Has there eve been a case in Ireland where those protesting are victorious?

Jay D

Like recently we've been having students giving out about a reintroduction of fees, the Shell to sea campaign among many other things but is the truth and final decision regardlessly not going to make a blind bit of difference what they do?

Like has there been a case where the government has made a decision and from public uproar changed their mind?

Just curious.

hussey

In Oz yes, workchoices it was called
John Howard introduced this bill which effectively took away workers rights, Kevin Rudd was voted in and he abolished it (or changed).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WorkChoices

CiaranC

http://struggle.ws/wsm/talks/carnsore2002.html

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

We're not really that good at protesting here, and there's very little solidarity.

A small bunch will take to the streets; the rest will moan incessantly that the traffic's been disrupted and will want the said protesters shoud be strung up for maing them late.

You certainly wouldn't get the kind of protests the Parisians(sp?) are capable, or the Brits wehn Maggie tried to bring in the Poll tax.

Macha

Um..they delayed taking their salary increases earlier this year...?

Mahatma coat

hussey wrote: »

In Oz yes, workchoices it was called
John Howard introduced this bill which effectively took away workers rights, Kevin Rudd was voted in and he abolished it (or changed).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WorkChoices

Bolloxology, AWA's/Work Choices was a great system, a total revamp of the archaic system that was in place, individualy negotiated contracts with collective bargaining a Fvckin enlightened concept.

the reason that it was scrappedby labour is that it took away the Unions stranglehold on the labourmarket and would hae seriously reduced the power ofthe unions to organise strikes (which was a good thing IMHO)

now we are back to the bad old days of union control in the jobmarket.

the 'Friday Chinese' club that controls the trade unions needs to be eradicated

mikemac

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

protesters shoud be strung up for maing them late.
.

Damn straight!

Probably the best lobby group involved in protests in Ireland are the IFA.
They pass off peacefully and always get coverage on the news.
I suppose the heckling of the Minister of Agriculture at the farming show two years ago wasn't peaceful but it was well covered in the news.

You realy need to go to France to see how it's done

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

taconnol wrote: »

Um..they delayed taking their salary increases earlier this year...?

I don't remember a protest here? And if the politicians had stuck to their guns and taken the increases, it would have happened.

Wibbs

Yep I can think of one, but a strange one. The gov introduced fishing licences for trout back in the 80's and fishing types objected en masse. few people bought them and on a couple of occasions bailiffs were actually thrown in rivers etc. People who were prosecuted were backed by a large legal fund and since a fair few of the legal types are fishing types... By the second year I think they sold something like 100 of them country wide so it had to be scrapped. Solidarity is what does it.

Macha

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

I don't remember a protest here? And if the politicians had stuck to their guns and taken the increases, it would have happened.

Well, there wasn't a physical protest but there was public uproar. You're right, nothing would have happened. Politicians in this country don't have the decency to step down when they should. Britain is the other extreme but there is a happy middle.

Fratton Fred

they came up with this crazy notion that everyone who drives a car on their own should have passed a test, Mad i know and ultimately public opinion delayed the implementation.

Mind you, once it failed to meet its objective of covering up a massive pay increase for a few top people there was no point pushing on with it.

Cookie_Monster

there was some sort of childrens shoe tax the government tried to bring in ages ago that was overturned, wasn't there?

Pighead

The great "Bring back the fcuking rolleyes smilie" protest of 08 was a resounding success.:rolleyes:

egan007

Has there eve been a case in Ireland where those protesting are victorious?

LOL

Have you read anything on the foundation of the state?

TequilaMockingBird

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

A small bunch will take to the streets; the rest will moan incessantly that the traffic's been disrupted and will want the said protesters shoud be strung up for maing them late.

You certainly wouldn't get the kind of protests the Parisians(sp?) are capable (of?), or the Brits wehn Maggie tried to bring in the Poll tax.

What?

