FF need. He needs a law changed to get the project underway. Do you see how corruption pops into this?

Horseracing Ireland, Denis Desmond and Aidan O' Brien amongst others are backing it too.

I see how you see that corruption pops into this and I also see that you are a moderator of the conspiracies forum. If you think he's corrupt, why dont you take him to court and prove it. This thing is sailing through planning permission as the locals (i.e. the voting people of ireland) arent complaining.

I think they all are corrupt and this corruption is leading to centralisation of horse and greyhound racing in Tipperary (something that was recommended), a 15,000 seater multi purpose area, a hotel, a golfcourse, casino & 3000 jobs.

Again, I refer to that frontline program, its shows how alot of irish people contradict themselves when it comes to creating jobs in ireland.

Nevermind_ wrote: »

Guys, you all do realise that this is a hell of a long way off getting proper planning permission yet.
Yes the local council has granted it (big shock!) but it will without doubt be appealed to An Bord Pleanala where the real decision will be made.
It is much harder to get around ABP than your average gombeen local councillors.
And by the time they get around to changing any gambling legislation the present government could be gone along with lowry's position of influence due to the small government majority.

This is all very much pie in the sky still, they have a very long way to go.
Also what bank is gonna finance this?
Seems a bit strange that the law gets changed to benefit one particular developer and a bunch of private investors.

Sure it would be a great little country if we could only roof it...

Imhof Tank wrote: »

Beat me to it - the chances of this getting past an Bord Pleanala or financed are slim to nil.

Not a mention of the build cost either? "Funding is not an issue" according to Lowry - pull the other one - more like its not an issue because if they can get the permission and the licence, Dr Quirky and his mates will be flipping the whole thing as a ready to go project to an existing casino operator from the US or Far East

In relation to the Tipperary planning permission they have - was this a material contravention case with the councillors voting (dont think so but open to correction)? If not then it would have been the council's planning staff who issued the permission and the councillors wouldnt have been involved.

The land has been bought up and he's in the process of relocating the people he bought land off of.

Nevermind_ wrote: »

So? Whats your point?
That still doesnt mean its going to get through ABP or get finance or change the law.
This was all tried before in the Phoenix Park in the late 90's, lovely designs were done a fortune spent and then NOTHING.
So you'll forgive me for my scepticism
But i really cant blame you for your enthusiasm for this being from Tipp

I'm sure the failures of the Phoenix Park was the first thing they looked at.

I'm literally a 2 minute drive from the site, I know most of the people including friends of Quirke himself that have been bought out and what their settlements are. Its fair to say that I know more than what you'll read in the newspapers.

I just cant understand the constant negativity & begrudgery around something that wont be near anyone here thats complaining.

Dempsey wrote: »

I'm sure the failures of the Phoenix Park was the first thing they looked at.

I'm literally a 2 minute drive from the site, I know most of the people including friends of Quirke himself that have been bought out and what their settlements are. Its fair to say that I know more than what you'll read in the newspapers.

I just cant understand the constant negativity & begrudgery around something that wont be near anyone here thats complaining.

I reckon that we're neighbours.

And you're correct, planning permission is not an issue.

The land has been acquired and the planning permission will be granted in the next couple of weeks.
In fact the sites acquired by the developer are being vacated as the residents there acquire planning to build new homes in that greater location.

In america when a guy see's another guy's huge house and obvious success he'd say, 'some day i'll have a house like that too, in Ireland when we see a huge house and some success we say, 'how did that f&%£ing b$£"rd get a big house!, stop the negativity and fortune telling here, ye simply don't know how this is going to develop so lets wait and see and give it a chance, at least respect the guy for giving it a go!!:cool:

Imhof Tank wrote: »

Do the plans include one of these?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEZjzsnPhnw

Nope, but I've just finished putting up one of these:

humanji wrote: »

You don't have to break the law to be corrupt.

Do teh locals know all the details? Do they know who's gaining from this project? Do they know what, if any, paymenst and promises have been made to various groups in order to gain their support? Is it really to much to ask that measures are taken to unsure this isn't yet another plan to f*ck over the Irish people?


Has any real studies been made into the need and viability of all this? Will there actually be 3000 jobs? Will a 15,000 seater really be necessary or be used?

There was a presentation done in the Horse and Jockey about a year ago addressing all that. You really should have been there and quizzed Quirke himself.

humanji wrote: »

So we shold all bury our heads in the sand, forget about the housing fiasco and just hope it all turns out well?

Sorry, I'd rather know the facts before it's built.

So everything should stop because people made a tit of themselves in the celtic tiger era? Gimme a break. Its passing all the criteria thats in place so it should go ahead as planned and on schedule

humanji wrote: »

So?
Do teh locals know all the details? Do they know who's gaining from this project? Do they know what, if any, paymenst and promises have been made to various groups in order to gain their support? Is it really to much to ask that measures are taken to unsure this isn't yet another plan to f*ck over the Irish people?

Has any real studies been made into the need and viability of all this? Will there actually be 3000 jobs? Will a 15,000 seater really be necessary or be used?

There have been regular meetings held in a local hotel where Quirke and his team meet the locals, give them an update and presentation, and hold a Q&A session for as long as it takes for people to be satisfied.

The planning application has been with N.Tipp Co Co for a number of months now. All documentation is available for public inspection, most of the process can be followed online if you're too lazy to trek to Nenagh. There have been regular updates in the local press.

We know that first and foremost, Richard Quirke will be benefitting from this. That's what happens when you're an entrepreneur, you invest money and hope to make a profit. After that, his other investors presumably will be in for a cut. There has been no move by Tipperary North Co Co to insist that the project be run as a cooperative with the proceeds being equally divided amongst the natives; nor has there been any recent push to declare North Tipp a Marxist republic.

Those who are most directly affected have been satisfied with how things are proceeding - as far as I'm aware only one local farmer has made a submission to the planning authorities. the main objections come from Taisce, but that's what they are there for and hopefully some compromise can be reached. The land for the proposed site consists of agricultural land and unused bog for the most part, but is not located in or near any areas of special scientific interest.

No promises have been made to any of the locals in the village. Most of us hope that the motorway junction will be upgraded and don't really get why it was built the way it was in the first place. If it isn't upgraded, it will affect local traffic, but nothing beyond what we were used to before the motorway opened.

Of course, if the murder and prostitution rate goes up, we'll all be complaining, but not if we're offered jobs on the new CSI unit/as exotic dancers/croupiers.

humanji wrote: »

Did you quiz him? Do you have all the details and all the reports?


You know this recession thing that's currently going on? Do you not think that it makes sense to guarantee the best options are being taken instead of just assuming everything will turn out grand? Do I have to cite references to all the times doing this came back to bite the Irish people on the ass?

I didnt attend it. If you were really serious about finding out whether this thing is viable YOU would have found out. You didnt but want to bitch about it anyways because its the easiest thing to do. You have google, off you go.

This is a private venture and its not using Irish Banks or taxpayers money. You are talking like its a private/public partnership. IT ISNT!!

Cat Melodeon wrote: »

if we're offered jobs .............. as exotic dancers/croupiers.

What about us local slobs??

You'll all be given cushy jobs!