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General Election

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭bobblepuzzle


    Dave McWilliams fTW


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭bobblepuzzle


    If somebody could give a valid reason for voting Labour, it would be great! Just one even!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,617 ✭✭✭Cat Melodeon


    I'll be voting Labour because they're not Fianna Fail or Fine Gael (same FF policies, different packaging).

    Reason enough for me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,560 ✭✭✭jaffa20


    Cmdr Keen wrote: »
    OK, you are an absolute eijit tbh... you will vote for a party with no aims.. .I really hope there isn't many like you!

    You might not want to look at the poll then.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 451 ✭✭seven-iron


    Fianna Fail will stay in government after the GE next May/June for many reasons.

    A) FF have bailed out the financial sector and not individuals (via pension gaurantees). Ok I admit, it is socialism for capitalists but our economy will return to growth sooner

    B) FF unlike FG & L can play the FDI game. In that they can sell Ireland Inc to multinationals and other govts. This will be important in the years ahead in creating jobs.

    C) As stated in a previous post; they are not hitting the wealthy with (relatively) increased taxes. This will filter down into the rest of the economy

    D) No credible alternative to lead.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,617 ✭✭✭Cat Melodeon


    Cmdr Keen wrote: »
    OK, you are an absolute eijit tbh... you will vote for a party with no aims.. .I really hope there isn't many like you!

    I don't agree with all of Labour's policies, just with enough of them to think that they'll be competent enough to serve a few years in power. On the other hand, I do feel that the current mob have been in power for too long, have become corrupted by their extended run in power, have been unapologetic and unimaginative in their response to the economic crisis, have exerted insufficient pressure on securing recompense/convictions on the most destructive of the 'Golden Circle'. The performance of my local FF TD has been pretty dismal, the FG one no better. I don't feel either represent me nor do they do anything to contribute to the betterment of the country or even the constituency they are supposed to represent. I will never vote SF. The Greens live in a fantasy world.

    So I'll be voting Labour. Don't see how that makes me an eejit. Lay off the insults.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 451 ✭✭seven-iron


    jaffa20 wrote: »
    You might not want to look at the poll then.


    If Labour get into office, we are turning the lights off in Ireland for a generation.

    People think they are making the decision to vote for Labour rationally. They need to start thinking why they want to vote for them, and not this 'voting in spite of others' carry on.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,925 ✭✭✭th3 s1aught3r


    Its frightening to see there are people who would still vote for FF after all that has happened


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,617 ✭✭✭Cat Melodeon


    seven-iron wrote: »
    If Labour get into office, we are turning the lights off in Ireland for a generation.

    People think they are making the decision to vote for Labour rationally. They need to start thinking why they want to vote for them, and not this 'voting in spite of others' carry on.

    People are as entitled to vote parties out of power as into it. Personally I don't believe that keeping a 'steady hand' in the form of Lenihan et al is reason enough for keeping a party guilty of extreme negligence in power. A spell out of power would give FF the chance to regroup, reform, get rid of the deadwood, the incompetents, the cronyists and maybe make the party shake itself up enough to realise that they can't screw over the country and not expect consequences.

    I would hope that creating a stronger Labour party would create a normal left-right political spectrum, eventually seeing the merger of FF and FG, presumably with some diehards going independent or forming splinter parties. FF and FG are the same, and having them as the 2 main parties has been totally unhealthy for Ireland in terms of political and intellectual debate. This might not be the ideal time to try and force a change in the status quo, but the status quo is diseased and corrupt and if not now, when?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,692 ✭✭✭✭OPENROAD


    I really don't know who I will vote for, having listened to people from the major parties the last week, I really do worry, very depressing :(:(:(:(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭Jeboa Safari


