Dublin Bus route 145 :(

SickCert · 01-10-2010 04:11PM

devnull wrote: »

Any idea what come of the observations?

Meeting on Tuesday in Donnybrook, multicoloured crayons ordered this could be serious!

ronn · 01-10-2010 09:38PM

union reps were at kilmac and hueston today and a few inspectors were at loughlinstown and brewery rd,,

took 47 mins to get from kilmac to windsor herbert this morning on the 08.30. so much for the ten mins thats on the time table.
got 1hr to drive empty from db to hueston, got 40mins to work from db to hueston

foggy_lad · 02-10-2010 12:41AM

Just looked at the timetable for that wreck of a service and it gives only 8 minutes to get from heuston to d'olier street:D:D

What complete muppet decided busses could do that in 8minutes??

AlekSmart · 02-10-2010 01:28AM

What complete muppet decided busses could do that in 8minutes??

Fanfare of Trumpets....The National Transport Authority...coming soon to a muppet theatre near YOU !!

SickCert · 02-10-2010 09:50AM

foggy_lad wrote: »

Just looked at the timetable for that wreck of a service and it gives only 8 minutes to get from heuston to d'olier street:D:D

What complete muppet decided busses could do that in 8minutes??

Here young Foggy, here the Donnybrook side of the operations. CLICK

foggy_lad · 02-10-2010 10:42AM

THey turned a superbus into a complete sham.

Is there too many managers or just too high a level of incompetence within their gene pool?

Bazzer2 · 02-10-2010 11:11AM

foggy_lad wrote: »

THey turned a superbus into a complete sham.

Is there too many managers or just too high a level of incompetence within their gene pool?

Smacks to me of both . . .

AlekSmart · 02-10-2010 01:22PM

THey turned a superbus into a complete sham.

Is there too many managers or just too high a level of incompetence within their gene pool?

Item 1 Foggy_Lad is undeniable (To Customers)

Item 2,however,is somewhat more difficult to address.

It is all to easy for people to point the finger at this manager or that manager and denigrate them.

The reality is,that like the Country as a whole,our Senior Management now find themselves in a highly difficult situation indeed.

A large part of this is due to the presence of the "Political" element in our Business and the inability of Senior Management to make decisions based upon sound public service or commerciality due to neither element being acceptable to the Minister of the day.

It is little surprise that the greatest periods of ACTUAL change in Company ethos came about under the stewardship of two Non-National CX`s,Bob Montgomery and Alan Westwell.

I have little doubt that the events of the past week might not have been so easily accepted had Dr Westwell (a regular 46A user) been sitting in his usual position at the front nearside top seat.

I still remain of the opinion that Public Transport can and should be a prime focus of Government Social policy during times of recession.

It is self-evident that as the country`s depressive state deepens that Private Motoring is becoming what it always was,something which many will be unable to afford as their income nosedives.

Surely if we have a Government which is prepared to spend €10-€15 million on a less than critical PostCode system,there is somebody who can see the need to maintain the ability of people to travel within the State..or has the apparent disconnection of Green Party leadership infected the entire Government ?

Either way,to return to the latest DB Network Direct fiasco,I`d hold off on demanding a Management head just yet until we see whether the real villan of the piece can be smoked out of his Royal County hideaway.

KC61 · 02-10-2010 03:06PM

foggy_lad wrote: »

Just looked at the timetable for that wreck of a service and it gives only 8 minutes to get from heuston to d'olier street:D:D

What complete muppet decided busses could do that in 8minutes??

The intermediate times in the public timetable are stated to be off-peak estimates and not the actual times for the entire day.

The biggest problem with the 145 schedule is that the peak running times are not sufficient to do the journey, nor are the intermediate times at Donnybrook for driver changeovers. I suspect that based on the meetings above, internal rosters will change - they will have to as the service is not delivering.

To the specific point of Heuston to the city, I can say that as someone who travels along the quays most days of the week, it normally takes no more than 10 minutes from Heuston Bridge to D'Olier Street.

foggy_lad · 03-10-2010 12:01PM

Ten minutes from heuston bridge hmmm ok so from the station? Stopped at the lights exiting the station 2minutes, stopped at the bridge another 2minutes, across the bridge then onto the quays where good progress can be made if the lights stay green and if nobody wants to get off or on. Still adds up to more than ten minutes even at off peak times.

