How many of you guys would call yourself a satanist

Dougla2

just though id ask, I wish there was a Satanism forum but there is not so how many of you guys are Satanist or would identify with some believes of Satanism not theistic of course :pac:

Daftendirekt

Probably not many.

Although I have done some half-baked online research into the topic before, and it seems harmless enough. It's almost like a very tongue-in-cheek parody religion.

Dougla2

well im talking la veyan Satanism basicly an "atheistic religion"

stevejazzx

I was surprised to find that quite a few guys on here were into Levey Satanism before. Not my cup of tea at all...the dark lord and all that jazz kinda missed me by when I was young - like an obscure Finnish rock back he was.

Darlughda

No. Satanism is a religion. Its the worship obey a deity stuff.

Dougla2

well they dont actually believe in satan. you know that right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaVeyan_Satanism
i dont believe in the magic stuff thats just a joke imo

Darlughda

Fair enough, I am not very au fait with the ins and out of satanism.

As far as I understood, it was 'do as you will' kind of creed unlike the wiccan crede of 'do as you will as long at its harms none', and there was actual worship of deities in the form of Lucifer and stuff going on.

But hey. What do I know? Please enlighten me

Just the fella you want to bring home to Mammy

stevejazzx

Dougla2 wrote: »

well they dont actually believe in satan. you know that right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaVeyan_Satanism
i dont believe in the magic stuff thats just a joke imo

Oh no..I got a lecture on this before...I know it's a lifestyle thingy etc. etc. not into it. Zillah is I believe...he'll fix you up.

Dougla2

well im kinda my own brand of wicca ,atheism and Satanism i believe do what you want unless it harms someone or something, i put satanism in the same vain as some "brands" of Buddhism

robindch

Dougla2 wrote: »

how many of you guys are Satanist

Satan.

Lemme think.

Isn't he that reddish guy with the horns and fork and smoking shoes that causes all the woe in the world?

If so, then you're in the wrong forum -- I think they've more time for him here.

Dougla2

robindch wrote: »

Satan.

Lemme think.

Isn't he that reddish guy with the horns and fork and smoking shoes that causes all the woe in the world?

If so, then you're in the wrong forum -- I think they've more time for him here.

read some of the posts in between the op and now..... anyways i got banned from Christianity for mentioning satanism

Ghost Buster

Dougla2 wrote: »

well im kinda my own brand of wicca ,atheism and Satanism i believe do what you want unless it harms someone or something, i put satanism in the same vain as some "brands" of Buddhism

Ok. Honest answer. How many black tee shirts do you own and have you ever thought.."hmmmm. I could use a wee bit more black eye liner"

mikhail

Dougla2 wrote: »

read some of the posts in between the op and now..... anyways i got banned from Christianity for mentioning satanism

Ha!

Dades

Dougla2 wrote: »

anyways i got banned from Christianity for mentioning satanism

Ahem. Shush.

Dougla2

Ghost Buster wrote: »

Ok. Honest answer. How many black tee shirts do you own and have you ever thought.."hmmmm. I could use a wee bit more black eye liner"

im a metal head yes , but its more of a im my own god basicly i like to piss off Christians by saying "im a satanist"

mikhail wrote: »

Ha!

i know right? im disputing it

Dades wrote: »

Ahem. Shush.

woops sorry , no more mention of it, but i was just trying to tell you why i cant post in there

Waking-Dreams

Dougla2 wrote: »

im a metal head yes , but its more of a im my own god basicly i like to piss off Christians by saying "im a satanist"

As someone who went through their adolescence listening almost exclusively to metal and has been well immersed in the subculture, there is/was a massive element of anti-religious and sometimes, pro-satan sentiment or whatever present -- from the overall image and aesthetic of Black Metal (the corpse paint & upside-down crosses) to your average run-of-the-mill bands who just limit it to discussing some topics in their lyrics.