    It's a pity the opposition is so weak at a time when we need them to be at their best. Fine Gael are handicapped with Kenny and his supporters at the helm, instead of having their strongest tds in their best positions, Labour have no plan and would probably strengthen the unions, and together with Fine Gael, always just attack everything the government do instead of doing something constructive. I don't think I'd ever vote for Greens, wouldn't even consider it at this stage, wouldn't trust Sinn Fein and their backward policies, and Fianna Fail don't deserve to be in government for the next decade at least. Then the minor parties like the Socialists and the People before profit would destroy the country quicker than the bank even during the good times, so can't imagine what they'd do now. Load of independents getting elected will do the country no good either and only leave us with the usual nonsense of them lending their support in return for keeping hospitals or building roads.
    Need to change the system of voting too I think.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    seven-iron wrote: »
    Fianna Fail will stay in government after the GE next May/June for many reasons.
    Fire away so.
    seven-iron wrote: »
    A) FF have bailed out the financial sector and not individuals (via pension gaurantees). Ok I admit, it is socialism for capitalists but our economy will return to growth sooner
    The only tiny problem with this analysis is that it is people, not corporates, that vote in elections. That, and the fact that FF oversaw that entire meltdown in the first place.
    seven-iron wrote: »
    B) FF unlike FG & L can play the FDI game. In that they can sell Ireland Inc to multinationals and other govts. This will be important in the years ahead in creating jobs.
    Last time I checked it was the likes of Enterprise Ireland that did the work in attracting FDI. I'd be concerned that labour might adjust the Corp. tax rate, but to suggest that only FF can attract FDI is patent nonsense.
    seven-iron wrote: »
    C) As stated in a previous post; they are not hitting the wealthy with (relatively) increased taxes. This will filter down into the rest of the economy
    As alluded to above, it is the entire population (growing poorer by the day) that vote in elections.
    seven-iron wrote: »
    D) No credible alternative to lead.
    I've wasted my time, haven't I?:mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,197 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    seven-iron wrote: »
    If Labour get into office, we are turning the lights off in Ireland for a generation.

    People think they are making the decision to vote for Labour rationally. They need to start thinking why they want to vote for them, and not this 'voting in spite of others' carry on.

    We've had enough of the eFFers. You think their policies of favouring the rich are the right ones? That they will lead to a trickle-down effect? They don't. The policies of greed lead to the likes of Ahern, Harney and Cowen. The crumbs don't fall on the floor. The greedy are greedy for a reason. And when the greedy are left to their own devices (i.e. No regulation) the results are devastating.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 451 ✭✭seven-iron


    We've had enough of the eFFers. You think their policies of favouring the rich are the right ones? That they will lead to a trickle-down effect? They don't. The policies of greed lead to the likes of Ahern, Harney and Cowen. The crumbs don't fall on the floor. The greedy are greedy for a reason. And when the greedy are left to their own devices (i.e. No regulation) the results are devastating.

    Greedy? Im not really sure what your point is.

    In relation to the bolded writing, yes it does in fact trickle down. It is quite a basic economic fact. In all nations, the people who invest are the upper class who have savings. Individuals with savings invest. Investment creates jobs. You attack their savings, you attack prospective investment.

    I've wasted my time, haven't I?

    No
    The only tiny problem with this analysis is that it is people, not corporates, that vote in elections. That, and the fact that FF oversaw that entire meltdown in the first place.

    So, do you admit the merit in the Fianna Fail approach? Do you not agree that this is beneficial to the well being of our economy [and by extension us!]?
    Last time I checked it was the likes of Enterprise Ireland that did the work in attracting FDI. I'd be concerned that labour might adjust the Corp. tax rate, but to suggest that only FF can attract FDI is patent nonsense.

    You mean our IDA not enterprise Ireland. Well it is our figure heads who have the real bargaining power. IDA by and large is apart of the governments strategy for Ireland. It does much of the work yes. I would argue it is our leaders who drive this.

    As alluded to above, it is the entire population (growing poorer by the day) that vote in elections.

