Has there eve been a case in Ireland where those protesting are victorious?

meditraitor · 05-09-2008 11:56AM

Earthhorse wrote: »

Protesting has always been a pretty poor means of achieving social change, not only in Ireland but elsewhere.

People just like doing it cos it's fun.

Although when that protest is in the form of violence it has been known to work strangely enough.

Earthhorse · 05-09-2008 11:58AM

meditraitor wrote: »

Although when that protest is in the form of violence it has been known to work strangely enough.

Well, if you mean war then I would agree but if you just mean a march where people thrashed some shop fronts, a lot of them were ineffective too.

Fratton Fred · 05-09-2008 12:05PM

the only real protests that work are when people protest with their vote.

Look at the UK. Labour are in all sorts of ****e, the electorate are fed up with them and they are losing by-election after by-election.

FF on the other hand are everyone's least liked party yet for some strange reason, they are always in power.

Only when people stop voting FF will they listen to people's objections and start facing up to their corrupt sleazy past.

It won't happen though.

meditraitor · 05-09-2008 12:17PM

Earthhorse wrote: »

Well, if you mean war then I would agree but if you just mean a march where people thrashed some shop fronts, a lot of them were ineffective too.

Although you have the middle ground
I.E - IRA

I.S.T. · 05-09-2008 12:44PM

Jay D wrote: »

Like recently we've been having students giving out about a reintroduction of fees, the Shell to sea campaign among many other things but is the truth and final decision regardlessly not going to make a blind bit of difference what they do?

Like has there been a case where the government has made a decision and from public uproar changed their mind?

Just curious.

Water Charges back in 1994.

hussey · 05-09-2008 01:07PM

Mahatma coat wrote: »

Bolloxology, AWA's/Work Choices was a great system, a total revamp of the archaic system that was in place, individualy negotiated contracts with collective bargaining a Fvckin enlightened concept.

the reason that it was scrappedby labour is that it took away the Unions stranglehold on the labourmarket and would hae seriously reduced the power ofthe unions to organise strikes (which was a good thing IMHO)

now we are back to the bad old days of union control in the jobmarket.

the 'Friday Chinese' club that controls the trade unions needs to be eradicated

We can take the political argument to Aus/Politics forum, but as the thread said protesters turned victorious.

Although I don't agree with all Unions, low paid workers were worse off with this system. as far as I remember the first act under this was to fire a bunch of factory workers and re-hire with a pay-cut

pablomakaveli · 05-09-2008 01:14PM

the people who protested against steve staunton as ireland manager effectively got him the sack.

those wimmin that protested against your man stringfellows club in the dublin also won out there as well.

DublinWriter · 05-09-2008 01:14PM

IrishSpeedTraps wrote: »

Water Charges back in 1994.

I was waiting for that!

I paid off the Fingal Corporation mortgage on my late mother's house last week. The property was originally purchased in 1974.

I had to pay the water charges plus interest dating from 1994.

This totalled about €400. I had to pay it or they wouldn't release the Title Deeds of the house to me.

Obviously I could have got my solicitor on the case, but I guess like most people, that it would have cost me well over €400 to gamble on bringing Fingal Council to court.

Earthhorse · 05-09-2008 01:16PM

meditraitor wrote: »

Although you have the middle ground
I.E - IRA

I wouldn't exactly call the IRA middle ground.

panda100 · 05-09-2008 01:25PM

A few from recent years that I can remember:
Sit ins and protests by the 'Campaign for Free Education' fought of the threat of third level fee's a few years back.
Gama workers going on strike for months with numerous protests and succesfully getting the money that was owed to them.
Irish Ferries protest saw thousands on the street and a guarantee by Irish ferries to pay workers the minimum wage.

In my own personal experiences in UCD Its protests and sit ins that have won students better rights over the years, wether its opposing library cutbacks to longer opening hours.