Of course, looking back now, I can see it's just something that young people or teenagers happen to identify with, along with all the other forms of anti-conformity. To be honest, I find the whole Satanism stuff pretty damn cheesy. Bands like Akercocke, Deicide, et al. might write decent music, but what they write about is nothing more than poetic fiction which speaks to impressionable teenagers, who are looking to identify with something anti-mainstream.

As you mentioned, it also becomes something teenagers like to use as a 'shock value' on certain others. “I'm a Satanist; your Christian beliefs are inferior to mine!” etc etc. Just like with the people who identify as being part of the counterculture; Satanism is just another set of gestures that provides entertainment for the rebels.

To label oneself as a “Satanist”, is to me, a little superfluous. What particular values does Satanism espouse that aren't followed by plenty of people already? I personally see it as self-indulgent entertainment. Harmless stuff, I guess. We were all young once.

Dougla2

Black metal hasn't influenced me most black promotes paganism and theistic Satanism.
I don't tell anyone apart from people on the net "hey im a Satanist are you shocked?, yeah? well job well done then"

Zillah

stevejazzx wrote: »

Oh no..I got a lecture on this before...I know it's a lifestyle thingy etc. etc. not into it. Zillah is I believe...he'll fix you up.

I'm not a card carrying member, but yes I find their philosophy not entirely at odds with my own. I always thought there was a certain irony to joining an organisation founded upon individualism.

La Vey Satanism can be basically summarised as "Act however you like, just don't break the law." It is about pride, dignity, self-improvement and indulging that urge to be cruel to those who irritate you. There is a great deal of melodrama and showmanship to Satanism, but one must remember that they are very honest about that. They understand the psychological benefits of ritual and suspension of disbelief, they're just honest about their use of it, unlike theistic religions.

On occassion La Vey's writings can seem to be getting a little mystical, with reference to Satan as an extant primal force rather than a metaphor, or dark rituals having literal power. I've not read in sufficient detail to quite explain it, but I would image it is just an example of the afformentioned melodrama.

Yes I wear black pretty much all the time. I also have a fondness for long coats, but only because cloaks are no longer popular. Those classy ones with a metal clasp at the nape would be ideal. Alas for long dead fashions.

Zillah

Waking-Dreams wrote: »

To label oneself as a “Satanist”, is to me, a little superfluous. What particular values does Satanism espouse that aren't followed by plenty of people already? I personally see it as self-indulgent entertainment. Harmless stuff, I guess. We were all young once.

Young?



This is the current leader of The Church of Satan, Peter Gilmore. No it's not Orson Welles. La Vey Satanism is a pretty complex philosophical, moral and social system, an accurate grasp of which I would say is beyond the majority of teenagers. If you think we are talking about the juvenile theistic Satanism theatrically deployed by metal bands then I'm afraid the thread topic has gone a little over your head.

robindch wrote: »

Satan.

Lemme think.

Isn't he that reddish guy with the horns and fork and smoking shoes that causes all the woe in the world?

Nope, that's The Devil. La Vey Satanism argues that Satan is man's desire to assert his pride, will and independence, the antagonist of the repressive, cowardly and hypocritical faiths of the world. It transcends individual representations of it in the various religions. Satanism is far more appropriate here than in Christianity forum, as it is explicitly non-theistic.

Azure_sky

Philosophical Satanism does exist, it's called capitalism/ me feiners. :pac:
Anywho, it's a pretty redundant pseudo philosophy/religion. He just plagarised aload of stuff from Nietzsche and added some silly histrionic rituals.:rolleyes:
I am not a philosophical Satanist, mainly because if everyone adhered to its principles society would fall apart. The current state of this country is a prime example of this.

Dougla2

Dougla2 wrote: »

well im kinda my own brand of wicca ,atheism and Satanism i believe do what you want unless it harms someone or something, i put satanism in the same vain as some "brands" of Buddhism

You're "your own brand" of a secret oathbound religion, are you? Are you even old enough to be a wiccan?


sigh

Ghost Buster

Dougla2 wrote: »

im a metal head yes , but its more of a im my own god basicly i like to piss off Christians by saying "im a satanist"




Guessed as much. My wife is a Wiccan and yes we do have a mutual "Do not rant at each other" policy. At times I think shes nuts and she thinks Im a Vulcan . Shes quite well known in 'those circles' and has to spend much of her time fending off teenagers who want to latch onto her to piss off their parents. Wicca for all its nuttyness is a very solitary and gentle system/ belief/ what ever.

