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Has there eve been a case in Ireland where those protesting are victorious?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,857 ✭✭✭Reloc8


    What about all the old dears and their medical cards ? Seemed to work.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,654 ✭✭✭Noreen1


    Protests often fail to bring the desired result in Ireland, because they rarely have sufficient numbers protesting.

    Two protests that were very successful were the PAYE marches in the 80s, and the pensioners protest re: medical cards.

    Both protests were very well organised, with the PAYE protest, in particular, bringing large numbers of people onto the streets in every major town.

    If enough people protest, it works.
    The pensioners could arrange one big rally. Work commitments, etc. would require protests now to be arranged in the same way as the PAYE protests, where people just took a half day off work, and travelled to their nearest large town.

    If enough groups get together, from public and private sector unions, farmers groups, the unemployed etc. - then the type of mass protest that would ensue would strike fear into our politicians.

    It can be done. But not by scattered, small protests here and there. Solidarity and organisation is the key.

    Noreen


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,207 ✭✭✭meditraitor


    Did anyone mention 1916 yet?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,755 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    2008 called, it wants its thread back


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,094 ✭✭✭✭javaboy


    2008 called, it wants its thread back

    If you're talking to it again, will you let it know about Anglo and how bad things get in general? Save us a bit of bother.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,728 ✭✭✭✭Earthhorse


    optogirl wrote: »
    What about the Dunnes Stores Strikers - went out on strike for nearly 3 years through all weathers and were subject to dogs abuse - don't think it was much fun for them. They did however achieve sanctions on South African produce and set the ball rolling that led to the end of the apartheid system there.

    Whilst I admire their moral courage, their action in no way led to the end of the apartheid system.
    javaboy wrote: »
    If you're talking to it again, will you let it know about Anglo and how bad things get in general? Save us a bit of bother.

    2008 javaboy woulda made this Post of the Day.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭jimi_t2


    The headshops.

    First and probably last time you'll ever see the 32 County Solidarity Movement and the Indignant Mothers Association joining forces under the banner of one Joe Duffy.

    Of course, when it comes to a new Cystic Fibrosis unit or maintaining previous hospital services the righteous indignation and moral high ground just evaporates - the HSE isn't as easy a target apparently.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 758 ✭✭✭davrho


    jimi_t2 wrote: »
    The headshops.

    First and probably last time you'll ever see the 32 County Solidarity Movement and the Indignant Mothers Association joining forces under the banner of one Joe Duffy.

    Joe Duffy former of the blue rinse brigade.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭The Aussie


    optogirl wrote: »
    They did however achieve sanctions on South African produce and set the ball rolling that led to the end of the apartheid system there.

    No, they helped draw attention to aparthied. there is a big difference.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,113 ✭✭✭optogirl


    Earthhorse wrote: »
    Whilst I admire their moral courage, their action in no way led to the end of the apartheid system.



    .


    yes it did - political sanctions were imposed here and many european countries followed suit. These sanctions led to SA authorities reassessing the apartheid system and dismantling it. There is even a street in SA named after one of the strikers for this very reason


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭The Aussie


    optogirl wrote: »
    yes it did - political sanctions were imposed here and many european countries followed suit. These sanctions led to SA authorities reassessing the apartheid system and dismantling it. There is even a street in SA named after one of the strikers for this very reason
    There were sporting sanctions in place by the mid 50's (from memory) when were the Dunnes strikes the mid 80's (from memory) there were sanctions from the Commonwealth and all of South Africas trading partners well before a bunch of store workers started striking.

    Apartheid was brought down internally, to suggest otherwise is doing a disservice to all those who were brave enough to stand up against a evil regime.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,547 ✭✭✭funkyjebus


    no we lack frenchness.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,094 ✭✭✭✭javaboy


    funkyjebus wrote: »
    no we lack frenchness.

    The French are the boys who cried wolf of the world. They protest over just about everything. Strikes, protests and civil disobedience can be useful tools but not when overused.

    We're the other extreme. Either way you're not going to be taken seriously.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,351 ✭✭✭Orando Broom


    Offaly in the All Ireland against Clare in the all ireland when Jimmy Cooney blew up early.

    That was a protest that worked.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,113 ✭✭✭optogirl


    The Aussie wrote: »
    There were sporting sanctions in place by the mid 50's (from memory) when were the Dunnes strikes the mid 80's (from memory) there were sanctions from the Commonwealth and all of South Africas trading partners well before a bunch of store workers started striking.

    Apartheid was brought down internally, to suggest otherwise is doing a disservice to all those who were brave enough to stand up against a evil regime.


    I'm not saying the Dunnes strikers single handedly brought down the regime. I am using them in an example of where a strike was successful. Their protest led to Irish sanctions. This influenced many other countries to do the same. This contributed to the end of apartheid.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,547 ✭✭✭funkyjebus


    javaboy wrote: »
    The French are the boys who cried wolf of the world. They protest over just about everything. Strikes, protests and civil disobedience can be useful tools but not when overused.

