General Election

Jeboa Safari · 01-10-2010 11:03pm

It's a pity the opposition is so weak at a time when we need them to be at their best. Fine Gael are handicapped with Kenny and his supporters at the helm, instead of having their strongest tds in their best positions, Labour have no plan and would probably strengthen the unions, and together with Fine Gael, always just attack everything the government do instead of doing something constructive. I don't think I'd ever vote for Greens, wouldn't even consider it at this stage, wouldn't trust Sinn Fein and their backward policies, and Fianna Fail don't deserve to be in government for the next decade at least. Then the minor parties like the Socialists and the People before profit would destroy the country quicker than the bank even during the good times, so can't imagine what they'd do now. Load of independents getting elected will do the country no good either and only leave us with the usual nonsense of them lending their support in return for keeping hospitals or building roads.
Need to change the system of voting too I think.

dvpower · 01-10-2010 11:03pm

seven-iron wrote: »

Fianna Fail will stay in government after the GE next May/June for many reasons.

Fire away so.

seven-iron wrote: »

A) FF have bailed out the financial sector and not individuals (via pension gaurantees). Ok I admit, it is socialism for capitalists but our economy will return to growth sooner

The only tiny problem with this analysis is that it is people, not corporates, that vote in elections. That, and the fact that FF oversaw that entire meltdown in the first place.

seven-iron wrote: »

FF unlike FG & L can play the FDI game. In that they can sell Ireland Inc to multinationals and other govts. This will be important in the years ahead in creating jobs.

Last time I checked it was the likes of Enterprise Ireland that did the work in attracting FDI. I'd be concerned that labour might adjust the Corp. tax rate, but to suggest that only FF can attract FDI is patent nonsense.

seven-iron wrote: »

C) As stated in a previous post; they are not hitting the wealthy with (relatively) increased taxes. This will filter down into the rest of the economy

As alluded to above, it is the entire population (growing poorer by the day) that vote in elections.

seven-iron wrote: »

D) No credible alternative to lead.

I've wasted my time, haven't I?:mad:

Pherekydes · 01-10-2010 11:07pm

seven-iron wrote: »

If Labour get into office, we are turning the lights off in Ireland for a generation.

People think they are making the decision to vote for Labour rationally. They need to start thinking why they want to vote for them, and not this 'voting in spite of others' carry on.

We've had enough of the eFFers. You think their policies of favouring the rich are the right ones? That they will lead to a trickle-down effect? They don't. The policies of greed lead to the likes of Ahern, Harney and Cowen. The crumbs don't fall on the floor. The greedy are greedy for a reason. And when the greedy are left to their own devices (i.e. No regulation) the results are devastating.

seven-iron · 01-10-2010 11:36pm

We've had enough of the eFFers. You think their policies of favouring the rich are the right ones? That they will lead to a trickle-down effect? They don't. The policies of greed lead to the likes of Ahern, Harney and Cowen. The crumbs don't fall on the floor. The greedy are greedy for a reason. And when the greedy are left to their own devices (i.e. No regulation) the results are devastating.

Greedy? Im not really sure what your point is.

In relation to the bolded writing, yes it does in fact trickle down. It is quite a basic economic fact. In all nations, the people who invest are the upper class who have savings. Individuals with savings invest. Investment creates jobs. You attack their savings, you attack prospective investment.

I've wasted my time, haven't I?

No

The only tiny problem with this analysis is that it is people, not corporates, that vote in elections. That, and the fact that FF oversaw that entire meltdown in the first place.

So, do you admit the merit in the Fianna Fail approach? Do you not agree that this is beneficial to the well being of our economy [and by extension us!]?

Last time I checked it was the likes of Enterprise Ireland that did the work in attracting FDI. I'd be concerned that labour might adjust the Corp. tax rate, but to suggest that only FF can attract FDI is patent nonsense.

You mean our IDA not enterprise Ireland. Well it is our figure heads who have the real bargaining power. IDA by and large is apart of the governments strategy for Ireland. It does much of the work yes. I would argue it is our leaders who drive this.

As alluded to above, it is the entire population (growing poorer by the day) that vote in elections.