Waking-Dreams

Zillah wrote: »

Young?



This is the current leader of The Church of Satan, Peter Gilmore. No it's not Orson Welles. La Vey Satanism is a pretty complex philosophical, moral and social system, an accurate grasp of which I would say is beyond the majority of teenagers. If you think we are talking about the juvenile theistic Satanism theatrically deployed by metal bands then I'm afraid the thread topic has gone a little over your head.

Nope, not at all. Being a fan of the band Akercocke (who are all fully grown adult men and identify themselves as Satanists) I do understand it is considered a complex philosophy by its followers; a code to live by, and many probably resent the fact that it has been misrepresented by some particular metal bands with a penchant for the melodramatic and theatrical.

Be that as it may, I still see it as a redundant pseudo-philosophy; entertainment for the rebel culture who want to differentiate from mainstream beliefs, identity, etc. Nothing wrong with that, but like you said, ironic that followers would join an organisation based on individualism, and label themselves as such. Do Satanists meet up and compare notes from the The Satanic Bible?

But hey, to each their own. I’m not knocking it as an art form, because the lyrics and iconography (pentegrams, etc) are all great themes in an artistic sense, where metal is known for focussing on darker subjects. For the same reasons, I can look at religious themed art and appreciate it too; I just don't have to buy into the whole package.

Morbert

Dougla2 wrote: »

read some of the posts in between the op and now..... anyways i got banned from Christianity for mentioning satanism

You weren't banned for mentioning satanism.

I find Satanism of any kind to be completely naff.

sensibleken

LaVey satanism isnt a religion technically, but i do find it quite silly and selfish. Its not very original as it plagarises Crowley quite heavily with the 'do what though wilt' stuf' and the definition of magic being just 'doing stuff'. but it verges into the dumb when it gets to ritual magic.

It seems he took individualist and existentialist philosohpies and called it satanism just to attract attention. like catholicism its all style and no substance

Dougla2

bluewolf wrote: »

You're "your own brand" of a secret oathbound religion, are you? Are you even old enough to be a wiccan?


sigh

Ghost Buster wrote: »

Dougla2 wrote: »

im a metal head yes , but its more of a im my own god basicly i like to piss off Christians by saying "im a satanist"


thank zillah informative

Guessed as much. My wife is a Wiccan and yes we do have a mutual "Do not rant at each other" policy. At times I think shes nuts and she thinks Im a Vulcan . Shes quite well known in 'those circles' and has to spend much of her time fending off teenagers who want to latch onto her to piss off their parents. Wicca for all its nuttyness is a very solitary and gentle system/ belief/ what ever.

i dont believe in any god or godesses or supernatural i just follow wicca and satanism as a type of lifestyle thing i dont take anything literaly in either religion , for the most part im atheist with beliefs of other religions splashed throughout

Morbert

Morbert wrote: »

You weren't banned for mentioning satanism.

Indeed it's obvious enough he was banned for "bible has been basis for 3 religions doesn't mean its right or valid, it still has no evidence whatsoever"

i just follow wicca and satanism as a type of lifestyle thing

:rolleyes:

Dougla2

bluewolf wrote: »

Indeed it's obvious enough he was banned for "bible has been basis for 3 religions doesn't mean its right or valid, it still has no evidence whatsoever"



:rolleyes:

the mod told me I was banned for the single word Satanism.

um whats wrong with following other religions teachings without following their god?

Dades

Yes, I know Morbert started it up again but drop the moderation talk from over yonder, people.

Dougla2

Dades wrote: »

Yes, I know Morbert started it up again but drop the moderation talk from over yonder, people.

sorry dades ill be a good boy

sink

Not my bag baby.