Mahatma coat wrote: »

Bolloxology, AWA's/Work Choices was a great system, a total revamp of the archaic system that was in place, individualy negotiated contracts with collective bargaining a Fvckin enlightened concept.

the reason that it was scrappedby labour is that it took away the Unions stranglehold on the labourmarket and would hae seriously reduced the power ofthe unions to organise strikes (which was a good thing IMHO)(.?)

now we are back to the bad old days of union control in the jobmarket.

the 'Friday Chinese' club that controls the trade unions needs to be eradicated(.?)

micmclo wrote: »

You realy need to go to France to see how it's done(.?)

Wibbs wrote: »

Yep I can think of one, but a strange one. The gov introduced fishing licences for trout back in the 80's and fishing types objected en masse. few people bought them and on a couple of occasions bailiffs were actually thrown in rivers etc. People who were prosecuted were backed by a large legal fund and since a fair few of the legal types are fishing types...(New paragraph) By the second year I think they sold something like 100 of them country wide so it had to be scrapped. Solidarity is what does it.

Fratton Fred wrote: »

they came up with this crazy notion that everyone who drives a car on their own should have passed a test, Mad i know(,?) and ultimately public opinion delayed the implementation.

I propose people read their f*cking posts before hitting the "submit reply" button. Who's with me? Together we can CHANGE THE WORLD!

TequilaMockingBird

Fratton Fred wrote: »

they came up with this crazy notion that everyone who drives a car on their own should have passed a test, Mad i know and ultimately public opinion delayed the implementation.

Mind you, once it failed to meet its objective of covering up a massive pay increase for a few top people there was no point pushing on with it.

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

there was some sort of childrens shoe tax the government tried to bring in ages ago that was overturned, wasn't there?

Pighead wrote: »

The great "Bring back the fcuking rolleyes smilie" protest of 08 was a resounding success.:rolleyes:

Beautiful, as usual Mr Pig.

whiskeyman

Haven't you seen Mint Feasts and Wispas back in the shops???

Case closed...

SimpleSam06

Jay D wrote: »

Like has there been a case where the government has made a decision and from public uproar changed their mind?

There are several million euros worth of voting machines rotting in a warehouse somewhere that argues yes, protests can be effective. Not marching in the street mind you, but well reasoned arguments in the broadsheets.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

sueme wrote: »

What?










I propose people read their f*cking posts before hitting the "submit reply" button. Who's with me? Together we can CHANGE THE WORLD!

You got me. I'm only just out of bed and the typing brain hasn't kicked in yet. But dear God if that gets to ya, God hlep ya wehn de reel revlution comez.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

careful sueme or you'll end up with an infraction/ban.. would have infracted you already but I couldn't think of a polite way to say 'being a dick'.

Fratton Fred

|-*SxyDubGrrl93*-| wrote: »

careful sueme or you'll end up with an infraction/ban.. would have infracted you already but I couldn't think of a polite way to say 'being a dick'.

how about "Being a penis"?

TequilaMockingBird

|-*SxyDubGrrl93*-| wrote: »

careful sueme or you'll end up with an infraction/ban.. would have infracted you already but I couldn't think of a polite way to say 'being a dick'.

No problem, I will shut up. I'm just finding it a little irritating this morning.

(Thanks for trying to think of a polite way to say it though, its not the usual AH stylee!)

TequilaMockingBird

|-*SxyDubGrrl93*-| wrote: »

careful sueme or you'll end up with an infraction/ban.. would have infracted you already but I couldn't think of a polite way to say 'being a dick'.

/runs for the hills

thelordofcheese

egan007 wrote: »

Has there eve been a case in Ireland where those protesting are victorious?

LOL

Have you read anything on the foundation of the state?

Didn't they get beaten, captured and most of them executed?

Quazzie

Ireland hates protestants. Everyone knows that

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Quazzie2002 wrote: »

Ireland hates protestants. Everyone knows that

Ireland hates EVERYBODY.

egan007

thelordofcheese wrote: »

Didn't they get beaten, captured and most of them executed?

That's a bit of a silly question considering you live in this state....think about it
The point is not what happened to them it's
'Has there eve been a case in Ireland where those protesting are victorious? '

thelordofcheese

egan007 wrote: »

That's a bit of a silly question considering you live in this state....
think about it
The point is not what happened to them it's
'Has there eve been a case in Ireland where those protesting are victorious? '

Not seeing it, sorry......

meditraitor

:cool:What about those crazy Feminists on the Contraception Train in 1970
Irish womans liberation army or something like that.

