General Election

Wibbs

Jeboa Safari wrote: »

It's a pity the opposition is so weak at a time when we need them to be at their best. Fine Gael are handicapped with Kenny and his supporters at the helm, instead of having their strongest tds in their best positions, Labour have no plan and would probably strengthen the unions, and together with Fine Gael, always just attack everything the government do instead of doing something constructive. I don't think I'd ever vote for Greens, wouldn't even consider it at this stage, wouldn't trust Sinn Fein and their backward policies, and Fianna Fail don't deserve to be in government for the next decade at least. Then the minor parties like the Socialists and the People before profit would destroy the country quicker than the bank even during the good times, so can't imagine what they'd do now. Load of independents getting elected will do the country no good either and only leave us with the usual nonsense of them lending their support in return for keeping hospitals or building roads.
Need to change the system of voting too I think.

This.
Fine Gael are brilliant at attacking, but show us the policies. They're a reactive party. Same with labour. The problem with the left in general is they're brilliant at how they would spend money and resources, but are next to useless in getting them in the first place. The right are the opposite.

TBH I really have no clue who I'll vote for. But who in hell clicked Greens on that poll? Oh. My. God. Ask permission from an adult before you use scissors. :rolleyes:

Liam Byrne

seven-iron wrote: »

In relation to the bolded writing, yes it does in fact trickle down

.....and immediately trickles back up again when we're all forced to pay €18,000 - €25,000 to keep said rich in the lifestyles to which they are accustomed.

Logical Fallacy

Voting by party is a spanners road to ruination.

I would suggest finding out and meeting with the candidates in question. Personally i have been in email communication over several issues with all the Representatives in my area and have to say i find all their attitudes lacking.

SeaFields

The poll currently looks exactly like the polls being conducted week in, week out, by the various newspapers. It'll be interesting to see how it looks by the time it closes.

Liam Byrne

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Voting by party is a spanners road to ruination.

I would suggest finding out and meeting with the candidates in question. Personally i have been in email communication over several issues with all the Representatives in my area and have to say i find all their attitudes lacking.

The problem with the Irish system, though, is that their own views and attitudes on issues are irrelevant; once the party whip speaks, they won't vote with their conscience or with the people in mind.

Logical Fallacy

Liam Byrne wrote: »

The problem with the Irish system, though, is that their own views and attitudes on issues are irrelevant; once the party whip speaks, they won't vote with their conscience or with the people in mind.

True that, but it's always possible to find people who might just be willing to work cross party which each other to actually fix stuff.

Party politics in Ireland is dying, it's reasonably clear to all voters, i hope, that party lines being drawn over stupid issues is nothing but a detriment to the country. It seems to take politicians about 10 years to catch on to things, and then it takes voters longer to actually vote in relevant change.

In about 150 years, everything will be fine.

seven-iron

flynnlives wrote: »

Tell me who introduced our current low corporation tax of 12.5% and who introduced free third level education?

I think you will find it wasnt FF.

In fact our 12.5% was introduced by Ruari Quinn, can you tell me which party he is a member of?
The rainbow coalition of 94-97 introduced free third level fees.
I think you will also see that that particular gov left the country in growth, declining unemployment, and a budget surplus!


Contrast that with what FF will leave us with!!


Now next time you go posting rubbish do some research, good man!

Your jumping the gun.

My point WAS that it is Fianna Fail's policy in keeping all of the above going. They have stated this and it is their plan. That is why I will vote for them. Not Labour, nor anyone else because they have not provided an alternative strategy for returning to growth.

Now next time you go posting rubbish read the thread first, good man!

seven-iron

Liam Byrne wrote: »

.....and immediately trickles back up again when we're all forced to pay €18,000 - €25,000 to keep said rich in the lifestyles to which they are accustomed.

I would imagine any lifestyle a wealthy person is accustomed to, is not because of everyone else paying this €18,000 you speak of and more to do with the fact that they worked hard to get it.

meditraitor

seven-iron wrote: »

I would imagine any lifestyle a wealthy person is accustomed to, is not because of everyone else paying this €18,000 you speak of and more to do with the fact that they worked hard to get it.

LOL, this is a joke? right? please let it be a joke>>>>>

seven-iron

Terry wrote: »

When you don't vote, FF get into power.

Yes or the fact that the majority of our country has supported Fianna Fail for the last three General Elections.

meditraitor

seven-iron wrote: »

Yes or the fact that the majority of our country has supported Fianna Fail for the last three General Elections.

Bull...... FF have received at most a 25% vote from the Irish population in the past 3 elections.

seven-iron

meditraitor wrote: »

Bull...... FF have received at most a 25% vote from the Irish population in the past 3 elections.

What? Seriously man, how would they have formed government with only 25%.

78 seats they won. Twenty seven more than Fine Gael and almost sixty ahead of Labour.

meditraitor

seven-iron wrote: »

What? Seriously man, how would they have formed government with only 25%.

78 seats they won. Twenty seven more than Fine Gael and almost sixty ahead of Labour.

I bet you 1 shiney euro that FF have not received more than a 25% vote from the Irish population in recent times.

SeaFields

Aint 25% their core vote? The amount of the electorate that seem to vote for them not matter what they do.

Pal

11% would vote for Sinn Fein.

Jeeze wept. Remember Adams at the last general election leaders night on TV.

He hadn't got a Scooby Doo !

The country is in a disastrous mess if you hadn't noticed.

At least vote for somebody who might do something about it !.

Jeboa Safari

meditraitor wrote: »

I bet you 1 shiney euro that FF have not received more than a 25% vote from the Irish population in recent times.