KD345 · 03-10-2010 03:07PM

10 minutes seems pretty accurate off peak. It does not take 4 minutes for a bus to cross the Liffey from Heuston Station. It's then a bus lane the whole way down the quays with only 5 stops.

It's been discussed here many times how the bus is quicker than Luas in getting to O'Connell Street.

thomasj · 03-10-2010 03:16PM

KD345 wrote: »

10 minutes seems pretty accurate off peak. It does not take 4 minutes for a bus to cross the Liffey from Heuston Station. It's then a bus lane the whole way down the quays with only 5 stops.

It's been discussed here many times how the bus is quicker than Luas in getting to O'Connell Street.

+1 getting a 39/a in the morning and it normally takes 5 minutes to get from the James Joyce bridge to ormond quay bridge. The bus lane on the quays has made a huge difference!

ChillyJilly · 04-10-2010 12:39PM

Just noticed this thread. I live just off Kilbride Lane in Bray, and have had wildly varying experiences of the new timetable.

The mornings are excellent, buses are more frequent and i'm into work quicker. (Get the bus at around 7.30 each morning, give or take 10 minutes, and work near Leeson Street).

The evenings however are a complete nightmare most days. An example of this was Friday just gone (Friday 1st October).
I arrived at the bus stop at 5.15, just missed a 145 (but according to a lady at the stop it didnt stop anyway as it was too full). Waited for next one in "10 minutes" time. None came. As I was in a rush to get home (and had left work early specifically) I got the Kilcoole 84X which arrived at approx 5.40.

I am lucky as I can get this one and get off at Southern Cross and walk from the garage to my house (20 mins walk max).

So far no problem (apart from waiting 25 minutes for a 145, but I'll let that go since I had other options!)

However, when I got to Southern Cross (at approx 6.20) and started walking down. I was at the garage and 2 145's passed bumper to bumper going to Kilmac. "Must have been one of the ones I missed" I thought.

Then another 145 passed, along with another one, and then another. So in the space of time it took me to walk from the garage at Southern Cross to well before the Graveyard in Ballywaltrim, in total 5 145's had passed me heading towards Kilmac.

Where were all these buses when I was waiting on Leeson Street?! It is possible that I missed all 5 of these, but in fairness that it is a high enough frequency to have before 5.15 (and then none afterwards for 30 minutes!)

dfx- · 04-10-2010 06:40PM

Can we say the EV has failed its big (nee impossible) test?

What is the luggage space on a crowded VT like....?

Telchak · 04-10-2010 06:56PM

Noticed a VT being used this afternoon as a 145, first time I've seen this. Don't know if there's any significance to this considering the recent problems with the 145, as I the one I seen wasn't at a very busy time of day =/

joegriffinjnr · 04-10-2010 07:03PM

VT,s are now a regular thing on the 145.

KC61 · 04-10-2010 07:21PM

Telchak wrote: »

Noticed a VT being used this afternoon as a 145, first time I've seen this. Don't know if there's any significance to this considering the recent problems with the 145, as I the one I seen wasn't at a very busy time of day =/

Bizarrely enough most of the bus fleet tends to be out all of the day and not just at peak hour!

Telchak · 04-10-2010 07:31PM

KC61 wrote: »

Bizarrely enough most of the bus fleet tends to be out all of the day and not just at peak hour!

I meant that I would have thought it would work the 145 at peak and maybe go to a 46A off peak :P

joegriffinjnr · 04-10-2010 07:33PM

Telchak wrote: »

I meant that I would have thought it would work the 145 at peak and maybe go to a 46A off peak :P

Donnybrook now have 30 VT,s so there is enough for the two routes.

foggy_lad · 04-10-2010 08:33PM

Are drivers holding busses at heuston until they have a decent headcount? This might explain some of the 3 at once that is happening?

KC61 · 04-10-2010 08:53PM

Telchak wrote: »

I meant that I would have thought it would work the 145 at peak and maybe go to a 46A off peak :P

They are two completely separate routes with different driver and bus allocations.

In fact they operate from two separate depots - the 145 is from Donnybrook 1 and the 46a from Donnybrook 2.