Thats a little bit sensationalist. America, the UK, Spain, Japan are all in a period of contraction. People everywhere are in trouble, not just Ireland. This results in individuals and families running into difficulty growing their wealth. Or in many cases as you are rightly saying, just stay above water. However, unemployment is still 'only' 13%. The unemployed are shouting loudest about how Ireland is like Greece etc. So, my point... my point is that yes many people are dissatisfied with our current leaders, but I believe many will conclude that they are comparatively better than any other party.

Mark200 · 01-10-2010 11:37pm

thebigcheese22 wrote: »

http://www.labour.ie/policy/ :rolleyes:

Fair enough if you don't like the policies but at least acknowledge they friggin exist.

The post was: "Labour hasn't outlined how it intends to deal with the Economic crisis... " :rolleyes:

Their policies on education and sport have nothing to do with the economic crisis.

th3 s1aught3r · 01-10-2010 11:51pm

seven-iron wrote: »

So, do you admit the merit in the Fianna Fail approach? Do you not agree that this is beneficial to the well being of our economy [and by extension us!]?

Are you a member of Fianna Fail by any chance ?

seven-iron · 01-10-2010 11:53pm

th3 s1aught3r wrote: »

seven-iron wrote: »

So, do you admit the merit in the Fianna Fail approach? Do you not agree that this is beneficial to the well being of our economy [and by extension us!]?

Are you a member of Fianna Fail by any chance ?

What do you mean by chance?
To answer your question, no.

If I was, I wouldnt be posting here anyway!

th3 s1aught3r · 01-10-2010 11:53pm

seven-iron wrote: »

So, do you admit the merit in the Fianna Fail approach? Do you not agree that this is beneficial to the well being of our economy [and by extension us!]?

Are you a member of Fianna Fail by any chance ?

Enter Username · 01-10-2010 11:59pm

seven-iron wrote: »

Fianna Fail.

Their good for business in Ireland.

They look after people with wealth, for instance low capital tax rates and high inheritance thresholds.

Ultimately, that is right objective to have. Wealthy families and individuals will get this country back to growth with renewed investment. How will they invest... by having surplus funds derived from favorable governmental policies.

Holy **** - I really hope this is a tongue-in-cheek post because if there are still people in Ireland who think like this we ARE screwed !!

Enter Username · 02-10-2010 12:11am

Cmdr Keen wrote: »

Labour hasn't outlined how it intends to deal with the Economic crisis...

It hasn't even released any policy information... so I'm not really sure how they have so much support? They could sink the country in a week I fear... and the people that vote for them would be non the wiser...

So why vote Labour folks, if you don't actually know what they'll do?

This is the exact reason why Ireland will never be able to move on from traditional Fine Fáil. Fine Gael politics. A simple look on labour.ie and you will see the polices you say they are lacking but instead ignorant voters have already made up their mind about who they will vote for

K-9 · 02-10-2010 12:21am

The Monster Raving Looney Party option.

I'm spoilt for choice.

thebigcheese22 · 02-10-2010 12:28am

Cmdr Keen wrote: »

If somebody could give a valid reason for voting Labour, it would be great! Just one even!!!

- They were the only party in the Dail that voted against the guarantee and subsequent bailouts. (surely a major factor considering the **** that this country is in due to the consequences of that action)

- They have credible economic policies, such as the Strategic Investment Bank, that would invest capital into worthwhile SME's, instead of putting it in the black hole that is Anglo

- Gilmore was the only leader in the Dail willing to stand up to John O Donoghue after his outrageous expenses - FG and Kenny were too afraid to upset the gravy train

- They showed a genuine concern for our economy and workforce in the pair controversy at the start of the week - FG just looked like they were electioneering and caring more about Dail seats than the economic well-being of the country

- They have a track record of performing well in Government - particularly economically (Ruairi Quinn was the only MoF to record a budget surplus, and he laid the foundations for the Celtic Tiger, which FF subsequently hijacked and destroyed)

That's 5 off the top of my head, I can give ya more if I had the time, but I'm knackered!

