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Selling poppies

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  • #32
    KeithAFC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    Rebelheart wrote: »
    They weren't "heroes"; they were, very clearly, misguided idiots. Sorry if the truth hurts but hopefully you'll see the light yet.
    :rolleyes: They are to me. We will never forget them.


  • #33
    Rebelheart
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,077 ✭✭✭Rebelheart


    Zambia232 wrote: »
    In all, about 210,000 Irishmen served in the British forces during World War One. Since there was no conscription, about 140,000 of these joined during the war as volunteers. Some 35,000 Irish died.

    Respect your mates beliefs

    Yeah, I suppose because they were Irish murderers they deserve to be respected. Jesus - what parochial, tribal shíte, up there with the British tabloids anyday.

    At this rate we might as well honour every rapist, murderer and scumbag in Irish history simply because they were born in Ireland. The moral inconsistency and tribalism of this view beats the band. Jesus wept.


  • #34
    Rebelheart
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,077 ✭✭✭Rebelheart


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    :rolleyes: They are to me. We will never forget them.

    Fair enough if you have to romanticise the past to give comfort to your present. It's an understandable need, but not worthy of respect.


  • #35
    Zambia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭Zambia


    gurramok wrote: »
    Its hard considering what they did to Irish people.

    True but at some piont we really all have to forgive each other for the sins of each others countrymen's past actions.


  • #36
    gurramok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    Zambia232 wrote: »
    True but at some piont we really all have to forgive each other for the sins of each others countrymen's past actions.

    Do people forgive the IRA actions? I sincerely doubt it.

    Equally why should people forgive soldiers for shooting dead unarmed civilians where they got no justice nor acknowledgment of their innocence?

    And where those soldiers are now in their 60's getting some funds from the poppys.


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  • #37
    johnnyskeleton
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,568 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    I don't wear a poppy, but I like to take a minute's silence on 11/11 at 11am. Figure that one out.
    Rebelheart wrote: »
    Horseshíte, Déise. The British poppy is used solely to honour those who fought on the British imperialist side.

    So...you would have been on the Kaiser's side?


  • #38
    KeithAFC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    Rebelheart wrote: »
    Fair enough if you have to romanticise the past to give comfort to your present. It's an understandable need, but not worthy of respect.
    Much more worthy than your rebels anyway.


  • #39
    johnnyskeleton
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,568 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    Rebelheart wrote: »
    They weren't "heroes"; they were, very clearly, misguided idiots. Sorry if the truth hurts but hopefully you'll see the light yet.

    I wish I had a monopoly on the truth. Then god would (finally) be on MY side.


  • #40
    Rebelheart
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,077 ✭✭✭Rebelheart


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    I can understand Irish people not wanting to wear a poppy, but i believe they should respect the wishes of those who wish to.

    Why? Because they should honour the scum who suppressed Irish freedom for centuries? Or were responsible for murdering tens of thousands of children and women in Concentration Camps? ....


  • #41
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Rebelheart wrote: »
    Why? Because they should honour the scum who suppressed Irish freedom for centuries? Or were responsible for murdering tens of thousands of children and women in Concentration Camps? ....

    And people wonder why republicanism has such a bad name.:rolleyes:


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  • #42
    Rebelheart
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,077 ✭✭✭Rebelheart


    johnnyskeleton wrote: »
    I don't wear a poppy, but I like to take a minute's silence on 11/11 at 11am. Figure that one out.



    So...you would have been on the Kaiser's side?

    In 1914-18 - hell yeah! What did the Germans ever do to the Irish? Although, I would prefer to step outside your dichotomy and agree with 'We serve neither king nor kaiser but Ireland' - but let's not confuse the apologists for British imperialism on this thread.

    That you think your crowd were fighting for the "freedom of small nations" when your cohorts fought for the British Empire at the same period, while Ireland remained under British colonial occupation, reflects poorly on the intelligence of anybody proffering that line of defence.