As for Shell to Sea ,Its disgraceful to see the navy has been deployed in to 'protect' Shell in the, soon to be destroyed, beautiful area of Glengad. Surely the navys frist priorties should be protecting Irish waters from drug smugglers and others that use our coast as a gateway to Europe? Yet here they are intimidating locals and using Irish ships to help a unethical corporation that is stealing our gas to sell sell to the highest bidder!

Honey-ec · 05-09-2008 01:38PM

panda100 wrote: »

As for Shell to Sea ,Its disgraceful to see the navy has been deployed in to 'protect' Shell in the, soon to be destroyed, beautiful area of Glengad. Surely the navys frist priorties should be protecting Irish waters from drug smugglers and others that use our coast as a gateway to Europe? Yet here they are intimidating locals and using Irish ships to help a unethical corporation that is stealing our gas to sell sell to the highest bidder!

You're from Rossport, aren't you?

thelordofcheese · 05-09-2008 01:40PM

panda100 wrote: »

As for Shell to Sea ,Its disgraceful to see the navy has been deployed in to 'protect' Shell in the, soon to be destroyed, beautiful area of Glengad. Surely the navys frist priorties should be protecting Irish waters from drug smugglers and others that use our coast as a gateway to Europe? Yet here they are intimidating locals and using Irish ships to help a unethical corporation that is stealing our gas to sell sell to the highest bidder!

Shell to sea are morons.

Robbo · 05-09-2008 01:44PM

thelordofcheese wrote: »

Shell to sea are morons.

It always struck me as a situation where the locals were looking for a nice cash payoff at the start and then when it was co-opted by the professional protesting class, they had to run with the moral and environmental side of it.

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panda100 · 05-09-2008 01:57PM

Robbo wrote: »

It always struck me as a situation where the locals were looking for a nice cash payoff at the start and then when it was co-opted by the professional protesting class, they had to run with the moral and environmental side of it.

The locals are and always have been at the forefront of the shell to sea campaign.... and I severly doubt the Rossport Five went to jail to get a nice cash pay off.They were protecting their homes,families and rights as Irish citizens.

The Scientist wrote: »

There was a Love Ulster demonstration in Dublin before.
Lots of Orangemen came down and played their trumpets & drums.

By the end of the day, Irish people embraced their Culture and both Communities rejoyced with gladness.

Lol

Robbo · 05-09-2008 02:02PM

panda100 wrote: »

The locals are and always have been at the forefront of the shell to sea campaign.... and I severly doubt the Rossport Five went to jail to get a nice cash pay off.They were protecting their homes,families and rights as Irish citizens.

I know the storyline to an episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm when I see one.

Personally I can't wait for when they excavate a fossilised angel or The Beast of Royston Vasey up there.

JuliusCaesar · 05-09-2008 02:18PM

from my long memory of protests:

the burning of the British Embassy in Merrion Square -protest against internment (achievement: zero)

The PAYE marches (did force the govt. to review it)

against the knocking down of Hume St (achievement: zero)

against the building of the Dublin Corpo bunkers (achievement: zero)

in support of the hunger strikers (achievement: zero)

against Carnsore nuclear plant (never built)

for divorce, for contraception, for right to chose (achievement: mixed)

against Ireland supporting the US in the Iraq war - largest protest since the PAYE mmarches (achievement: zero)

against the shambles that is the Health Service (achievement: zero)

But of course we keep voting the same anti-democratic idiots into power......

Cool_CM · 05-09-2008 02:28PM

Earthhorse wrote: »

Protesting has always been a pretty poor means of achieving social change, not only in Ireland but elsewhere.

People just like doing it cos it's fun.

Ireland maybe, elsewhere no. We're just lazy and half assed about the way we do things.
Two examples that spring to mind:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wir_sind_das_Volk

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montgomery_Bus_Boycott

Earthhorse · 05-09-2008 02:29PM

The Scientist wrote: »

There was a Love Ulster demonstration in Dublin before.
Lots of Orangemen came down and played their trumpets & drums.