    We're the other extreme. Either way you're not going to be taken seriously.

    dont know about that now, they protested cus they wanted more paid vacation time, what are they up to annually..... 40 days or so. thats some mighty protesting imo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭The Aussie


    optogirl wrote: »
    I'm not saying the Dunnes strikers single handedly brought down the regime. I am using them in an example of where a strike was successful. Their protest led to Irish sanctions. This influenced many other countries to do the same. This contributed to the end of apartheid.

    The South African government would have held out for another 4 decades if they wanted, they did not care what foreign governments thought or what they imposed on them they had wealth, minerals and a world class army behind them, external influences played only a very minor bit part in the whole story. (if you have some time read up on it, its more interesting than the White Australia Policy that lasted about 70 years and the remanence of that is still being felt today) so to say that they set the ball rolling is highly disingenuous.
    optogirl wrote: »
    They did however achieve sanctions on South African produce and set the ball rolling that led to the end of the apartheid system there.

    So once again i will reiterate.
    The Aussie wrote: »
    Apartheid was brought down internally, to suggest otherwise is doing a disservice to all those who were brave enough to stand up against a evil regime.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,915 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    Scien wrote: »
    There was a Love Ulster demonstration in Dublin before.
    Lots of Orangemen came down and played their trumpets & drums.

    By the end of the day, Irish people embraced their Culture and both Communities rejoyced with gladness.

    Everything went better than expected!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,562 ✭✭✭scientific1982


    Didnt the OPPs have a huge protest a few months ago over proposals to cut medical cards. The government reversed that decision.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,392 ✭✭✭TequilaMockingBird


    Someone should have protested to get me off the internet in '08. :o:confused:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,204 ✭✭✭FoxT


    Protests generally do not work because protesters generally do not offer alternatives. For simple issues like access to contraception ( remember the condom trains to Belfast?) they can be influential, but students protesting against fees will never succeed because they dont offer an alternative- they are NIMBYs essentially.


    Protests DO work at the ballot box though. Mucky McDowell & the PDs took a big & well deserved enema in the last election, and the greens are heading for the poop chute shortly.

    - FoxT


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,870 ✭✭✭Corsendonk


    optogirl wrote: »
    What about the Dunnes Stores Strikers - went out on strike for nearly 3 years through all weathers and were subject to dogs abuse - don't think it was much fun for them. They did however achieve sanctions on South African produce and set the ball rolling that led to the end of the apartheid system there.

    I wouldn't say the Dunnes workers set the ball rolling there, maybe Mandela had a bigger role :) Incidentally strange how Dunnes stopped selling South African but increased its amounts of Imports from Zimbabwe from companies located near the South African border.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    The coffin dodgers managed to get Cowen do a U-Turn on that thing they were smacking their gums about.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,659 ✭✭✭CrazyRabbit


    javaboy wrote: »
    The Dunnes Stores checkout chicks were fairly successful. They didn't end apartheid but they did get some serious attention for the issue and forced Dunnes into a bit of a policy change I think.

    Yup. In the context of the OP, it was successful as they stopped Dunnes Stores from selling South African goods.
    http://writingrights.org/2010/03/04/the-dunne-stores-workers-the-anti-apartheid-movement-yesterday-south-africa-today-israel/

    Christy even wrote a song about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Pighead wrote: »
    The great "Bring back the fcuking rolleyes smilie" protest of 08 was a resounding success.:rolleyes:
    You're fcuking right it was, but that was lead by an impassioned American :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,207 ✭✭✭meditraitor


    Overheal wrote: »
    You're fcuking right it was, but that was lead by an impassioned American :)

    so was Korea/vietnam/nicaragua/iraq/afganistan....... couldn't see it coming back though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 463 ✭✭Bog




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,207 ✭✭✭meditraitor


    Bog wrote: »


    LOL, the only fascinating thing about that article was the wordcount.
    You don’t know what the amazing ripple-effect of your protest will be – but wouldn’t Britain be a better place if it replaced the ripple of impotent anger so many of us are feeling? Yes, you can sit back and let yourself be ripped off by the bankers and the corporations and their political lackeys if you want. But it’s an indulgent fiction to believe that is all you can do. You can act in your own self-defence. As Margaret Mead, the great democratic campaigner, said: “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful people could change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.”

    Poll tax riots/Miner's at al......... fantasy of a teenage mind..... If I met the author I would say grow up. Get up and intigrate. There is no chance to win this battle except to lose and poison it from within.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 122 ✭✭WillyWaggler


    Bottom line is that the government should be afraid of the people, like in France, not the people afraid of the government, like in Ireland.

    So yes, even if the protest is unsuccessful it's still important because it makes the government more reluctant the next time they want to screw the people over.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,207 ✭✭✭meditraitor


    Bottom line is that the government should be afraid of the people, like in France, not the people afraid of the government, like in Ireland.

    So yes, even if the protest is unsuccessful it's still important because it makes the government more reluctant the next time they want to screw the people over.

    But that doesn't make sense, the f French protest petered out and lost momentum. the legislation was passed and the only good thing was a another couple of days of for the surrender monkeys


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