  • #43
    Rebelheart
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,077 ✭✭✭Rebelheart


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    And people wonder why republicanism has such a bad name.:rolleyes:

    Clearly among people in your ethno-socio-economic status, yes. Congratulations. Your posts continue to demonstrate that it's still the British lower classes, and their tabloid nationalism, who have been reduced to moving to Ireland. You poor creatúr.


  • #44
    A Dub in Glasgo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,590 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Heres the 2006 thread

    Heres the 2008 thread

    After Hours has had some belters as well

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/search.php?searchid=15095902#


  • #45
    johnnyskeleton
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,568 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    Rebelheart wrote: »
    Why? Because they should honour the scum who suppressed Irish freedom for centuries? Or were responsible for murdering tens of thousands of children and women in Concentration Camps? ....
    Rebelheart wrote: »
    In 1914-18 - hell yeah! What did the Germans ever do to the Irish? Although, I would prefer to step outside your dichotomy and agree with 'We serve neither king nor kaiser but Ireland' - but let's not confuse the apologists for British imperialism on this thread.

    Ah, so it's ok when the Germans kill people/put them in concentration camps, but when the British do it it's a big no no?
    Rebelheart wrote: »
    That you think your crowd were fighting for the "freedom of small nations" when your cohorts fought for the British Empire at the same period, while Ireland remained under British colonial occupation, reflects poorly on the intelligence of anybody proffering that line of defence.

    First of all, if you think I'm a cohort of the WWI Irish battalions, then you must think I'm a seriously old geezer.

    Second, I never said anything about "freedom of small nations".

    Third, what exactly am I defending?

    Finally, saying that something refects poorly on my intelligence does not make it so. You have to show some error of logic if you wish to sustain that argument.


  • #46
    Bottle_of_Smoke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,770 ✭✭✭Bottle_of_Smoke


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    I wear one to pay my respects to the heroes of the 36th Ulster division.

    That's absolutely fine mate though I'm sure you understand people specifically wearing them in memory of paramilitaries puts others off.

    There's parallels to it amongst nationalists many people don't wear easter lillies because of the PIRA


  • #47
    Rebelheart
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,077 ✭✭✭Rebelheart


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Much more worthy than your rebels anyway.

    How revealing. The British colonial forces who occupy Ireland are "more worthy" than the native Irish forces who resist them. Well done, KeithAFC. You are living proof of everything that is wrong and sickeningly nationalistic about those who wear the British poppy.


  • #48
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Rebelheart wrote: »
    Clearly among people in your ethno-socio-economic status, yes. Congratulations. Your posts continue to demonstrate that it's still the British lower classes, and their tabloid nationalism, who have been reduced to moving to Ireland. You poor creatúr.

    i was merely pointing out that people should respect the beliefs of others. you seem incapable of doing that because you are only capable of seeing your side of things. That is what gives republicans a bad name. Fortunately many have a much more even handed view of the world.


  • #49
    Rebelheart
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,077 ✭✭✭Rebelheart


    Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »
    That's absolutely fine mate though I'm sure you understand people specifically wearing them in memory of paramilitaries puts others off.

    There's parallels to it amongst nationalists many people don't wear easter lillies because of the PIRA

    It's actually not: the 36th Ulster Division was nothing but a glorified paramilitary unit, just as the UVF from which it came was: they were established to oppose the democratic wishes of the British parliament and monarch to which they supposedly gave loyalty. This anti-democratic raison d'être of the Ulster Volunteers is not disputed by any historian.


  • #50
    Zambia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭Zambia


    gurramok wrote: »
    Do people forgive the IRA actions? I sincerely doubt it.

    Equally why should people forgive soldiers for shooting dead unarmed civilians where they got no justice nor acknowledgment of their innocence?

    And where those soldiers are now in their 60's getting some funds from the poppys.

    One day mate I will die and my hate and anger at those events will die with me.

    I just choose to let the latter go earlier I can do without them.


  • #51
    KeithAFC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    Rebelheart wrote: »
    How revealing. The British colonial forces who occupy Ireland are "more worthy" than the native Irish forces who resist them. Well done, KeithAFC. You are living proof of everything that is wrong and sickeningly nationalistic about those who wear the British poppy.
    They went to war, many people didn't have a clue about war and they fought with dignity and died in horrfic ways but they did it all with dignity and i respect that.

