How many of you guys would call yourself a satanist

Dougla2

sink wrote: »

Not my bag baby.

Not meaning to offend anyone but dressing up in black with make-up looks silly in my eyes. Don't get me wrong, I would never judge the whole person by the way they dress. I just try to put it to one side and talk to the person behind the trench-coat and eye shadow.

I dont wear a trench coat and make up i wear jeans and t shirts and no make up

Dades

I don't think we need to judge anyone on their lifestyle choices, tbh.

It would be one thing if people were dressing up in black, chanting and having rituals, and wearing a white collar (:p), but as long as people don't actually believe in the mumbo jumbo, then how much difference is it to nightclub mating rituals or sporting a business suit with coloured neck flap?

Hell, one of my lifetime "must dos" is to dress up and go to a Lebowskifest.

sensibleken

I think some people are confusing satanists with goths.

famous goth:


famous satanist:

MoronsCensor

LaVeyan Satanism, often referred to simply as Satanism among most adherents, was founded in 1966 by Anton LaVey. Its teachings are based on individualism, self-control, and "eye for an eye" morality, drawing influences from the rituals and ceremonies of occultist Aleister Crowley, and the philosophies of Friedrich Nietzsche and Ayn Rand.

Man anything that involves Ayn Rand can't be good.

strobe

MoronsCensor wrote: »

Man anything that involves Ayn Rand can't be good.

MoronsCensor

MoronsCensor wrote: »

Man anything that involves Ayn Rand can't be good.

I'm curious to read ayn rand
I ordered a book on amazon once but it was the one time they couldnt deliver it

I think it may have been a sign

Dades

All I'll say is - Ayn Rand - don't go there in this forum. :pac:

Dougla2

OK guys just to clear up what im talking about

" Central is the idea that an individual must enforce their own meaning on life and rise above the perceived conformity of the masses. The Satanist is seen as equivalent to Friedrich Nietzsche's Übermensch; LaVey claimed "Satanists are born, not made" and that "[Satanists] have a disease called independence that needs to be recognized just like alcoholism." There are progressive and libertarian elements here; diversity is encouraged, everyone is expected to discover his own sexuality, chart his own personality, and decide their own ambitions in life. In this stress on individuality,

for me its basicly indulging in the 7 deadly sins as much as you want freedom of your own sexuality instead of being told its unnatural or wrong or whatever, not forgiving the unforgivable etc.


The Nine Satanic Statements

1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence
2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams
3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit
4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it, instead of love wasted on ingrates
5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek
6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires
7. Satan represents man as just another animal (sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all fours), who, because of his “spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all.
8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification
9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years[16]


probably should of put this in the first post

PeterIanStaker

I useta be in to the oul' satanism a while back, the mother used to give out yards to me all the time for leaving severed goats' heads and sacrificed virgins on the coffee table, so I stopped in the end. Every time I go home she still nags me about the huge Pentagram I drew on the living room floor -I mean ffs, I'll paint over it when I have the time. :rolleyes: I'm telling you, sometimes she's like the antichrist.

Zombrex

Dougla2 wrote: »

1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence
2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams
3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit
4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it, instead of love wasted on ingrates
5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek
6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires
7. Satan represents man as just another animal (sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all fours), who, because of his “spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all.
8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification
9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years

I'm not really following any of this. Can you explain what makes any of this "Satanist"?

I mean could you not just substitute any character in there.

1. Donald Duck represents indulgence instead of abstinence
2. Donald Duck represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams
3. Donald Duck represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit
4. Donald Duck represents kindness to those who deserve it, instead of love wasted on ingrates
5. Donald Duck represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek
6. Donald Duck represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires
7. Donald Duck represents man as just another animal (sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all fours), who, because of his “spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all.
8. Donald Duck represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification
9. Donald Duck has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years

If you are not following the Judo/Christian notion of who or what Satan is then what is the point of calling this Satanist?

Dougla2

Wicknight wrote: »

I'm not really following any of this. Can you explain what makes any of this "Satanist"?

I mean could you not just substitute any character in there.

1. Donald Duck represents indulgence instead of abstinence
2. Donald Duck represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams
3. Donald Duck represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit
4. Donald Duck represents kindness to those who deserve it, instead of love wasted on ingrates
5. Donald Duck represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek
6. Donald Duck represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires
7. Donald Duck represents man as just another animal (sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all fours), who, because of his “spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all.
8. Donald Duck represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification
9. Donald Duck has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years

If you are not following the Judo/Christian notion of who or what Satan is then what is the point of calling this Satanist?

um its just a name, why does it matter it could be called hadesism or setism or whatever its not literal.

Zombrex

Dougla2 wrote: »

um its just a name, why does it matter it could be called hadesism or setism or whatever its not literal.

That was my point. Why call it Satanism when it has nothing to do with Satan and particularly when that is already taken as a group of people who worship the Biblical version of Satan.

I'm starting a new atheist group, I'm going to call us Christians :pac:

Dougla2

Wicknight wrote: »

That was my point. Why call it Satanism when it has nothing to do with Satan and particularly when that is already taken as a group of people who worship the Biblical version of Satan.

I'm starting a new atheist group, I'm going to call us Christians :pac:

I didn't name it brah, i just follow some tenants .

ima make me some mac an cheese nomom

Zillah

Wicknight wrote: »

I'm not really following any of this. Can you explain what makes any of this "Satanist"?

I mean could you not just substitute any character in there.