Son Of A Vidic · 02-10-2010 12:29am

seven-iron wrote: »

Fianna Fail.

Their good for business in Ireland.

They look after people with wealth, for instance low capital tax rates and high inheritance thresholds.

Ultimately, that is right objective to have. Wealthy families and individuals will get this country back to growth with renewed investment. How will they invest... by having surplus funds derived from favorable governmental policies.

I applaud your wonderful logic, let's have another 13 years of them. Haven't they done a great job indeed. Surplus funds and favourable governmental policy - hey I just saw a pig flying past my window. I can assure you, thanks to FF, it will be along time before this country has surplus funds again.

orourkeda · 02-10-2010 12:31am

The big hairy fanny party

hobochris · 02-10-2010 12:36am

seven-iron wrote: »

If you didn't understand my response its ok.

Your username seems very apt. Although thats an insult to hobos who aren't idiots.

Your post (which borders on trolling), is basically saying that we should vote FF because, in your opinion, they pander to the needs of a few,who have wealth and hope that in return these wealthy people will invest within our economy(an economy which due to bad regulation of FF any international investor with an ounce of cop on is staying well clear of), Whats in it for them, Except high risk and low return?

Now which part of their policy is good for business in Ireland? because it certainly is not the red tape imposed on Irish SME's.
Nor is it the lip service paid to strugling irish business that they are making credit available for working capital for businesses.
Nor is it the bankruptcy laws in this country.
Nor the lack of social support for CEO's should their businesses fail, despite paying prsi.

They have had 13 years to fix this, yet its still the same.

FF are a one trick pony, Advertise our low corporate tax rate(which is all we really have to offer IMO) to multinationals and hope they set up shop here.

They claim that we have a skilled workforce, yes we do have people here with these high tech skills(myself included), but by the time this mess is sorted and our economy resembles even in the slightest anything like an attractive environment for these skilled workers, They will have long gone, emigrated to greener pastures and settled(a whole generation of marketable, experience workers gone).

To FF more jobs mean bringing in a multinational, Here's a radical thought, how about encourage and nurture indigenous industry here.

The fact you seem oblivious to the current climate and blindly spout FF soundbites, makes your childish attempt at an insult all the more humorous.

As like many of your FF supporting counterparts You find yourself wanting and clutching at straws for a reply when someone points out the elephant in the room(even if the subtlety is lacking in doing so, as per my previous post).

seven-iron · 02-10-2010 12:47am

Now which part of their policy is good for business in Ireland?

Low tax rates for wealthy individuals. (If you dont agree look at the new tax laws coming on stream in the UK) I will provide more information on this again.
Free education for all.
Low CT rate.
Significant grant aid made available from EI.

FF are a one trick pony, Advertise our low corporate tax rate(which is all we really have to offer IMO) to multinationals and hope they set up shop here

Have you been down to the IFSC? Ireland punches well above its weight in terms of winning FDI.

To FF more jobs mean bring in a multinational, Here's a radical thought, how about encourage and nature indigenous industry here.

Yes because FG and Labour have proposed many alternatives. Go to Labour.ie and go to 'our ideas'. Not one economic policy document.

google faps · 02-10-2010 12:55am

Who can you vote for?

Fine Gael? Blueshirts. Lead by a gormless fool. Kept as quiet as possible during expenses scandals which would lead one to believe that they're at it too or would be if they had the chance.

Labour? The dole party. Not to be trusted to run a country. Junior coalition partners maybe, but not running it. Don't appear to have any policies and the ones they do have scare me, such is the ignorance displayed therein.

Greens? Not a ****ing hope. I don't mind paying tax or paying increased tax, but if they get their way, there'll eventually be a taking a shíte tax. Useless party bereft of common sense.

Sinn Fein? Nah.

Independent? Pointless. All these independents run on some 'issue of the moment' topic. Get elected (the ones that do) and a year or so later are up to their eyeballs in expenses having forgotten all about the cause they were elected to sort out.