    My view on my heroes compared to yours is obviously biased but its just my view.


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  • #52
    jackbenimble
    Closed Accounts Posts: 289 ✭✭jackbenimble


    gurramok wrote: »
    Like those on Bloody Sunday and those that shot hundreds of unarmed civilians dead during the Troubles. Hope you see where the problem with poppy funding is now.

    Hundreds?


  • #53
    gurramok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    i was merely pointing out that people should respect the beliefs of others. you seem incapable of doing that because you are only capable of seeing your side of things. That is what gives republicans a bad name. Fortunately many have a much more even handed view of the world.

    Why such I respect the beliefs of someone who buys a poppy where said funds goes to the welfare of the Bloody Sunday murderers who got away with murder?

    Try the other side of the coin, would you respect my belief if I bought a symbol representing the murderers of those kids at Warrington?

    You know your answer.


  • #54
    Rebelheart
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,077 ✭✭✭Rebelheart


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    i was merely pointing out that people should respect the beliefs of others. you seem incapable of doing that because you are only capable of seeing your side of things.

    This is thoughtless, pseudo-politically correct bollocksology: there are very many views which we encounter in life which should not be respected. British claims to lands beyond Britain - i.e. supremacist claims - rank highly in that regard in my ethical belief system.

    To put it in terms which you can probably relate to: would you respect the beliefs of somebody who believes he has a right to force his wife to do everything he says, dress as he says, and think as he says?

    People who support such claims do not have the right to expect respect on a par with, say, the views of Nelson Mandela on apartheid. Simple as.

    Less shíte; more substance, please.


  • #55
    gurramok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    Zambia232 wrote: »
    One day mate I will die and my hate and anger at those events will die with me.

    I just choose to let the latter go earlier I can do without them.

    No, you had asked "all I am asking is you respect the beliefs of others."

    Why should I respect an army who let murderers of Irish citizens(nevermind other nationalities in other conflicts) off the hook?
    jackbenimble wrote: »
    Hundreds?

    Yes. Look up www.cain.co.uk of the said victims.


  • #56
    jackbenimble
    Closed Accounts Posts: 289 ✭✭jackbenimble


    Rebelheart wrote: »
    Fair enough if you have to romanticise the past to give comfort to your present. It's an understandable need, but not worthy of respect.

    Oh the irony...


  • #57
    Bottle_of_Smoke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,770 ✭✭✭Bottle_of_Smoke


    Rebelheart wrote: »
    It's actually not: the 36th Ulster Division was nothing but a glorified paramilitary unit, just as the UVF from which it came was: they were established to oppose the democratic wishes of the British parliament and monarch to which they supposedly gave loyalty. This anti-democratic raison d'être of the Ulster Volunteers is not disputed by any historian.

    Bigger debate but fact is they were fighting a far more just cause at the somme than troubles era loyalists, were considered heroes by the british and suffered huge casulties. theres no comparison


  • #58
    Rebelheart
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,077 ✭✭✭Rebelheart


    jackbenimble wrote: »
    Oh the irony...

    oh, the gobshíte ...


  • #59
    Rebelheart
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,077 ✭✭✭Rebelheart


    Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »
    Bigger debate but fact is they were fighting a far more just cause at the somme than troubles era loyalists, were considered heroes by the british and suffered huge casulties. theres no comparison

    Leaving aside the relativity, what was "just" about the British Empire fighting the German Empire in WW I?


  • #60
    Zambia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭Zambia


    gurramok wrote: »
    No, you had asked "all I am asking is you respect the beliefs of others."

    Why should I respect an army who let murderers of Irish citizens(nevermind other nationalities in other conflicts) off the hook?

    Fair enough but I asked you respect others with a different standpiont. I never asked you to change yours.


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  • #61
    KeithAFC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    Rebelheart wrote: »
    oh, the gobshíte ...
    :pac: Its true. It is irony to some degree.

    Anyway, people fought in wars for people to have the right to wear what they want. Don't want to wear a poppy, don't do it. Simple as that.


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