1. Donald Duck represents indulgence instead of abstinence
2. Donald Duck represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams
3. Donald Duck represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit
4. Donald Duck represents kindness to those who deserve it, instead of love wasted on ingrates
5. Donald Duck represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek
6. Donald Duck represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires
7. Donald Duck represents man as just another animal (sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all fours), who, because of his “spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all.
8. Donald Duck represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification
9. Donald Duck has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years

If you are not following the Judo/Christian notion of who or what Satan is then what is the point of calling this Satanist?

Well you'd get all of these answers if you tried reading the book first. Just sayin'

The Church of Satan maintains that Satan represents mankind's inner desire to see his will done, his pride and his independence. They also say that these qualities often manifest as the antagonist of world religions because those religions seek to oppress and cow mankind. Satan is but one manifestation of this, but it is a very common one, and considering that Satanism exists within a Christian society it makes sense to choose the most relevant manifestation, no?

As for Donald Duck...well if you associate Donald Duck with vengeance, indulgence and undefiled wisdom then I don't want to know anything else about your childhood. Yes there are lots of things you could swap Satan with, but they have to choose one and they chose this one.

Now go read the book.

Daftendirekt

PeterIanStaker wrote: »

I useta be in to the oul' satanism a while back, the mother used to give out yards to me all the time for leaving severed goats' heads and sacrificed virgins on the coffee table, so I stopped in the end. Every time I go home she still nags me about the huge Pentagram I drew on the living room floor -I mean ffs, I'll paint over it when I have the time. :rolleyes: I'm telling you, sometimes she's like the antichrist.

Ain't that always the way.

Dougla2

sigh
you guys haven't read anything apart from the first post

Dades

In a way, your question has been answered.

There ain't too many who would call themselves Satanists (or even understand it).

Ush1

I was sorta interested in santanism years and years before I found out really about atheism. The guy I was listening to on the radio was refering to original meaning of the word satan in Arabic which is adversary, in that Satanism was the adversary of theistic religions. He was talking about satanic marriage and stuff.

Dougla2

Dougla2 wrote: »

I didn't name it brah, i just follow some tenants .

Tenants? What tenants? Watch out they don't get a restraining order for you following them :eek:

stevejazzx

bluewolf wrote: »

Tenants? What tenants? Watch out they don't get a restraining order for you following them :eek:

larger than what...?;)

stevejazzx

Wicknight wrote: »

That was my point. Why call it Satanism when it has nothing to do with Satan and particularly when that is already taken as a group of people who worship the Biblical version of Satan.

:pac:

Now you've done it, you sir have a lecture coming.
And you deserve it too,
"Satanists are Satanists" what were you thinking?....Didn't you automatically know that they were philosophical intellectual hedonists with lashings of objectivism thrown in for the larf! and that Satan despite his numerous appearances here is just symbol for rebellion and something used merely to piss off the catholic church, it doesn't mean Satan Satan, it means Satan Satan Satan Satan.
Jeez...the ignorance.













*zillahs gonna kill me isn't he

Bottle_of_Smoke

1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
3. When in another’s home, show them respect or else do not go there.
4. If a guest in your home annoys you, treat them cruelly and without mercy.
5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.
6. Do not take that which does not belong to you, unless it is a burden to the other person and they cry out to be relieved.
7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
9. Do not harm young children.
10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask them to stop. If they do not stop, destroy them.

Love the wording of the last one.

Dougla2

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

Love the wording of the last one.

it doesn't actually mean destroy them , you probably know that

PDN

Dougla2 wrote: »

it doesn't actually mean destroy them , you probably know that

Ah, it's a metaphor then?

Dougla2

PDN wrote: »

Ah, it's a metaphor then?

i think its means verbally destroy them i guess, i dunno

liah

Eh. From what I've read of it I don't really see the point.

All it is is basically a religion of selfishness and teen-angst style rebellion; I'm not particularly fond of anything it represents, but to each their own. Just comes across as a bit "rebel without a cause" or Holden Caufield; rebellion simply for the sake of it, not caring for others, etc. Seems like the kind of thing you grow out of once you reach a certain age.

I don't see the point of subscribing to a non-religion. Sure, you can be all those things anyway, why on earth label yourself it at all, especially if you don't even follow all of it? Doesn't make a lot of sense.

Guess it stems from a need to belong to something or fit into something, but if the whole stance of it is to be your own god and be individual it seems to kind of defeat its own purpose.

magicbastarder

Dougla2 wrote: »

it doesn't actually mean destroy them

maybe it should not have said 'destroy them', so.
i'd have a bit of trouble interpreting the statements if they do not mean what they say. is it a test of some sort?

Rev Hellfire

Dougla2 wrote: »

i think its means verbally destroy them i guess, i dunno

Where's the fun in that ?

Sounds more like:
11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask them to stop. If they do not stop, say please.

Zillah

liah wrote: »

Just comes across as a bit "rebel without a cause" or Holden Caufield; rebellion simply for the sake of it, not caring for others, etc. Seems like the kind of thing you grow out of once you reach a certain age.

OR, it provides a rewarding framework that seems to resonate with something deep within a person, something they've felt all along but have never articulated before.


Or that condescending dismissive thing you went with, that's good too I suppose.

liah

Zillah wrote: »

OR, it provides a rewarding framework that seems to resonate with something deep within a person, something they've felt all along but have never articulated before.


Or that condescending dismissive thing you went with, that's good too I suppose.

All I was stating was my opinion, that to me it seemed that way. Don't see how that's condescending or dismissive, it's simply an opinion that differs to yours.

What's so rewarding about it?