    Thats a little bit sensationalist. America, the UK, Spain, Japan are all in a period of contraction. People everywhere are in trouble, not just Ireland. This results in individuals and families running into difficulty growing their wealth. Or in many cases as you are rightly saying, just stay above water. However, unemployment is still 'only' 13%. The unemployed are shouting loudest about how Ireland is like Greece etc. So, my point... my point is that yes many people are dissatisfied with our current leaders, but I believe many will conclude that they are comparatively better than any other party.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,536 ✭✭✭Mark200


    http://www.labour.ie/policy/ :rolleyes:

    Fair enough if you don't like the policies but at least acknowledge they friggin exist.

    The post was: "Labour hasn't outlined how it intends to deal with the Economic crisis... " :rolleyes:

    Their policies on education and sport have nothing to do with the economic crisis.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,925 ✭✭✭th3 s1aught3r


    seven-iron wrote: »
    So, do you admit the merit in the Fianna Fail approach? Do you not agree that this is beneficial to the well being of our economy [and by extension us!]?


    Are you a member of Fianna Fail by any chance ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 451 ✭✭seven-iron


    seven-iron wrote: »
    So, do you admit the merit in the Fianna Fail approach? Do you not agree that this is beneficial to the well being of our economy [and by extension us!]?


    Are you a member of Fianna Fail by any chance ?


    What do you mean by chance?
    To answer your question, no.

    If I was, I wouldnt be posting here anyway!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,925 ✭✭✭th3 s1aught3r


    seven-iron wrote: »
    So, do you admit the merit in the Fianna Fail approach? Do you not agree that this is beneficial to the well being of our economy [and by extension us!]?

    Are you a member of Fianna Fail by any chance ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 103 ✭✭Enter Username


    seven-iron wrote: »
    Fianna Fail.

    Their good for business in Ireland.

    They look after people with wealth, for instance low capital tax rates and high inheritance thresholds.

    Ultimately, that is right objective to have. Wealthy families and individuals will get this country back to growth with renewed investment. How will they invest... by having surplus funds derived from favorable governmental policies.

    Holy **** - I really hope this is a tongue-in-cheek post because if there are still people in Ireland who think like this we ARE screwed !!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 103 ✭✭Enter Username


    Cmdr Keen wrote: »
    Labour hasn't outlined how it intends to deal with the Economic crisis...

    It hasn't even released any policy information... so I'm not really sure how they have so much support? They could sink the country in a week I fear... and the people that vote for them would be non the wiser...

    So why vote Labour folks, if you don't actually know what they'll do?

    This is the exact reason why Ireland will never be able to move on from traditional Fine Fáil. Fine Gael politics. A simple look on labour.ie and you will see the polices you say they are lacking but instead ignorant voters have already made up their mind about who they will vote for


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,311 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    The Monster Raving Looney Party option.

    I'm spoilt for choice.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,379 ✭✭✭thebigcheese22


    Cmdr Keen wrote: »
    If somebody could give a valid reason for voting Labour, it would be great! Just one even!!!

    - They were the only party in the Dail that voted against the guarantee and subsequent bailouts. (surely a major factor considering the **** that this country is in due to the consequences of that action)

    - They have credible economic policies, such as the Strategic Investment Bank, that would invest capital into worthwhile SME's, instead of putting it in the black hole that is Anglo

    - Gilmore was the only leader in the Dail willing to stand up to John O Donoghue after his outrageous expenses - FG and Kenny were too afraid to upset the gravy train

    - They showed a genuine concern for our economy and workforce in the pair controversy at the start of the week - FG just looked like they were electioneering and caring more about Dail seats than the economic well-being of the country

    - They have a track record of performing well in Government - particularly economically (Ruairi Quinn was the only MoF to record a budget surplus, and he laid the foundations for the Celtic Tiger, which FF subsequently hijacked and destroyed)

    That's 5 off the top of my head, I can give ya more if I had the time, but I'm knackered! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    seven-iron wrote: »
    Fianna Fail.

    Their good for business in Ireland.

    They look after people with wealth, for instance low capital tax rates and high inheritance thresholds.

    Ultimately, that is right objective to have. Wealthy families and individuals will get this country back to growth with renewed investment. How will they invest... by having surplus funds derived from favorable governmental policies.

