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How many of you guys would call yourself a satanist

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,485 ✭✭✭✭Ickle Magoo


    Nemi wrote: »
    Yup.

    Fictional in the sense that no-one is contesting they are participating in a fiction.

    Would you feel that Christians would contest they are following a work of fiction?

    Ah, you missed my ninja edit, it's almost like I knew what was coming. :)

    Most already freely admit they follow a work of fiction in one form or another, they just tend to dress it up as "allegory" or "representative" or whatever...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 334 ✭✭Nemi


    Dougla2 wrote: »
    well Satanism isn't fiction sure Satan doesn't exist Satanism doesn't claim he does , the magic part is fiction but most of it is similar to Buddhism.
    Sure, in the same way Star Trek isn't fiction. Sure, the actual travelling in space bit isn'y. But most of it is similar to Buddhism.

    Now, fine, if some book some guy wrote in the 1960s is an incredibly rewarding myth to wrap up your life in. Its just the fragments posted here that read like twaddle, and especially senseless twaddle at that.

    My honest reaction is that Eight I Really Rather You Didn'ts actually contain more useful information, and they're only for a laugh. The eleven Earth whasists are just incoherent. Travelling through open country. I wish we had the vomiting smiley they have on the thepropertypin.com.

    One last question. What did PT Barnum say was born every minute?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,630 ✭✭✭Plowman


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭strobe


    Nemi wrote: »
    One last question. What did PT Barnum say was born every minute?

    A troll, I think. Why? :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    fu*k that stuff. i done an ouija board years ago and i was drunk doing it and kept saying satan loud for 2 minutes and lightbulbs started exploding in the house. no way would i get into that stuff. and anyone that does is an idiot. dangerous stuff to mess with.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 227 ✭✭Dougla2


    Plowman wrote: »
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    its hard for me to explain, its similar as in in Buddhism there is no god its more like a philosophy or a way to live your life.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    Dougla2 wrote: »
    well Satanism isn't fiction sure Satan doesn't exist Satanism doesn't claim he does , the magic part is fiction but most of it is similar to Buddhism.

    Er, wait. One maintains that desire leads to suffering and only by escaping the cycle of desire can one achieve true happiness. The other maintains that one should indulge all desires and show contempt for weaker fools.

    How are they in any way related?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 334 ✭✭Nemi


    Ah, you missed my ninja edit, it's almost like I knew what was coming. :)

    Most already freely admit they follow a work of fiction in one form or another, they just tend to dress it up as "allegory" or "representative" or whatever...
    Yeeeaaahh, in a way, but mostly no.

    I honestly do think there's a little difference between how the writings that form the Bible came together, and some guy writing a sort of heavy metal version of the Celestine Prophecy in the 1960s.

    Look, I know we think all that stuff is made up, and it probably is. But there most certainly are lots of people around who reckon Jesus did exist, and was the son of God, and that Mohammed did get visions of the Angel Gabriel, and that the Quran is the authentic inerrant word of Allah.

    But this yoke isn't. Its as fictional as the FSM, just fiction to be taken seriously.

    And maybe that's great. Sure, doesn't Tom Cruise speak highly of Scientology?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,485 ✭✭✭✭Ickle Magoo


    Nemi wrote: »
    One last question. What did PT Barnum say was born every minute?

    A freak to exploit?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 334 ✭✭Nemi


    Plowman wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.
    Well, Zen Buddhists have a saying that if you meet Buddha on the road, kill him.

    But I think its a metaphor.
    Zillah wrote: »
    Er, wait. One maintains that desire leads to suffering and only by escaping the cycle of desire can one achieve true happiness. The other maintains that one should indulge all desires and show contempt for weaker fools.

    How are they in any way related?
    If I was you, I'd invite him to my house and slap him with a wet fish. Its the only way to deal with heresy.

    He'll thank you later.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 334 ✭✭Nemi


    A freak to exploit?
    I'm sure he'd have said 'A differently-abled entertainer'.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    Nemi, you've been drinking, haven't you?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,485 ✭✭✭✭Ickle Magoo


    Nemi wrote: »
    I'm sure he'd have said 'A differently-abled entertainer'.

    I don't think he was too concerned with PC, unless a quick buck could be made.

    I'm pretty sure he had a rather famous "Museum of Freaks"...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 334 ✭✭Nemi


    Zillah wrote: »
    Nemi, you've been drinking, haven't you?
    No, but that's a damn good idea.

    Taxi!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,718 ✭✭✭The Mad Hatter


    Nemi, you seem to be desperately trying to shoehorn these ideas into the framework of religion. But as far as I can see from what's been posted, it's not a system of belief (mostly) but rather a set of philosophies to live by. It's one I disagree with, sure, but we can't label everything we disagree with as religion.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 227 ✭✭Dougla2


    Zillah wrote: »
    Er, wait. One maintains that desire leads to suffering and only by escaping the cycle of desire can one achieve true happiness. The other maintains that one should indulge all desires and show contempt for weaker fools.

    How are they in any way related?

    I didn't say they were related merely that its the same type of religion .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,886 ✭✭✭Darlughda


    So what or who is Satan?

    As far as I understand he or it is the epitome of evil. He cannot exist outwith the Abhramic religions. So if you believe in a god, you believe in Satan etc.

    This is one of my fundamental problems with people who are called conspiracy theorists, but nonetheless, raise interesting questions regarding the control of power in Society. They insist that lyrics of pop musicians are reflecting satan.

    However, if you don't believe in religion, or an abrahamic god, therefore you don't believe in satan.

    Therefore, it seems to me that people need to personify evil, especially if they believe in an abrahamic god-
    and therefore that is satan. but its too simplistic for me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    Darlughda wrote: »
    So what or who is Satan?

    Read the god damn thread.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,886 ✭✭✭Darlughda


    Zillah wrote: »
    Read the god damn thread.

    Who ate your porridge, little bear?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭strobe


    Darlughda wrote: »
    Who ate your porridge, little bear?

    Satan....obviously.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    Mmm, porridge.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    Darlughda wrote: »
    So what or who is Satan?

    Phhh :rolleyes: Where have you been? It is this guy

    1.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭ColmDawson


    It's always the one you least expect.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 334 ✭✭Nemi


    Nemi, you seem to be desperately trying to shoehorn these ideas into the framework of religion. But as far as I can see from what's been posted, it's not a system of belief (mostly) but rather a set of philosophies to live by. It's one I disagree with, sure, but we can't label everything we disagree with as religion.
    Just a couple of thoughts. Firstly, I am (sort of) equating it to Pastafarianism, as an obviously manufactured thing.

    Though, secondly, isn't the fact that the name of Satan is employed to give the thing a frisson interesting? I mean, in other threads, people are apparently perplexed at why someone would follow a mainstream religion. Yet, if people find satanism attractive just as a pose, is it really so beyond our understanding that someone else might find Jesus or Mohammed would give them whatever taste and feel they want to their way of living?

    My initial posts, to be honest, were just expressions of quite genuine mirth at this sort of thing. But, now that you mention it, the fact that people stumble from religion into something like this is probably something that would yield understanding, if we critically thought about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,511 ✭✭✭saywhatyousee


    la vey satanism is a pile of hogwash its drivel.
    it is simply used to recruit members for proper satanict cults.
    if they think you are worthy enough you will be brought into the proper ranks of satanism


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,824 ✭✭✭ShooterSF


    ColmDawson wrote: »
    It's always the one you least expect.

    Nobody ever suspects the butterfly



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