Not meaning to offend anyone but dressing up in black with make-up looks silly in my eyes. Don't get me wrong, I would never judge the whole person by the way they dress. I just try to put it to one side and talk to the person behind the trench-coat and eye shadow.

Dougla2

sink wrote: »

Not my bag baby.

Not meaning to offend anyone but dressing up in black with make-up looks silly in my eyes. Don't get me wrong, I would never judge the whole person by the way they dress. I just try to put it to one side and talk to the person behind the trench-coat and eye shadow.

I dont wear a trench coat and make up i wear jeans and t shirts and no make up

Dades

I don't think we need to judge anyone on their lifestyle choices, tbh.

It would be one thing if people were dressing up in black, chanting and having rituals, and wearing a white collar (:p), but as long as people don't actually believe in the mumbo jumbo, then how much difference is it to nightclub mating rituals or sporting a business suit with coloured neck flap?

Hell, one of my lifetime "must dos" is to dress up and go to a Lebowskifest.

sensibleken

I think some people are confusing satanists with goths.

famous goth:


famous satanist:

MoronsCensor

LaVeyan Satanism, often referred to simply as Satanism among most adherents, was founded in 1966 by Anton LaVey. Its teachings are based on individualism, self-control, and "eye for an eye" morality, drawing influences from the rituals and ceremonies of occultist Aleister Crowley, and the philosophies of Friedrich Nietzsche and Ayn Rand.

Man anything that involves Ayn Rand can't be good.

strobe

MoronsCensor wrote: »

Man anything that involves Ayn Rand can't be good.

MoronsCensor

MoronsCensor wrote: »

Man anything that involves Ayn Rand can't be good.

I'm curious to read ayn rand
I ordered a book on amazon once but it was the one time they couldnt deliver it

I think it may have been a sign

Dades

All I'll say is - Ayn Rand - don't go there in this forum. :pac:

Dougla2

OK guys just to clear up what im talking about

" Central is the idea that an individual must enforce their own meaning on life and rise above the perceived conformity of the masses. The Satanist is seen as equivalent to Friedrich Nietzsche's Übermensch; LaVey claimed "Satanists are born, not made" and that "[Satanists] have a disease called independence that needs to be recognized just like alcoholism." There are progressive and libertarian elements here; diversity is encouraged, everyone is expected to discover his own sexuality, chart his own personality, and decide their own ambitions in life. In this stress on individuality,

for me its basicly indulging in the 7 deadly sins as much as you want freedom of your own sexuality instead of being told its unnatural or wrong or whatever, not forgiving the unforgivable etc.


The Nine Satanic Statements

1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence
2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams
3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit
4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it, instead of love wasted on ingrates
5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek
6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires
7. Satan represents man as just another animal (sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all fours), who, because of his “spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all.
8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification
9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years[16]


probably should of put this in the first post

PeterIanStaker

I useta be in to the oul' satanism a while back, the mother used to give out yards to me all the time for leaving severed goats' heads and sacrificed virgins on the coffee table, so I stopped in the end. Every time I go home she still nags me about the huge Pentagram I drew on the living room floor -I mean ffs, I'll paint over it when I have the time. :rolleyes: I'm telling you, sometimes she's like the antichrist.

Zombrex

Dougla2 wrote: »

1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence
2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams
3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit
4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it, instead of love wasted on ingrates
5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek
6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires
7. Satan represents man as just another animal (sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all fours), who, because of his “spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all.
8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification
9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years

I'm not really following any of this. Can you explain what makes any of this "Satanist"?

I mean could you not just substitute any character in there.

1. Donald Duck represents indulgence instead of abstinence
2. Donald Duck represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams
3. Donald Duck represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit
4. Donald Duck represents kindness to those who deserve it, instead of love wasted on ingrates
5. Donald Duck represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek
6. Donald Duck represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires
7. Donald Duck represents man as just another animal (sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all fours), who, because of his “spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all.
8. Donald Duck represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification
9. Donald Duck has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years

If you are not following the Judo/Christian notion of who or what Satan is then what is the point of calling this Satanist?