    I applaud your wonderful logic, let's have another 13 years of them. Haven't they done a great job indeed. Surplus funds and favourable governmental policy - hey I just saw a pig flying past my window. I can assure you, thanks to FF, it will be along time before this country has surplus funds again.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,918 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    The big hairy fanny party


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,164 ✭✭✭hobochris


    seven-iron wrote: »
    If you didn't understand my response its ok.

    Your username seems very apt. Although thats an insult to hobos who aren't idiots.

    Your post (which borders on trolling), is basically saying that we should vote FF because, in your opinion, they pander to the needs of a few,who have wealth and hope that in return these wealthy people will invest within our economy(an economy which due to bad regulation of FF any international investor with an ounce of cop on is staying well clear of), Whats in it for them, Except high risk and low return?

    Now which part of their policy is good for business in Ireland? because it certainly is not the red tape imposed on Irish SME's.
    Nor is it the lip service paid to strugling irish business that they are making credit available for working capital for businesses.
    Nor is it the bankruptcy laws in this country.
    Nor the lack of social support for CEO's should their businesses fail, despite paying prsi.

    They have had 13 years to fix this, yet its still the same.

    FF are a one trick pony, Advertise our low corporate tax rate(which is all we really have to offer IMO) to multinationals and hope they set up shop here.

    They claim that we have a skilled workforce, yes we do have people here with these high tech skills(myself included), but by the time this mess is sorted and our economy resembles even in the slightest anything like an attractive environment for these skilled workers, They will have long gone, emigrated to greener pastures and settled(a whole generation of marketable, experience workers gone).

    To FF more jobs mean bringing in a multinational, Here's a radical thought, how about encourage and nurture indigenous industry here.

    The fact you seem oblivious to the current climate and blindly spout FF soundbites, makes your childish attempt at an insult all the more humorous.

    As like many of your FF supporting counterparts You find yourself wanting and clutching at straws for a reply when someone points out the elephant in the room(even if the subtlety is lacking in doing so, as per my previous post).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 451 ✭✭seven-iron


    Now which part of their policy is good for business in Ireland?
    • Low tax rates for wealthy individuals. (If you dont agree look at the new tax laws coming on stream in the UK) I will provide more information on this again.
    • Free education for all.
    • Low CT rate.
    • Significant grant aid made available from EI.


    FF are a one trick pony, Advertise our low corporate tax rate(which is all we really have to offer IMO) to multinationals and hope they set up shop here

    Have you been down to the IFSC? Ireland punches well above its weight in terms of winning FDI.

    To FF more jobs mean bring in a multinational, Here's a radical thought, how about encourage and nature indigenous industry here.

    Yes because FG and Labour have proposed many alternatives. Go to Labour.ie and go to 'our ideas'. Not one economic policy document.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 112 ✭✭google faps


    Who can you vote for?

    Fine Gael? Blueshirts. Lead by a gormless fool. Kept as quiet as possible during expenses scandals which would lead one to believe that they're at it too or would be if they had the chance.

    Labour? The dole party. Not to be trusted to run a country. Junior coalition partners maybe, but not running it. Don't appear to have any policies and the ones they do have scare me, such is the ignorance displayed therein.

    Greens? Not a ****ing hope. I don't mind paying tax or paying increased tax, but if they get their way, there'll eventually be a taking a shíte tax. Useless party bereft of common sense.

    Sinn Fein? Nah.

    Independent? Pointless. All these independents run on some 'issue of the moment' topic. Get elected (the ones that do) and a year or so later are up to their eyeballs in expenses having forgotten all about the cause they were elected to sort out.

    Who else is there?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,925 ✭✭✭th3 s1aught3r


    Only the mentally retarded would vote for Fianna Fail again.
    Saying there is no alternative is not a valid reason any more
    Thats like voting for Hitler because the opposition is not that great


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 112 ✭✭google faps


    Only the mentally retarded would vote for Fianna Fail again.
    Saying there is no alternative is not a valid reason any more
    Thats like voting for Hitler because the opposition is not that great
    Nah, it's not though is it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭laugh


    Where did all the Labour support come from?