Are you counting people that don't vote in that? Because I'm sure they couldn't have got nearly half the seats without more than 25% of the vote.

meditraitor

Jeboa Safari wrote: »

Are you counting people that don't vote in that? Because I'm sure they couldn't have got nearly half the seats without more than 25% of the vote.

, got me.......... when making sweeping statements I find people are better off sticking to the facts.

seven-iron wrote:

Yes or the fact that the majority of our country has supported Fianna Fail for the last three General Elections.

FF did not receive a majority of the Votes from the Irish population () in the last election...

Not even from the voting poplulation, and not even from the people who voted.(42% i think):D I think 800,00 people voted for them in total..... most are regretting it now.

Its saturday night, time for a bevy

Pal

FF got 41.6% last time
previous 41.5%

aDeener

Poll is misleading.
It should read Labour/IMF...... :rolleyes:

Jeboa Safari

meditraitor wrote: »

, got me.......... when making sweeping statements I find people are better off sticking to the facts.



FF did not receive a majority of the Votes from the Irish population () in the last election...

Not even from the voting poplulation, and not even from the people who voted.(42% i think):D I think 800,00 people voted for them in total..... most are regretting it now.

Its saturday night, time for a bevy

Indeed, they got more support than any other party though. Anybody who didn't even bother to vote shouldn't be complaining about the type of government that gets elected, they're probably the ones who shout loudest though

meditraitor

aDeener wrote: »

Poll is misleading.
It should read Labour/IMF...... :rolleyes:

Sadly I think you could be right, but it all depends who wins the next election(or forms the government).... It could easily say

FF/FG/imf
FG/Lab/IMF
Lab/FF/imf
Lab/SF/greens/fg/imf

Ulysses Gaze

seven-iron wrote: »

Your jumping the gun.

My point WAS that it is Fianna Fail's policy in keeping all of the above going. They have stated this and it is their plan. That is why I will vote for them. Not Labour, nor anyone else because they have not provided an alternative strategy for returning to growth.

Now next time you go posting rubbish read the thread first, good man!

So FF essentially are doing nothing new then.......

You do realise that our cost base (electricity, gas, wages) are a serious impediment to FDI coming here and even a 12.5% rate of Corpo tax will not be enough to keep getting jobs here through it?

You do also realise that corpo tax and free education ain't going to create the circa 450,000 jobs necessary to get the country back on it's feet?

So what are the Soliders of Bankruptcy actually going to do...because they will actually have to come up with some radical, original strategies now rather than pilfer (Tallaght Strategy) or just ride on the coat-tails of the oppositions policies?

Liam Byrne

seven-iron wrote: »

I would imagine any lifestyle a wealthy person is accustomed to, is not because of everyone else paying this €18,000 you speak of and more to do with the fact that they worked hard to get it.

"worked hard", or gambled non-stop until we were forced by FF to pay out said €18,000 (which, by the way, I work damn hard to get, for your information) to Anglo and the like because that gamble failed.

Working hard produces sustainable results.

Gambling irresponsibly produces what we have.

seven-iron

pay out said €18,000 (which, by the way, I work damn hard to get, for your information)

I would love to know what this €18,000 everyone seems to be paying?

or just ride on the coat-tails of the oppositions policies?

Name one policy Fianna Fail have 'ride on the coat-tails' from another party?

Working hard produces sustainable results.

Gambling irresponsibly produces what we have.

Lovely quote. Real Joan Burton stuff that hahaha.

flynnlives

seven-iron wrote: »

Your jumping the gun.

My point WAS that it is Fianna Fail's policy in keeping all of the above going. They have stated this and it is their plan. That is why I will vote for them. Not Labour, nor anyone else because they have not provided an alternative strategy for returning to growth.

Now next time you go posting rubbish read the thread first, good man!

What utter nonsense are you talking now!
So your trying to give FF credit when they had absolutly **** all to do with these policies!
Are you ok in the head?


Labour introduced the CT and free fees which directly lead to the boom in this country.
Both of those policies, introduced by that gov. returned this country to growth.

flynnlives

seven-iron wrote: »

Name one policy Fianna Fail have 'ride on the coat-tails' from another party?

Your just after suggesting that FF did this country well by continuing on the two policies above, CT and free fees, both introduced by a FG/LAB gov!!

You seem to suffer from the same short-term memory loss the majority of the core FF idiot voter has!!

flynnlives

Also which party has been trying to abolish free fees in the recent past?!
Which party has sold us down the swanny with the bank bailout that now the corporation tax is under threat?!

Ulysses Gaze

seven-iron wrote: »

Name one policy Fianna Fail have 'ride on the coat-tails' from another party?

As stated above:

Free fees and Corpo Tax were not creations of FF. Yet you claim that their

'policy is in keeping all of the above going'

i.e Ride on the coat-tails of ideas and policies from another party.

seven-iron

flynnlives wrote: »

You seem to suffer from the same short-term memory loss the majority of the core FF idiot voter has!!

Look, the poll is about who you would vote for in the next general election. I'm voting Fianna Fail. Why? They are the only party to have proposed a strategy for Ireland's economy.

If another party produces an alternative, I will look and listen before making an assessment. Until then, Fianna Fail are the only option for me.

seven-iron

flynnlives wrote: »

Also which party has been trying to abolish free fees in the recent past?!
Which party has sold us down the swanny with the bank bailout that now the corporation tax is under threat?!

A better way of asking that question is; which party has sat on the fence? Not Fianna Fail anyway is the answer.