Dougla2

Wicknight wrote: »

I'm not really following any of this. Can you explain what makes any of this "Satanist"?

I mean could you not just substitute any character in there.

1. Donald Duck represents indulgence instead of abstinence
2. Donald Duck represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams
3. Donald Duck represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit
4. Donald Duck represents kindness to those who deserve it, instead of love wasted on ingrates
5. Donald Duck represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek
6. Donald Duck represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires
7. Donald Duck represents man as just another animal (sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all fours), who, because of his “spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all.
8. Donald Duck represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification
9. Donald Duck has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years

If you are not following the Judo/Christian notion of who or what Satan is then what is the point of calling this Satanist?

um its just a name, why does it matter it could be called hadesism or setism or whatever its not literal.

Zombrex

Dougla2 wrote: »

um its just a name, why does it matter it could be called hadesism or setism or whatever its not literal.

That was my point. Why call it Satanism when it has nothing to do with Satan and particularly when that is already taken as a group of people who worship the Biblical version of Satan.

I'm starting a new atheist group, I'm going to call us Christians :pac:

Dougla2

Wicknight wrote: »

That was my point. Why call it Satanism when it has nothing to do with Satan and particularly when that is already taken as a group of people who worship the Biblical version of Satan.

I'm starting a new atheist group, I'm going to call us Christians :pac:

I didn't name it brah, i just follow some tenants .

ima make me some mac an cheese nomom

Zillah

Wicknight wrote: »

I'm not really following any of this. Can you explain what makes any of this "Satanist"?

I mean could you not just substitute any character in there.

1. Donald Duck represents indulgence instead of abstinence
2. Donald Duck represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams
3. Donald Duck represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit
4. Donald Duck represents kindness to those who deserve it, instead of love wasted on ingrates
5. Donald Duck represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek
6. Donald Duck represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires
7. Donald Duck represents man as just another animal (sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all fours), who, because of his “spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all.
8. Donald Duck represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification
9. Donald Duck has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years

If you are not following the Judo/Christian notion of who or what Satan is then what is the point of calling this Satanist?

Well you'd get all of these answers if you tried reading the book first. Just sayin'

The Church of Satan maintains that Satan represents mankind's inner desire to see his will done, his pride and his independence. They also say that these qualities often manifest as the antagonist of world religions because those religions seek to oppress and cow mankind. Satan is but one manifestation of this, but it is a very common one, and considering that Satanism exists within a Christian society it makes sense to choose the most relevant manifestation, no?

As for Donald Duck...well if you associate Donald Duck with vengeance, indulgence and undefiled wisdom then I don't want to know anything else about your childhood. Yes there are lots of things you could swap Satan with, but they have to choose one and they chose this one.

Now go read the book.

Daftendirekt

PeterIanStaker wrote: »

I useta be in to the oul' satanism a while back, the mother used to give out yards to me all the time for leaving severed goats' heads and sacrificed virgins on the coffee table, so I stopped in the end. Every time I go home she still nags me about the huge Pentagram I drew on the living room floor -I mean ffs, I'll paint over it when I have the time. :rolleyes: I'm telling you, sometimes she's like the antichrist.

Ain't that always the way.

Dougla2

sigh
you guys haven't read anything apart from the first post

Dades

In a way, your question has been answered.

There ain't too many who would call themselves Satanists (or even understand it).

Ush1

I was sorta interested in santanism years and years before I found out really about atheism. The guy I was listening to on the radio was refering to original meaning of the word satan in Arabic which is adversary, in that Satanism was the adversary of theistic religions. He was talking about satanic marriage and stuff.

Dougla2

Dougla2 wrote: »

I didn't name it brah, i just follow some tenants .

Tenants? What tenants? Watch out they don't get a restraining order for you following them :eek:

stevejazzx

bluewolf wrote: »

Tenants? What tenants? Watch out they don't get a restraining order for you following them :eek:

larger than what...?;)