    If they try appease any of the groups they are in bed with we will be doubly fucked.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,148 ✭✭✭✭KnifeWRENCH


    Labour or Independents, probably. FF have certainly fcuked things up way too much to justify voting for them again; there are still a few good eggs in that party but they're few and far between. And as for FG, I do not want a sneering, bloodless and gormless leader of a Christian centre-right party as Taoiseach. Again, I'm sure they have a few good eggs in there somewhere but looking at the majority of their front bench does not fill me with confidence.


  • Registered Users Posts: 156 ✭✭Mankyspuds


    Cmdr Keen wrote: »
    If somebody could give a valid reason for voting Labour, it would be great! Just one even!!!

    1!!! I'll give you a few

    Vote FG - Enda is a donkey

    Vote FF - Gerrup outta that!!

    Vote Shinners - Fúck off, their leaders brother likes givin it to kids

    Vote Green - I'd be wasting my vote, complete waste, might aswell incinerate it.... tumble weed

    Vote Independent - Quite Possibly

    Vote Labour - They appear to have a good few smart fúckers and they got Joan Burton!! mmmmmmmmmm jooaann buurrttoonn


  • Registered Users Posts: 156 ✭✭Mankyspuds


    hobochris wrote: »
    Your post (which borders on trolling).



    What the hell is trolling??


  • Registered Users Posts: 739 ✭✭✭flynnlives


    seven-iron wrote: »
    • Low tax rates for wealthy individuals. (If you dont agree look at the new tax laws coming on stream in the UK) I will provide more information on this again.
    • Free education for all.
    • Low CT rate.
    • Significant grant aid made available from EI

    Yes because FG and Labour have proposed many alternatives. Go to Labour.ie and go to 'our ideas'. Not one economic policy document.

    Tell me who introduced our current low corporation tax of 12.5% and who introduced free third level education?

    I think you will find it wasnt FF.

    In fact our 12.5% was introduced by Ruari Quinn, can you tell me which party he is a member of?
    The rainbow coalition of 94-97 introduced free third level fees.
    I think you will also see that that particular gov left the country in growth, declining unemployment, and a budget surplus!


    Contrast that with what FF will leave us with!!


    Now next time you go posting rubbish do some research, good man!


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    Mankyspuds wrote: »
    mmm joan burtonnnn

    Very electable lady, but yech. You, my friend, have some very odd tastes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,688 ✭✭✭Nailz


    The communist party.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,207 ✭✭✭meditraitor


    Cmdr Keen wrote: »
    OK, you are an absolute eijit tbh... you will vote for a party with no aims.. .I really hope there isn't many like you!

    There are many like him out there and the fact that FF/FG supporters have little in the way of real dirt to sling at Labour shows that there will be more.

    You just keep up the good work, its nice little sly digs like this that will force the undecided population to go Labour.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    you should be able to pick more than one..
    Il be voting Labour, and if they run a candidate the socialist workers party..
    Im really hoping there could be some sort of coalition of the left after the next GE..
    Oh, and id vote for Mings party, if he has one..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,061 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    kraggy wrote: »
    How about an option for "not voting"?

    Up until now, I have always lambasted people for not voting as I saw it as such an important civil duty.

    But it's got to the stage now that I feel so dismayed that I really don't think I'll vote for anyone. There is nobody in Dáil Eireann that I think could help us at this stage.

    I wish some credible, skilled, talented, knowledgable, qualified people would be willing to run, or be encouraged by a movement of the people to run e.g. Shane Ross or some group of economists who actually know what they're doing.