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/sisters-do-it-92091.html

Earthhorse

Protesting has always been a pretty poor means of achieving social change, not only in Ireland but elsewhere.

People just like doing it cos it's fun.

Pighead

Earthhorse wrote: »

Protesting has always been a pretty poor means of achieving social change, not only in Ireland but elsewhere.

People just like doing it cos it's fun.

He's right you know.
Pighead knows for a fact that FlutterInBantams loves nothing more than a good old fashioned "dirty protest"

meditraitor

Earthhorse wrote: »

Protesting has always been a pretty poor means of achieving social change, not only in Ireland but elsewhere.

People just like doing it cos it's fun.

Although when that protest is in the form of violence it has been known to work strangely enough.

Earthhorse

meditraitor wrote: »

Although when that protest is in the form of violence it has been known to work strangely enough.

Well, if you mean war then I would agree but if you just mean a march where people thrashed some shop fronts, a lot of them were ineffective too.

Fratton Fred

the only real protests that work are when people protest with their vote.

Look at the UK. Labour are in all sorts of ****e, the electorate are fed up with them and they are losing by-election after by-election.

FF on the other hand are everyone's least liked party yet for some strange reason, they are always in power.

Only when people stop voting FF will they listen to people's objections and start facing up to their corrupt sleazy past.

It won't happen though.

meditraitor

Earthhorse wrote: »

Well, if you mean war then I would agree but if you just mean a march where people thrashed some shop fronts, a lot of them were ineffective too.

Although you have the middle ground
I.E - IRA

I.S.T.

Jay D wrote: »

Like recently we've been having students giving out about a reintroduction of fees, the Shell to sea campaign among many other things but is the truth and final decision regardlessly not going to make a blind bit of difference what they do?

Like has there been a case where the government has made a decision and from public uproar changed their mind?

Just curious.

Water Charges back in 1994.

hussey

Mahatma coat wrote: »

Bolloxology, AWA's/Work Choices was a great system, a total revamp of the archaic system that was in place, individualy negotiated contracts with collective bargaining a Fvckin enlightened concept.

the reason that it was scrappedby labour is that it took away the Unions stranglehold on the labourmarket and would hae seriously reduced the power ofthe unions to organise strikes (which was a good thing IMHO)

now we are back to the bad old days of union control in the jobmarket.

the 'Friday Chinese' club that controls the trade unions needs to be eradicated

We can take the political argument to Aus/Politics forum, but as the thread said protesters turned victorious.

Although I don't agree with all Unions, low paid workers were worse off with this system. as far as I remember the first act under this was to fire a bunch of factory workers and re-hire with a pay-cut

pablomakaveli

the people who protested against steve staunton as ireland manager effectively got him the sack.

those wimmin that protested against your man stringfellows club in the dublin also won out there as well.

DublinWriter

IrishSpeedTraps wrote: »

Water Charges back in 1994.

I was waiting for that!

I paid off the Fingal Corporation mortgage on my late mother's house last week. The property was originally purchased in 1974.

I had to pay the water charges plus interest dating from 1994.

This totalled about €400. I had to pay it or they wouldn't release the Title Deeds of the house to me.

Obviously I could have got my solicitor on the case, but I guess like most people, that it would have cost me well over €400 to gamble on bringing Fingal Council to court.

Earthhorse

meditraitor wrote: »

Although you have the middle ground
I.E - IRA

I wouldn't exactly call the IRA middle ground.

panda100

A few from recent years that I can remember:
Sit ins and protests by the 'Campaign for Free Education' fought of the threat of third level fee's a few years back.
Gama workers going on strike for months with numerous protests and succesfully getting the money that was owed to them.
Irish Ferries protest saw thousands on the street and a guarantee by Irish ferries to pay workers the minimum wage.

In my own personal experiences in UCD Its protests and sit ins that have won students better rights over the years, wether its opposing library cutbacks to longer opening hours.