By the end of the day, Irish people embraced their Culture and both Communities rejoyced with gladness.

'Cept that Charlie Bird fella. There's always one, eh?

Earthhorse · 05-09-2008 02:49PM

Cool_CM wrote: »

Ireland maybe, elsewhere no. We're just lazy and half assed about the way we do things.

It is still a pretty ineffective means of social change. Not saying it never works, just rarely.

lostexpectation · 05-09-2008 03:06PM

may i suggest the rossport 5

javaboy · 05-09-2008 03:20PM

The Dunnes Stores checkout chicks were fairly successful. They didn't end apartheid but they did get some serious attention for the issue and forced Dunnes into a bit of a policy change I think.

starn · 10-09-2008 04:46PM

Just been listening to Maura Harrington on The Last Word. She is coming across very badley. She dosent seem to have any idea what exactly the Shell to Seas long terms demands are. She is coming across as nothing better then a busey body with nothing better do.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 10-09-2008 04:56PM

thelordofcheese wrote: »

Shell to sea are morons.

Exactly what I mean by lack of solidarity. If they wanted to build a pipeline across Castle Cheese, I'm sure the Lord wouldn't roll over and let them.

First the came for Mayo, but I did not stand up, for I do not give a sh1t what happens in Mayo. Then they came for...

starn · 10-09-2008 05:02PM

So exactly what is wrong with what is happening in Mayo NOW. I dont mean five or six years ago. I mean now. All I can see is a Woman who is employed by the dept of education and has been pulling sickies for the last while and has still kept her job. Now that is something I have a problem with. I havent seen anyone from Shell trying to knock ndown Gaurds in there car. This woman should be in jail and paying the state back the money she has aquired from it thru fraud

thelordofcheese · 10-09-2008 05:05PM

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Exactly what I mean by lack of solidarity. If they wanted to build a pipeline across Castle Cheese, I'm sure the Lord wouldn't roll over and let them.

First the came for Mayo, but I did not stand up, for I do not give a sh1t what happens in Mayo. Then they came for...

They tried to hold out for a nice big wad of cash, and then that wasn't forthcoming they changed tune and started to bleat about the environment and the Chil-hur-ennnnn.

I have no sympathy for them because they let their greed run rampant.

starn · 10-09-2008 05:08PM

thelordofcheese wrote: »

They tried to hold out for a nice big wad of cash, and then that wasn't forthcoming they changed tune and started to bleat about the environment and the Chil-hur-ennnnn.

I have no sympathy for them because they let their greed run rampant.

Exactly. Let her starve if she wants. It wont change anything.

Gareth37 · 14-10-2008 03:24PM

Jay D wrote: »

Like recently we've been having students giving out about a reintroduction of fees, the Shell to sea campaign among many other things but is the truth and final decision regardlessly not going to make a blind bit of difference what they do?

Like has there been a case where the government has made a decision and from public uproar changed their mind?

Just curious.

The introduction of MMDS TV in Donegal. The people won!

Darragh29 · 14-10-2008 03:37PM

Well remember BUPA being ordered to pay the VHI millions in risk equalisation scheme payments???

Here's a good example of the Minister for Stupid Decisions & Hopspital Trollies being taken down to Chinatown!

http://www.courts.ie/Judgments.nsf/09859e7a3f34669680256ef3004a27de/163e69db2e4a19e880257488002d186b?OpenDocument

optogirl · 20-10-2010 04:38PM

Earthhorse wrote: »

Protesting has always been a pretty poor means of achieving social change, not only in Ireland but elsewhere.

People just like doing it cos it's fun.

What about the Dunnes Stores Strikers - went out on strike for nearly 3 years through all weathers and were subject to dogs abuse - don't think it was much fun for them. They did however achieve sanctions on South African produce and set the ball rolling that led to the end of the apartheid system there.

Has there eve been a case in Ireland where those protesting are victorious?

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