Who else is there?

th3 s1aught3r · 02-10-2010 1:09am

Only the mentally retarded would vote for Fianna Fail again.
Saying there is no alternative is not a valid reason any more
Thats like voting for Hitler because the opposition is not that great

google faps · 02-10-2010 1:10am

th3 s1aught3r wrote: »

Only the mentally retarded would vote for Fianna Fail again.
Saying there is no alternative is not a valid reason any more
Thats like voting for Hitler because the opposition is not that great

Nah, it's not though is it.

laugh · 02-10-2010 1:12am

Where did all the Labour support come from?

If they try appease any of the groups they are in bed with we will be doubly fucked.

KnifeWRENCH · 02-10-2010 1:31am

Labour or Independents, probably. FF have certainly fcuked things up way too much to justify voting for them again; there are still a few good eggs in that party but they're few and far between. And as for FG, I do not want a sneering, bloodless and gormless leader of a Christian centre-right party as Taoiseach. Again, I'm sure they have a few good eggs in there somewhere but looking at the majority of their front bench does not fill me with confidence.

Mankyspuds · 02-10-2010 2:28am

Cmdr Keen wrote: »

If somebody could give a valid reason for voting Labour, it would be great! Just one even!!!

1!!! I'll give you a few

Vote FG - Enda is a donkey

Vote FF - Gerrup outta that!!

Vote Shinners - Fúck off, their leaders brother likes givin it to kids

Vote Green - I'd be wasting my vote, complete waste, might aswell incinerate it.... tumble weed

Vote Independent - Quite Possibly

Vote Labour - They appear to have a good few smart fúckers and they got Joan Burton!! mmmmmmmmmm jooaann buurrttoonn

Mankyspuds · 02-10-2010 2:30am

hobochris wrote: »

Your post (which borders on trolling).

What the hell is trolling??

flynnlives · 02-10-2010 2:51am

seven-iron wrote: »

Low tax rates for wealthy individuals. (If you dont agree look at the new tax laws coming on stream in the UK) I will provide more information on this again.

Free education for all.

Low CT rate.

Significant grant aid made available from EI

Yes because FG and Labour have proposed many alternatives. Go to Labour.ie and go to 'our ideas'. Not one economic policy document.

Tell me who introduced our current low corporation tax of 12.5% and who introduced free third level education?

I think you will find it wasnt FF.

In fact our 12.5% was introduced by Ruari Quinn, can you tell me which party he is a member of?
The rainbow coalition of 94-97 introduced free third level fees.
I think you will also see that that particular gov left the country in growth, declining unemployment, and a budget surplus!

Contrast that with what FF will leave us with!!

Now next time you go posting rubbish do some research, good man!

02-10-2010 3:01am

Mankyspuds wrote: »

mmm joan burtonnnn

Very electable lady, but yech. You, my friend, have some very odd tastes.

Nailz · 02-10-2010 8:56am

The communist party.

meditraitor · 02-10-2010 9:27am

Cmdr Keen wrote: »

OK, you are an absolute eijit tbh... you will vote for a party with no aims.. .I really hope there isn't many like you!

There are many like him out there and the fact that FF/FG supporters have little in the way of real dirt to sling at Labour shows that there will be more.

You just keep up the good work, its nice little sly digs like this that will force the undecided population to go Labour.

02-10-2010 9:28am

you should be able to pick more than one..
Il be voting Labour, and if they run a candidate the socialist workers party..
Im really hoping there could be some sort of coalition of the left after the next GE..
Oh, and id vote for Mings party, if he has one..

Terry · 02-10-2010 9:47am

kraggy wrote: »

How about an option for "not voting"?

Up until now, I have always lambasted people for not voting as I saw it as such an important civil duty.

But it's got to the stage now that I feel so dismayed that I really don't think I'll vote for anyone. There is nobody in Dáil Eireann that I think could help us at this stage.

I wish some credible, skilled, talented, knowledgable, qualified people would be willing to run, or be encouraged by a movement of the people to run e.g. Shane Ross or some group of economists who actually know what they're doing.

When you don't vote, FF get into power.

MagicMarker · 02-10-2010 10:18am

Mankyspuds wrote: »

What the hell is trolling??

Welcome to the internet.

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