As for Shell to Sea ,Its disgraceful to see the navy has been deployed in to 'protect' Shell in the, soon to be destroyed, beautiful area of Glengad. Surely the navys frist priorties should be protecting Irish waters from drug smugglers and others that use our coast as a gateway to Europe? Yet here they are intimidating locals and using Irish ships to help a unethical corporation that is stealing our gas to sell sell to the highest bidder!

Honey-ec

panda100 wrote: »

As for Shell to Sea ,Its disgraceful to see the navy has been deployed in to 'protect' Shell in the, soon to be destroyed, beautiful area of Glengad. Surely the navys frist priorties should be protecting Irish waters from drug smugglers and others that use our coast as a gateway to Europe? Yet here they are intimidating locals and using Irish ships to help a unethical corporation that is stealing our gas to sell sell to the highest bidder!

You're from Rossport, aren't you?

thelordofcheese

panda100 wrote: »

As for Shell to Sea ,Its disgraceful to see the navy has been deployed in to 'protect' Shell in the, soon to be destroyed, beautiful area of Glengad. Surely the navys frist priorties should be protecting Irish waters from drug smugglers and others that use our coast as a gateway to Europe? Yet here they are intimidating locals and using Irish ships to help a unethical corporation that is stealing our gas to sell sell to the highest bidder!

Shell to sea are morons.

Robbo

thelordofcheese wrote: »

Shell to sea are morons.

It always struck me as a situation where the locals were looking for a nice cash payoff at the start and then when it was co-opted by the professional protesting class, they had to run with the moral and environmental side of it.

Heisenberg.

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panda100

Robbo wrote: »

It always struck me as a situation where the locals were looking for a nice cash payoff at the start and then when it was co-opted by the professional protesting class, they had to run with the moral and environmental side of it.

The locals are and always have been at the forefront of the shell to sea campaign.... and I severly doubt the Rossport Five went to jail to get a nice cash pay off.They were protecting their homes,families and rights as Irish citizens.

The Scientist wrote: »

There was a Love Ulster demonstration in Dublin before.
Lots of Orangemen came down and played their trumpets & drums.

By the end of the day, Irish people embraced their Culture and both Communities rejoyced with gladness.

Lol

Robbo

panda100 wrote: »

The locals are and always have been at the forefront of the shell to sea campaign.... and I severly doubt the Rossport Five went to jail to get a nice cash pay off.They were protecting their homes,families and rights as Irish citizens.

I know the storyline to an episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm when I see one.

Personally I can't wait for when they excavate a fossilised angel or The Beast of Royston Vasey up there.

JuliusCaesar

from my long memory of protests:

the burning of the British Embassy in Merrion Square -protest against internment (achievement: zero)

The PAYE marches (did force the govt. to review it)

against the knocking down of Hume St (achievement: zero)

against the building of the Dublin Corpo bunkers (achievement: zero)

in support of the hunger strikers (achievement: zero)

against Carnsore nuclear plant (never built)

for divorce, for contraception, for right to chose (achievement: mixed)

against Ireland supporting the US in the Iraq war - largest protest since the PAYE mmarches (achievement: zero)

against the shambles that is the Health Service (achievement: zero)

But of course we keep voting the same anti-democratic idiots into power......

Cool_CM

Earthhorse wrote: »

Protesting has always been a pretty poor means of achieving social change, not only in Ireland but elsewhere.

People just like doing it cos it's fun.

Ireland maybe, elsewhere no. We're just lazy and half assed about the way we do things.
Two examples that spring to mind:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wir_sind_das_Volk

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montgomery_Bus_Boycott

Earthhorse

The Scientist wrote: »

There was a Love Ulster demonstration in Dublin before.
Lots of Orangemen came down and played their trumpets & drums.

By the end of the day, Irish people embraced their Culture and both Communities rejoyced with gladness.

'Cept that Charlie Bird fella. There's always one, eh?

Earthhorse

Cool_CM wrote: »

Ireland maybe, elsewhere no. We're just lazy and half assed about the way we do things.

It is still a pretty ineffective means of social change. Not saying it never works, just rarely.