AlekSmart · 04-10-2010 10:05PM

Are drivers holding busses at heuston until they have a decent headcount? This might explain some of the 3 at once that is happening

Not a hope Foggy_Lad..BUT,the Stance Inspector most certainly MAY hold Drivers beyond their scheduled departure time in order to address his percieved concerns at loadings....Go Figure

foggy_lad · 04-10-2010 11:29PM

AlekSmart wrote: »

Not a hope Foggy_Lad..BUT,the Stance Inspector most certainly MAY hold Drivers beyond their scheduled departure time in order to address his percieved concerns at loadings....Go Figure

ok so the busses that were there today with no stand inspector in evidence were spending a lot longer than 10 minutes at heuston station.

AlekSmart · 05-10-2010 05:30AM

ok so the busses that were there today with no stand inspector in evidence were spending a lot longer than 10 minutes at heuston station.

Ah Foggy_Lad thats an easy one....you obviously did`nt spot the secret Push Button A/B Phone Kiosk wherein the Stance Inspector cowers and communicates his desires .....BY RADIO WAVES,No Less......;)

foggy_lad · 05-10-2010 11:55AM

AlekSmart wrote: »

Ah Foggy_Lad thats an easy one....you obviously did`nt spot the secret Push Button A/B Phone Kiosk wherein the Stance Inspector cowers and communicates his desires .....BY RADIO WAVES,No Less......;)

oh this is very interesting so he could think he is telling a driver to depart heuston when in fact said driver could be anywhere along the route or on an unscheduled break but claiming to be in heuston ready to depart.

stop · 05-10-2010 12:37PM

foggy_lad wrote: »

oh this is very interesting so he could think he is telling a driver to depart heuston when in fact said driver could be anywhere along the route or on an unscheduled break but claiming to be in heuston ready to depart.

AVL will eliminate this. Maybe then you can stop blaming drivers for everything?

AlekSmart · 05-10-2010 01:06PM

Oh this is very interesting so he could think he is telling a driver to depart heuston when in fact said driver could be anywhere along the route or on an unscheduled break but claiming to be in heuston ready to depart.

Does anybody remember the Rowan & Martin Laugh-In on TV years back.......the guy in the German helmet that always went...."Verrrrry Innnterersting" whilst smoking a cigarette a lá Humpy Bogart...why that image pops up now I have absolutely no idea..:rolleyes:

But sorry I digress....Foggy_Lad is absolutely correct,the Stance Inspector may not actually be on stance at all..in fact he could be in his/her bed and the actual bus could even be in Kilmechanical....in facta the entire fleet could be there whilst the drivers play push-penny,sip soda or arrange yet another 110% mortgage on a Bulgarian villa.....:)

However,the last time I saw the Stance Inspector at Heuston,he was most definitely on-site and in surrounded by a sea of curious (and angry) humanity all demanding answers...
But again ,I concede that was probably an off-day and the more usual occurrence would be as Foggy_Lad surmises.....as it makes for a FAR more inventive,interesting,informative and opionated post...:rolleyes:

Stop sez.....

AVL will eliminate this. Maybe then you can stop blaming drivers for everything?

Sorry Stop,but I very much doubt the second part of that post...:D

Victor · 05-10-2010 08:02PM

I've been on a route 90 that got as far as the Customs House in 7 minutes (then took another 20 to get to Connolly

).

foggy_lad wrote: »

ok so the busses that were there today with no stand inspector in evidence were spending a lot longer than 10 minutes at heuston station.

Of course, this is perfectly OK provided a bus leaves Heuston every ten minutes - some buses may have completed their journeys early.

foggy_lad · 05-10-2010 08:35PM

Victor wrote: »

I've been on a route 90 that got as far as the Customs House in 7 minutes (then took another 20 to get to Connolly ).Of course, this is perfectly OK provided a bus leaves Heuston every ten minutes - some buses may have completed their journeys early.

yes, but there was only one bus waiting at heuston for over 10 minutes and the previous one had left about 10 minutes before that so about 20 minutes between them, the bus that was waiting looked fairly full too so should probably have left 10 minutes after the last one.

i have also been on 92s that took upwards of 15 minutes to get to the four courts, most of the time was spent turning out of heuston and crossing the river onto the quays.

AlekSmart · 05-10-2010 09:54PM

Most of the time was spent turning out of heuston and crossing the river onto the quays.

+100% with Foggy_Lad on this one.

I believe there is some scope to improve the Bus Priority here as it is most definitely not configured for a high-frequency trunk route.

Perhaps the QBN Office would care to get involved here BEFORE the extension of the 7 route to Heuston.....as the song goes...Perhaps...Perhaps...Perhaps

Dublin Bus route 145 :(

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