    When you don't vote, FF get into power.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    Mankyspuds wrote: »
    What the hell is trolling??
    Welcome to the internet.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,183 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    It's a pity the opposition is so weak at a time when we need them to be at their best. Fine Gael are handicapped with Kenny and his supporters at the helm, instead of having their strongest tds in their best positions, Labour have no plan and would probably strengthen the unions, and together with Fine Gael, always just attack everything the government do instead of doing something constructive. I don't think I'd ever vote for Greens, wouldn't even consider it at this stage, wouldn't trust Sinn Fein and their backward policies, and Fianna Fail don't deserve to be in government for the next decade at least. Then the minor parties like the Socialists and the People before profit would destroy the country quicker than the bank even during the good times, so can't imagine what they'd do now. Load of independents getting elected will do the country no good either and only leave us with the usual nonsense of them lending their support in return for keeping hospitals or building roads.
    Need to change the system of voting too I think.
    This.
    Fine Gael are brilliant at attacking, but show us the policies. They're a reactive party. Same with labour. The problem with the left in general is they're brilliant at how they would spend money and resources, but are next to useless in getting them in the first place. The right are the opposite.

    TBH I really have no clue who I'll vote for. But who in hell clicked Greens on that poll? Oh. My. God. Ask permission from an adult before you use scissors. :rolleyes:

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    seven-iron wrote: »
    In relation to the bolded writing, yes it does in fact trickle down

    .....and immediately trickles back up again when we're all forced to pay €18,000 - €25,000 to keep said rich in the lifestyles to which they are accustomed.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    Voting by party is a spanners road to ruination.

    I would suggest finding out and meeting with the candidates in question. Personally i have been in email communication over several issues with all the Representatives in my area and have to say i find all their attitudes lacking.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,551 ✭✭✭SeaFields


    The poll currently looks exactly like the polls being conducted week in, week out, by the various newspapers. It'll be interesting to see how it looks by the time it closes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    Voting by party is a spanners road to ruination.

    I would suggest finding out and meeting with the candidates in question. Personally i have been in email communication over several issues with all the Representatives in my area and have to say i find all their attitudes lacking.

    The problem with the Irish system, though, is that their own views and attitudes on issues are irrelevant; once the party whip speaks, they won't vote with their conscience or with the people in mind.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    The problem with the Irish system, though, is that their own views and attitudes on issues are irrelevant; once the party whip speaks, they won't vote with their conscience or with the people in mind.

    True that, but it's always possible to find people who might just be willing to work cross party which each other to actually fix stuff.

    Party politics in Ireland is dying, it's reasonably clear to all voters, i hope, that party lines being drawn over stupid issues is nothing but a detriment to the country. It seems to take politicians about 10 years to catch on to things, and then it takes voters longer to actually vote in relevant change.

    In about 150 years, everything will be fine. :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 451 ✭✭seven-iron


    flynnlives wrote: »
    Tell me who introduced our current low corporation tax of 12.5% and who introduced free third level education?

    I think you will find it wasnt FF.

    In fact our 12.5% was introduced by Ruari Quinn, can you tell me which party he is a member of?
    The rainbow coalition of 94-97 introduced free third level fees.
    I think you will also see that that particular gov left the country in growth, declining unemployment, and a budget surplus!


    Contrast that with what FF will leave us with!!


    Now next time you go posting rubbish do some research, good man!

    Your jumping the gun.

    My point WAS that it is Fianna Fail's policy in keeping all of the above going. They have stated this and it is their plan. That is why I will vote for them. Not Labour, nor anyone else because they have not provided an alternative strategy for returning to growth.

    Now next time you go posting rubbish read the thread first, good man!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 451 ✭✭seven-iron


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    .....and immediately trickles back up again when we're all forced to pay €18,000 - €25,000 to keep said rich in the lifestyles to which they are accustomed.

    I would imagine any lifestyle a wealthy person is accustomed to, is not because of everyone else paying this €18,000 you speak of and more to do with the fact that they worked hard to get it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,207 ✭✭✭meditraitor


    seven-iron wrote: »
    I would imagine any lifestyle a wealthy person is accustomed to, is not because of everyone else paying this €18,000 you speak of and more to do with the fact that they worked hard to get it.


    LOL, this is a joke? right? please let it be a joke>>>>>


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 451 ✭✭seven-iron


    Terry wrote: »
    When you don't vote, FF get into power.

    Yes or the fact that the majority of our country has supported Fianna Fail for the last three General Elections.


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